$250 might be pushing it... I really didn't think I'd be saying that even a week ago...
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That's no benefit for consumers though. We'd literally getting the worst combination possible.
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$250 might be pushing it... I really didn't think I'd be saying that even a week ago...
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That's no benefit for consumers though. We'd literally getting the worst combination possible.
Why do you assume Nintendo cares about it running 2017 to 2020 third party games?
The low end here is a system that runs on-par with the Wii U in handheld mode and gets upped to a native 1080p when docked. The Wii U allows for pretty much spot on recreation of Nintendo's artistic vision into interactive game form, so why do they need way more power than that?
If the choice was between a $400.00 hybrid that runs like an XB1 in handheld mode and a PS4 when docked or a $250.00 hybrid that runs like a Wii U in handheld mode and a Wii U Pro (where everything is 1080p instead of attempting 4K) sign me up for saving $150.00 I can spend on more games, thanks.
That's my only concern with the Switch. I have a Wii U. I'm not upgrading to play Breath of the Wild in 1080p instead of 720p or for one new Mario game. Everything else of interest so far is a Wii U port, will be out on PS4 first, etc.. It's all about the games, as it has always been for Nintendo.
I'll say this though. A full in-series Pokemon game that looks like Pokken Tournament on a portable system is going to sell systems.
Iwata specifically mentioned this was one of the reasons why Wii U failed. That and its confusing marketing.
While 20nm that the X1 normally is is rather uncommon which would cost more, 16nm is fairly prevalent now which shouldn't cost that much. I can't imagine the costs of a 28nm vs 16nm is low enough to offset the other costs of a fan and whatever increases in device size and weight that will incur resulting in increased shipping/packaging costs.
Plus other stuff like being less efficient in heat/battery which is not characteristic of Nintendo, along with introducing moving parts that make their system much more vulnerable to failure. That would be such a backwards move, even for Nintendo, as it would pretty much go against the core concepts that generally cause them to make the moves people often balk at.
Nintendo are cheap, but they are cheap for practical reasons most times beyond just saving a penny or two.
Guardian Monkey
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lol for a lose? 😀Yes maybe. Edit you're right they did sell the Wiiu for the loss.
Rogue Agent
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I would really love cheap upgrades like this.
Xdrive05
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Nah. It's a brand new "home console" with a new gimmick that will likely be popular, and will do great with the Fallon crowd. And there's a lot of tech in there besides the chipset.
It's $299/$349 all day long, and nothing about 28nm or lower clocks is going to change that. Also, Nintendo. Shit, they could get ballsy and try for a higher price, and it'd probably still sell out. Don't get your hopes up.
A bad article. He made very weird opservations and missed many facts, like the Switch having a touchpad.
The worst part, he misses the point of the Switch being a toy. Like all gaming-consoles. If you have a fun gimmick, people still will play with something, since it is fun. Being different helps in their regard.
PdotMichael
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Why do people claim that all the time, although that's plain wrong?
Toadthemushroom
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Yup, Nintendo isn't aiming for stuff like Witcher 4 or whatever.
People familiar with Nintendo's plans (via MCV) state that Nintendo is looking to "upgrade" smartphone gamers, and it's a device that sits in between the mobile market and the big budget console market.
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Still, I do think a device like this will mostly thrive by either its exclusive games like 3DS and handhelds before it, or the overall quality of its games library. And the market has changed considerably since 3DS was introduced in 2010 with a huge amount of bespoke exclusive handheld support put behind it. It's going to be harder for publishers to justify exclusive games for Switch alone when the hardware itself not only 1) is a much more unproven quantity compared with 3DS and 2) Switch's hardware is conforming like Wii U and Vita, not bespoke like 3DS or DS.
Guardian Monkey
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Also isn't this supposed to be incremental? So like fall 2018 you would get switch plus or whatever. 2020 you would have switched 2 etc.
250$ is the most realistic bet.
I believe Schnozberry said what I was trying to get across a little better. The messaging has been bad because 90% of it has been dictated by leaks. Their initial marketing looks great but thats for a wide audience, the core audience is getting leaks and that shoukd have been better controlled. It really isn't hard to placate the "core gamer" audience like this board. Give them the news good or bad they want and then walk away because it will have minimal impact on your sales in the long run.
It does nip the leaks in the bud and gets any bad news out of the way early so that you can focus on your marketing strategy. These leaks lead to all kinds of misinformation or poor information that can lead to potential issues.
I think Kimishima-san specifically said they won't sell Switch at a loss.
I think $299 is entirely possible but $50 mode than that seems like it's pushing it after what happened with Wii U and for those who will see or want this primarily as a HH.
Guardian Monkey
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Because it's been true only once and I corrected before this was posted?
TLZ
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Didn't see it. But seriously just because he's upset about these specs doesn't give him the right to act childishly insulting repeatedly telling people to shut up and posting "ignore". If you're that upset over a gaming system and can't "chat" then stay away from forums until you're ready. Silly, childish behavior.
It would be weird if the new model no follows scability and portability. Different versions from Switch is very likely to happen, but what will be interesting will be new Switchs that can play any former game from previous iterations. I like the implication on this.
Many people don't need a powerful GPU in their computer. If you were buying a computer strictly for high-end graphics gaming, then yeah I would say buying a laptop isn't a good idea.Franz Brötchen;226902253 said:
And are you being sarcastic or are you this oblivious to the shrinking handheld gaming market? People buy smartphones and tablets for portable electronics now, not gaming handheld devices.
The burden this would put in the shoulder of developers, the market segmentation this would create... I don't see this happening.
Guardian Monkey
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It would make sense how come the my Nintendo programs going into effect.
Latest romours were 5 to8 hour battery life, which is a lot easier to believe if the specs are what we think.
Jose92
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Cheaper to manufacture due to that the equipment for the process are readily available, hence higher profit margins for nvidia and cheaper price for Nintendo.
Beerman462
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I will...2017...Holiday sales
With the ancient slow hardware making up the Switch it needs to be $199. Nintendo might find a market at that price. Even at $250 I think it would be too expensive. These internals are going to kill third parties abilities to port to this machine, so one year of third party games like usual on a Nintendo home console.
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It is unfortunately. It better have a pack in game for that price though. It will probably be Splatoon that I don't really care about (unless they really add a ton with new modes etc.) as I played plenty of that game--but that would be a good seller to people who didn't get a Wii U, only had a 3DS etc.
That rumour was from some who said it was going to be Pascal. Nate isn't exactly looking reliable right now, no offence to him.
Right but for consumers it's still crap.
Toadthemushroom
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I think it's good, the whole point of the piece is to show that there's still a market for systems which do things differently, the Switch is using the best of mobile tech (er, outside of Apple's own ARM CPU designs) and doing something different with it. Which is exactly what Iwata was saying was possible back in 2013: he mentioned how handhelds and consoles would be "brothers" because the architecture now exists that both systems don't need to have wildly differing specs.
The point I quoted about how Switch can be too cheap rings true as well we're talking about saving anything from a few pennies/cents to twenty dollars or pounds per unit. I think most customers - if they knew and could see the differences - may opt for a less compromised device in terms of the Nvidia SoC (if it's the worst case scenario as some have feared).
Kssio_Aug
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Besides my avatar I don't consider myself a diehard Nintendo fan. Currently I own PS4 and XB1, and never acquired a Wii U. Still, I'm totally interested in it, as long as they price it accordingly (wich is 200~250).
This article would actually lead credence to what Nate said, it has (as they believe) absorbed Pascal changes to its custom chip. Its just not an outright 16nm fab, but a Maxwell with Pascal tweaks... making it a big Pascal.
Guardian Monkey
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But nobody buys Nintendo consoles for third-party games anyhow. Also though this is a portable like device too so expect things to be viewed a little bit differently than in the past.
Is the Switch : Scorpio disparity the same difference in graphical power between Wii U : PS4 OG when the Wii U launched? By which I mean, is the weakest home console to the strongest that big a gulf?
If Nintendo can release a cheap home console with a clean aesthetic, I don't mind having a 720p XBox One OG portably and a 1080p XBox One OG docked.
Where I start to mind is rebuying my Wii U library.
If Nintendo can release a cheap home console with a clean aesthetic, I don't mind having a 720p XBox One OG portably and a 1080p XBox One OG docked.
Where I start to mind is rebuying my Wii U library.
grim-tales
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Is this going to end up being a handheld with a TV mode on it? If its "just a handheld" that contradicts everything Nintendo have said.
That's not at all confirmed or even what he/his sources implied. They were surprised it was Maxwell in the final Dev kit.
OrbitalBeard
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I don't think $250 is too expensive, but $199 would be glorious. I've been Team $199 all throughout this thread.
Jose92
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This is business, and no company wants to revert to the old model of selling consoles for a loss.
Yea it's just a relatively powerful handheld with a TV mode for displaying games in 1080p that's the best way to look at it. And the only way to look at it without being dissapointed.
Toadthemushroom
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I don't think that's true of 3DS, but Wii U definitely.
Worldwide, 3DS wouldn't have survived its mismanaged launch window if people didn't know an exclusive Resident Evil, Ridge Racer, Layton, Layton Vs AA, Time Travellers, Ace Combat, E.X. Troopers, Monster Hunter, Dead or Alive, etc, were on the way, as Nintendo's plan for that system was to let third parties carry it primarily. But moving 3DS's launch forwards meant the best third party content wasn't even ready yet...
In Japan, 3DS's strongest market, 3DS is definitely not carried by Nintendo software alone.
Skittzo0413
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You do realize this is still far newer than anything in the PS4/XB1, despite being clocked insanely low? There is absolutely nothing ancient about Maxwell or Tegra X1.
lyrick
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It's going to be 249.
So? As a business you need to provide value to consumers. An underpowered tablet with chap battery life for $250 doesn't do that.
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You say this as if other processor nodes aren't also readily available.
The price has been leaked for a while we just need to translate it to what it usually comes out to in U.S dollars.
http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/11/report-uk-retailer-game-to-price-nintendo-switch-from-199-99/
So... you'll believe some things but not others? From the same article?
Even when docked it's going to be significantly less powerful than a XO.
It's definitely the games that will make the system, I mean, I wanted to buy an XO for Christmas and bought Killer Instinct and Rare Replay during Black Friday.
Then I took a second and realized it was the only two games I wanted for the system, thus not making it worth spending 300 quids on it. Yet the Xbox One HAS power.
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