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[abadguy]

10/10! Would lol again.

Soooooo much salt.

Can't we all just be happy that we all have a really beautiful, fun game to play?

Really, outside of being the Internet, why all the hatred and anger? You guys know that isn't good for you, right? It will just make you bitter and hardened.

I don't know about you but for me it's very hard to enjoy a game knowing someone who owns a weaker console can play the same game and it looks and runs pretty much the same as it does on my console!

I mean where's the fun if you can't go on forums and brag about having a slightly superior version of the same fucking game?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Is that a serious question? Why should company x maximise a consumers return on item y?

Looked at another way, do we criticize dev studios for designing games that we know for certain don't tax the full power of the PS4? What those guys/gals do is they just design and build a game that they feel conforms accurately with their overall project vision and then they release the game satisfied with the work they have done. Do we criticize them for not using every graphical trick in the book, or for not pushing the PS4 to its very limits? If not, then why do it in the case of Destiny, a game by the way that quite a few people felt was fairly well accomplished visually for a pretty long time, that is until they saw that the Xbox One version isn't somehow severely lacking by comparison.

Regardless of one's stance, it does come off a bit hypocritical and more than just a little bit petty.

 

[Deadpool_X]

I don't know about you but for me it's very hard to enjoy a game knowing someone who owns a weaker console can play the same game and it looks and runs pretty much the same as it does on my console!

I mean where's the fun if you can't go on forums and brag about having a slightly superior version of the same fucking game?

Touché, Good Sir. I'd forgotten that the reason to buy a system is to constantly put down those who purchased the other. Here I was, thinking it was for playing games and enjoying our wonderful hobby! What was I thinking?!?

 

[Cynn]

Did Bungie compensate for the X1 black crush?

 

[Hugstable]

Touché, Good Sir. I'd forgotten that the reason to buy a system is to constantly put down those who purchased the other. Here I was, thinking it was for playing games and enjoying our wonderful hobby! What was I thinking?!?

I'm pretty sure his post was a joke. Go enjoy your Destiny people!

 

[BruiserBear]

Lol they singled out the XBone? Its like they are trying to get the message out in the most direct way as soon as possible.

really?

I think part of it is the beta was 900p on the Xbox One and it was upped to 1080p for launch. Makes sense to me because with that increase there was always the chance performance could struggle.

Yeah, that makes sense. The PS4 version was already confirmed in the beta to be a solid 30fps and 1080p. The XB1 version is the one that had changes made between now and then.

Did Bungie compensate for the X1 black crush?

It appears they did. Definitely doesn't look problematic based on the screenshots.

 

[Chill Penguin]

I'm pretty sure his post was a joke. Go enjoy your Destiny people!

I'm pretty sure his was too.

 

[Deadpool_X]

I'm pretty sure his was too.

Spoiler

It totally was.

 

[Sàmban]

No we shouldn't. That stifles and deflects discussion. Making up some chart that is basically a gigantic strawman is not the way things work here.

No it isn't. Especially when it so accurately describes the mindset of the "concerned gamer."

There is NO discussion to be had here, at least when it comes to the heaping pile of bullshit known as "parity."

1. The PS4 is significantly more powerful than the Xbox One. We have ample evidence to support that. Plenty of games perform much better on PS4. What more evidence do you need?

2. Bungie designed a game that performs well on both consoles.

THAT'S IT. Bungie does not owe you "gaemrz" to make the PS4 version run at 1 billion Ps and super AAA just to stroke your egos and make you feel better about your purchase. THAT SHIT COSTS MONEY. How the hell is it that people criticize videogame developers for spending stupid amounts of money but then turn around and bitch in threads like this because Bungie made a fun game and called it a day? If you don't like it, don't buy the game.

Are we going to shit-talk Minecraft now because it runs at 1080p on both consoles? Is that "parity?" This parity nonsense needs to die. It never makes for any kind of productive discussion. It's always the same people complaining and making threads about not buying X game. Give it a rest, Jesus Christ.

 

[Handy Fake]

No it isn't. Especially when it so accurately describes the mindset of a "concerned gamer."

There is NO discussion to be had here.

1. The PS4 is significantly more powerful than the Xbox One. We have ample evidence to support that.

2. Bungie designed a game that performs well on both consoles.

THAT'S IT. Bungie does not owe you "gaemrz" anything. Bungie should not be expected to make the PS4 version run at 1 billion Ps and super AAA just to stroke your egos and make you feel better about your purchase. THAT SHIT COSTS MONEY. How the hell is it that people criticize videogame developers for spending stupid amounts of money but then turn around and bitch in threads like this because Bungie made a fun game and called it a day? If you don't like it, don't buy the game.

Are we going to shit-talk Minecraft now because it runs at 1080p on both consoles? Is that "parity?" This parity crap needs to die. It never makes for any kind of productive discussion. It's always the same people complaining and making threads about not buying X game. Give it a rest, Jesus Christ.

Erm... Because they expect us "gaemrz" to fork out £50 for their product, and £30 per expansion after it?

Because us "gaemrz" forked out £400 for a brand new console and would rather like those who expect us "gaemrz" to fork out £50 for their product to utilise it?

Not that they owe us "gaemrz" anything of course. I mean, they'd be fine without people buying their games, I suppose.


Just to clarify, I made my thoughts on this particular game clear earlier on - the general gist being that while there may be a reason for reaching a particular level of polish in such a game and then stopping, it doesn't make worries over "parity" any less valid.


I suppose my point being that your post is the fecal antithesis of hyperbolic parity conspiracy posts.

Essentially, your post is Darth Vadar's shit as opposed to Luke Skywalker's piss. The corn-studded, crenellated afterbirth of something that at some moment in time probably had a valid point to make.

 

[The Goat]

I could understand people being upset if the game ran better on XB1 or something, but having them run at parity is fine. This game is crossgen anyway, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect a dev to waste time adding features to one console over the other. This is a business, and as such, makes complete and utter sense.

Some of you guys are nuts, lol.

 

[JaggedSac]

Erm... Because they expect us "gaemrz" to fork out £50 for their product, and £30 per expansion after it?

Because us "gaemrz" forked out £400 for a brand new console and would rather like those who expect us "gaemrz" to fork out £50 for their product to utilise it?

Not that they owe us "gaemrz" anything of course. I mean, they'd be fine without people buying their games, I suppose.


Just to clarify, I made my thoughts on this particular game clear earlier on - the general gist being that while there may be a reason for reaching a particular level of polish in such a game and then stopping, it doesn't make worries over "parity" any less valid.


I suppose my point being that your post is the fecal antithesis of hyperbolic parity conspiracy posts.

Essentially, your post is Darth Vadar's shit as opposed to Luke Skywalker's piss. The corn-studded, crenellated afterbirth of something that at some moment in time probably had a valid point to make.

Only way they will learn from their insolence is if the PS4 version sales nose dive due to this parity. PS4 owners don't want to purchase, nay, shouldn't even be shown games that perform the same as some dingle-berry infested box like the Bone.

 

[Pathfinder]

With all the multiplatform games that perform better on PS4 thus far, you'd think some people here would be able to handle one game that appears to run the same on both consoles.

Is it just because it's Destiny and it's supposed to be PS4's game that some people are getting so upset?

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

No it isn't. Especially when it so accurately describes the mindset of the "concerned gamer."

There is NO discussion to be had here, at least when it comes to the heaping pile of bullshit known as "parity."

1. The PS4 is significantly more powerful than the Xbox One. We have ample evidence to support that. Plenty of games perform much better on PS4. What more evidence do you need?

2. Bungie designed a game that performs well on both consoles.

THAT'S IT. Bungie does not owe you "gaemrz" to make the PS4 version run at 1 billion Ps and super AAA just to stroke your egos and make you feel better about your purchase. THAT SHIT COSTS MONEY. How the hell is it that people criticize videogame developers for spending stupid amounts of money but then turn around and bitch in threads like this because Bungie made a fun game and called it a day? If you don't like it, don't buy the game.

Are we going to shit-talk Minecraft now because it runs at 1080p on both consoles? Is that "parity?" This parity nonsense needs to die. It never makes for any kind of productive discussion. It's always the same people complaining and making threads about not buying X game. Give it a rest, Jesus Christ.

That shit costs money... which Activision has bucketloads of and has already spent a ton on developing the game. Do you really expect me to believe that they don't have the time or resources to make better looking assets or to take advantage of more powerful hardware?

Why should parity be striven towards when there isn't technical performance parity between platforms? If Destiny ran identically on PC as it does on next gen consoles, would you and others even be defending this?

 

[Sàmban]

Erm... Because they expect us "gaemrz" to fork out £50 for their product, and £30 per expansion after it?

Because us "gaemrz" forked out £400 for a brand new console and would rather like those who expect us "gaemrz" to fork out £50 for their product to utilise it?

Not that they owe us "gaemrz" anything of course. I mean, they'd be fine without people buying their games, I suppose.


Just to clarify, I made my thoughts on this particular game clear earlier on - the general gist being that while there may be a reason for reaching a particular level of polish in such a game and then stopping, it doesn't make worries over "parity" any less valid.


I suppose my point being that your post is the fecal antithesis of hyperbolic parity conspiracy posts.

Essentially, your post is Darth Vadar's shit as opposed to Luke Skywalker's piss. The corn-studded, crenellated afterbirth of something that at some moment in time probably had a valid point to make.

What is this disgusting nonsense? Seriously, did you even think about what you were typing before you did it?

You bought a $400 console, and there are plenty of games on it that fully utilize its abilities. There are plenty of multiplatform games that run better on PS4. How do you differentiate between a developer purposefully gimping the PS4 version of a game vs a game just being too taxing for the Xbox One vs a game being just right for both? If you feel that a certain product does not live up to your standards, don't buy it. If the game truly is undeserving, the market will run its course. People thought the Xbox One was anti-consumer, and look at what happened. When it comes to Destiny (and most games honestly), there is no "parity."

A developer has his/her vision for a game, and it is their job to sell if to you and everyone else. If they fail, then they failed. That's it. No one in the videogame industry gives a flying fuck that you bought a PS4 or an Xbox One except MS and Sony. People have bills to pay and they also just happen to like making video games. No one cares enough to gimp the PS4 version just to make you mad. That's such an incredibly petty and childish viewpoint that I wonder how old some of you are. I just can't understand it..

Is it parity that Minecraft runs at the same resolution on both consoles? The mentality behind your shitpost is a cancer to the videogame industry that needs to eradicated. This notion of "OMG OMG ITS NOT 1 BILLION PS LEZ BOYCOTT HERP DERP" is so asinine I can't even begin to describe it. It's why developers waste millions focusing so much on shiny graphics rather than fun and ingenuity.

I mean look at this goddamn thread. People are bitching about "parity" because a game happens to be running well on two consoles. Serious-the-fuck-ly? I mean my god grow up people. What about it being fun? Functional? Rewarding to play? Stable? Full of replay value? You're really telling me that all of that is not worth $50 because you didn't get enough stupid Ps and AAs than the other console?

Please, spare me the pseudo-intellectual garbage.

EDIT:

And you do know that you have a choice right? You aren't being forced to buy the game and/or buy DLC. What is wrong with you people?

 

[killer rin]

Good job underutilizing the PS4, you mean?

Its opinions like this that causes the budgets in games to spiral out of control. You can't settle for an absolutely amazing game, it has to be an absolutely amazing game with 1080p and 60fps (and all this other stuff just to max out the hardware).

 

[ProjektXero]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Sàmban]

That shit costs money... which Activision has bucketloads of and has already spent a ton on developing the game. Do you really expect me to believe that they don't have the time or resources to make better looking assets or to take advantage of more powerful hardware?

Why should parity be striven towards when there isn't technical performance parity between platforms? If Destiny ran identically on PC as it does on next gen consoles, would you and others even be defending this?

What evidence do you have that parity is being striven towards? Start there and tell me.

If Destiny ran identically on PC as it did on next gen consoles, I wouldn't give a shit as long as the game was fun and enjoyable.

If there was a concerted effort by the majority of developers to strive towards parity, then I would absolutely give a shit.

THERE ISN'T.

 

[Chinpoko_Master]

What evidence do you have that parity is being striven towards? Start there and tell me.

If Destiny ran identically on PC as it did on next gen consoles, I wouldn't give a shit as long as the game was fun and enjoyable.

If there was a concerted effort by the majority of developers to strive towards parity, then I would absolutely give a shit.

THERE ISN'T.

What evidence? Um, Bungie has openly stated that they were aiming for parity between versions and they want people to have the same experience across all platforms.

And you saying that about a potential PC version says it all really.

 

[Paracelsus]

What evidence? Um, Bungie has openly stated that they were aiming for parity between versions and they want people to have the same experience across all platforms.

And you saying that about a potential PC version says it all really.

If the game runs exactly the same, they lied.

 

[alice_kiss_lara]

It's just a budge cut for the development of a multiplatform game

 

[David___]

If the game runs exactly the same, they lied.

Welp

 

[justsomeguy]

Only way they will learn from their insolence is if the PS4 version sales nose dive due to this parity. PS4 owners don't want to purchase, nay, shouldn't even be shown games that perform the same as some dingle-berry infested box like the Bone.

Joke post right?

 

[SapientWolf]

With all the multiplatform games that perform better on PS4 thus far, you'd think some people here would be able to handle one game that appears to run the same on both consoles.

Is it just because it's Destiny and it's supposed to be PS4's game that some people are getting so upset?

It would be easier to handle if they both ran at 60fps.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Let's be honest here, 'some people' don't care if the PS4 version is made better, they just want the Xbox version to be worse. That's where most of this noise comes from.

If the XB1 version had stayed at 900p we wouldn't be seeing this 'outcry', and PS4 owners would be more than happy with Destiny as it is. Even better if the XB1 version was 720p !!! That would make the PS4 version even more awesome !!!

Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a multiplat, crossgen title. What some people are asking for is completely unrealistic and frankly, idiotic.

 

[King Beyond the wall]

I'm amazed at what I'm reading here. Do you guys really think that a AAA game should leave 30-40% headroom unutilised? And that anyone who thinks each console should be pushed to their limits are babies and just want to one up over the other console? What about getting the best experience possible?

 

[Tycho_b]

Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a multiplat, crossgen title. .

So how is it that a machine with 'free' 40% juice performs relatively undemanding title the same as the other one, more difficult to code for ? Is it how game development works ?

 

[Mastperf]

It's hard to believe they couldn't find an easy to implement use for the extra gpu power and bandwidth on PS4. Maybe they did and we'll know exactly what in the head-to-head.

 

[dalin80]

I can understand how it could be irritating for people after spending hundreds of [insert your currency here] to buy the more powerful console just to find out your are now involved in a handicap system you never agreed to.

 

[Seanspeed]

What evidence? Um, Bungie has openly stated that they were aiming for parity between versions and they want people to have the same experience across all platforms.

And you saying that about a potential PC version says it all really.

I think his point is that he can deal with a game here or there that has parity between platforms, but isn't gonna get make a fuss unless it becomes a regular thing.

Which is quite reasonable, if you ask me.

I can understand how it could be irritating for people after spending hundreds of [insert your currency here] to buy the more powerful console just to find out your are now involved in a handicap system you never agreed to.

See, like this. Acting like this is now the industry standard or something.

Its not like the PS4 was *more* expensive than the XB1, either. People didn't spend extra money for the more powerful platform.

There is also no consumer guarantee that says every game you play will utilize your system's capabilities to the max. I have no idea where this crazy expectation has come from.

 

[Seanspeed]

whoops

 

[geordiemp]

Let's be honest here, 'some people' don't care if the PS4 version is made better, they just want the Xbox version to be worse. That's where most of this noise comes from.

Not always - I just wanted a good AAA coop 1080p60 shooter on console.

All there is at the moment is TLOU multiplayer and PVZ and obviously last COD ghosts which I had enough of.

I bought destiny but cancelled the Guardian edition, just got the standard, will play it but once more games come in November I will move on. Cant wait for COD AW....

Sorry, but Destiny that runs on last gen consoles and is 30 FPS and uses FXAA is putting zero effort into optimisation n PS4 in my opinion. Zero.

Technically POPCAP >>>> BUNGIE ? That's sad

 

[Tycho_b]

There is also no consumer guarantee that says every game you play will utilize your system's capabilities to the max. I have no idea where this crazy expectation has come from.

Sure, there's nothing like it. But from the looks of things, with help of MS engineers Bungie made very extraordinary effort to make sure that XB ONE version runs as good as possible while this is not the case with much more powerful PS4. It's an AAA game so paying the same for this version You might expect they put reasonable effort to make sure it runs as good as possible on the machine without going to extremes (which I am sure MS had to do to pull it off at 1080p)

 

[Riky]

Let's be honest here, 'some people' don't care if the PS4 version is made better, they just want the Xbox version to be worse. That's where most of this noise comes from.

If the XB1 version had stayed at 900p we wouldn't be seeing this 'outcry', and PS4 owners would be more than happy with Destiny as it is. Even better if the XB1 version was 720p !!! That would make the PS4 version even more awesome !!!

Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a multiplat, crossgen title. What some people are asking for is completely unrealistic and frankly, idiotic.

Pretty much, those outraged would have nothing to say if the Xbox One version was 900p, it's laughable really.

 

[soul creator]

The "let's treat console games the same as PC games running on different graphics cards" mindset that's come about this generation is fascinating to watch.

I understand why it's come about, since architecture-wise, the consoles are somewhat similar, but it's still weird to see. Developers probably just see the PS4/XB1 as basically the same thing, unlike how they're seemingly viewed on here. Maybe they'll throw in a little something extra on PS4 if they account for it in their budget/schedule, or if it comes just by default of the PS4 having devkits and tools ready much earlier (which is probably why Destiny was already at 1080p in the alpha), but it wouldn't surprise me if it's not a super high priority when making a multiplatform game (assuming the game is not horribly broken or choppy or something. Obviously, a developer would want to prevent that)

What's even more interesting is that in the case of Destiny, I read that it doesn't even use the touchpad for the menus. Is that true? That seems like that should be a more annoying example of "not taking advantage of my hardware" than some random extra graphical effect, lol. Those menus seem like they were made for mouse/touchpad controls

 

[regenhuber88]

Joke post right?

LOL yes. Has to be.
I think all the games look the same on both consoles anyway (from what I saw IRL on TV's)

 

[Seanspeed]

Sure, there's nothing like it. But from the looks of things, with help of MS engineers Bungie made very extraordinary effort to make sure that XB ONE version runs as good as possible while this is not the case with much more powerful PS4. It's an AAA game so paying the same for this version You might expect they put reasonable effort to make sure it runs as good as possible on the machine without going to extremes (which I am sure MS had to do to pull it off at 1080p)

They made an extra effort to get the XB1 running to where they wanted the next-gen version of Destiny to run. They weren't favouring the XB1, just trying achieve their goal with both games. Just took more work with the XB1.

Its a bit of an important distinction.

 

[King Beyond the wall]

Pretty much, those outraged would have nothing to say if the Xbox One version was 900p, it's laughable really.

In that case both consoles would not have been pushed to their limits, so that would have been bad for both Xbox and PS owners. As it stands however, it's just the PS owners buying a product which has not been optimised or maximised to the systems potential.

Just imagine if devs had forced all multiplatform games last gen to be equal to the worse performing version (ps3) for the sake of parity. That is what some of you are suggesting should happen this gen.

 

[El-Pistolero]

Let's be honest here, 'some people' don't care if the PS4 version is made better, they just want the Xbox version to be worse. That's where most of this noise comes from.

If the XB1 version had stayed at 900p we wouldn't be seeing this 'outcry', and PS4 owners would be more than happy with Destiny as it is. Even better if the XB1 version was 720p !!! That would make the PS4 version even more awesome !!!

Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a multiplat, crossgen title. What some people are asking for is completely unrealistic and frankly, idiotic.

 

[madmackem]

Starting to lose faith in df, they said in the pvz that the upgrade to 1080p for the ps4 was barely noticable, fast forward to destiny and they use the words crisp 1080p. That among many of the mistakes theyve been making are making them less and less relevant as a TECH article.

 

[Tycho_b]

They made an extra effort to get the XB1 running to where they wanted the next-gen version of Destiny to run. They weren't favouring the XB1, just trying achieve their goal with both games. Just took more work with the XB1.

Its a bit of an important distinction.

Not really - mere 2-3 months before (the launch) they were happy with Destiny running @900p .

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

So how is it that a machine with 'free' 40% juice performs relatively undemanding title the same as the other one, more difficult to code for ? Is it how game development works ?

Because games are usually made with a specific target in mind, for both graphics and performance. If that is reached then the job is done. They also usually have a specific timeframe upon which the game must be completed and shipped.

Are you suggesting that games should remain in development indefinitely, in a perpetual state of optimization and never actually get released?

 

[BouncyFrag]

Let's be honest here, 'some people' don't care if the PS4 version is made better, they just want the Xbox version to be worse. That's where most of this noise comes from.

If the XB1 version had stayed at 900p we wouldn't be seeing this 'outcry', and PS4 owners would be more than happy with Destiny as it is. Even better if the XB1 version was 720p !!! That would make the PS4 version even more awesome !!!

 

[Seanspeed]

Not really - mere 2-3 months before (the launch) they were happy with Destiny running @900p .

Where did they say they were 'happy' with that? Provide me a link. I remember them pretty clearly stating they were working to get both versions running similarly.

 

[SublimeAnarky]

If the game runs exactly the same, they lied.

I dont see this like that at all..

Urk basically said they were busting their balls to get Destiny in a shape that they would be proud of.. across consoles which have different strengths.

I see no reason why they shouldnt be proud of what they've achieved on a cross platform title. For all the moaning about pseudo-mmo, ghost-defend missions - never once has anyone said that the graphics looks crap. This remains a beautiful game, across consoles.

Basically as another poster said, its like we're only happy if there is a clear loser in these arguments. Kudos on a job well done Bungie.

 

[AbandonedTrolley]

It seems their design choice and vision for next gen was 1080p 30fps, they weren't going to hit this without the help of the new SDK and Microsoft engineers, this doesn't meant that the PS4 should have gotten better as it was already where Bungie wanted it to be, it was a case of getting the XB1 there too.

 

[p3tran]

hmmm

looks good for 40% weaker on paper




ps
I loved the flow chart, very well done

 

[ekim]

Did Bungie compensate for the X1 black crush?

Crushed blacks only appear when a game is not running at native 1080p afaik

 

[abadguy]

Let's be honest here, 'some people' don't care if the PS4 version is made better, they just want the Xbox version to be worse. That's where most of this noise comes from.

If the XB1 version had stayed at 900p we wouldn't be seeing this 'outcry', and PS4 owners would be more than happy with Destiny as it is. Even better if the XB1 version was 720p !!! That would make the PS4 version even more awesome !!!

Game development doesn't work that way, especially for a multiplat, crossgen title. What some people are asking for is completely unrealistic and frankly, idiotic.

Pretty much. Which is why it's hard to take the people complaining about this seriously at all. No matter how they attempt to justify their faux outrage that is all it comes down to. Internet pissing contest and of course console warz. You wouldn't even think this was a thread about the xbox version with all the mentions of the PS4 version but some shitty comparison thread. They probably can't even stand to launch the game now with the notion that the xbox version is just as good.

 

[derFeef]

Crushed blacks only appear when a game is not running at native 1080p afaik

Yup. If devs use the scaler it is getting crushed blacks. Crytek used a different method so no black crushs in Ryse for example.