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Brand new hardware, some old shitshow. Some of you need to realize that at the end of the day, it's just a console.
OT: Disappointing that we didn't get to see proper DF videos on games but w/e.
Scorpio is life/death
Brand new hardware, some old shitshow. Some of you need to realize that at the end of the day, it's just a console.
OT: Disappointing that we didn't get to see proper DF videos on games but w/e.
Umm, please go read my post where I clearly declared it as the most powerful console. My disdain with the dreadful coverage has everything to do with the laughable comparisons to a high end gaming PC and the perpetuation of untrue fantasies. The PS4 pro has absolutely nothing to do with this and initially I vocally advocated against the PS4 pro so yea.... you're misguided.Aaaaaaand....No. I get it. You are both upset that something can ever be said positive about a MS product. At the end of the day these are a solid set of specs for a mid gen update presented in a way that came off much better than the ps4 pro reveal. This doesn't make Sony a shit company. It means MS did a good job this particular time and they should have their day. Next up is actual software.
Mixed feelings on the spec reveal.
Though I had some hope they'd use Puma or Excavator, I didn't think Zen would make the cut, so Jaguar is not shocking. I am surprised the GPU is not Vega based, though. Do we know if the GPU has Vega features, a la the Pro GPU (FP16), or hardware support for sparse rendering? Much ado was made about the 2017 release being precisely what enabled upgrades beyond Pro in each of the CPU, GPU, and RAM, and Phil was quoted speaking directly to that. Nevertheless, they hit 6TF, which is ultimately what matters for the GPU.
Hardware support for DX12 in the CPU is intriguing, but it materializing into anything substantial across a wide selection of games is a claim best taken with a grain of salt until proven otherwise. To me, numbers like the 50% reduction in draw call workload seems pretty scenario specific, and every platform holder has been guilty at some point of touting custom features beyond practical application. We shall see.
The cooling system is an impressive surprise, as are the clocks enabled by it. I completely expected a fat (50+ CU) GPU with ~900 Mhz clocks. Very curious to see what kind of TDP and noise results.
16x AF and standardized downsampling are very welcome. Sony needs to figure out the latter; there's no reason games should omit the feature if they're not allocating horsepower somewhere else.
On another note, I hope the insider vetting that has characterized GAF for some time has not ended with Bish's departure, because a lot of Scorpio threads were plagued by some seriously stinky bullshit that weren't met with the necessary scrutiny. Lo and behold, faux insiders didn't have the bead on the inclusion of Zen or the CPU otherwise not being Jaguar, nor did MS substantially exceed 6TF (someone claimed 8 - lol!).
You literally JUST called Ledbetter "Microsoft's tool' lolWe are all civilly discussing the validity of the details reported. Your post, however, adds nothing to the discussion.
If this were any other poster, I would try to articulate my points and provide sufficient evidence to back up my claims but I won't bother. You're a well known advocate of the Xbox on this forum. You were banned several times in the lead up to the release of the xb1 and post release for your biased posts. I'm not going to even bother.
I wonder if we will get new article tomorrow. DF didnt even touch VR yet
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
Come on dude...you've been driving a dump truck full of salt for the past 4 years...can we stop?
So basically after all the speculation in he past year the CPU was Jaguar+ and the GPU was Polaris. I'm kinda disappointed honestly.
If you're happy to be bamboozled by FUD from Microsoft, that's your business. Don't expect everyone else to blindly accept their misrepresentations of the technology. Xbox is supposedly in a new era of respect under Phil Spencer, but this article is straight from the Mattrick era playbook of media manipulation and obfuscation.
Except for the fact that the information presented in his post is true but feel free to ignore factual information.
If this were any other poster, I would try to articulate my points and provide sufficient evidence to back up my claims but I won't bother. You're a well known advocate of the Xbox on this forum. You were banned several times in the lead up to the release of the xb1 and post release for your biased posts. I'm not going to even bother.
Yup, there is no special customization and no secret sauce. When it comes to companies making noteworthy hardware customizations in the console space, that usually comes from Sony as they are a hardware company.
In this thread, we already have people claiming that the Scorpio is more powerful than the gtx 1080, lol. It's been really embarrassing coverage from digital foundry. Let Microsoft advertise their products by themselves. What we don't need is df trying to pass a paid ad as fact. I can't till the die shots come out from chip works.
Already in another thread on this forum, the "ultra" claim has been debunked due to different lod levels between the PC version and the screenshot. The screenshot is at lod 1 like the regular xb1 while the PC operates at lod 0(higher). It's just the xbox version at 4k and there are also questions about the 16x af claims as well.
Look, the Scorpio looks to be a fantastic piece of kit for a mid gen upgrade but it's just an rx480 and an overclocked jaguar. It's not more powerful than a 1080 or 1070 and once third party games drop, it'll be clear for everyone to see.
All I've seen today is the same pr nonsense we've seen with other consoles. Fp16, huma, power of the cloud, dx12 patch, and now it's a special dx12 co processor which is just a regular command processor. It's just sad and annoying.
I wonder if we will get new article tomorrow. DF didnt even touch VR yet
I wonder if we will get new article tomorrow. DF didnt even touch VR yet
The screenshot in revealed is from Forza 6 running at 4k/60fps on regular X1 settings. There is no screenshot of the ultra setting or any claim that the screenshot revealed is ultra setting. What they did mention was that in ultra setting the game runs at almost 90% GPU and with the regular Xbox settings it's 60-70%.
So what are you talking about?
So much fucking salt. Mission Accomplished Microsoft. Mission fucking accomplished.
I was expecting Vega... Polaris is about to be outdated in like a month.The GPU has features that aren't seen in any gpu card yet. This is like the 360 where tech seen is deeply customized and most likely will be seen in the pc space in the future. Again what did you expect? 15TF?
I also have quite a bit of respect for DF's reporting and some of the posts on here about them are absurd.
The screenshot in revealed is from Forza 6 running at 4k/60fps on regular X1 settings. There is no screenshot of the ultra setting or any claim that the screenshot revealed is ultra setting. What they did mention was that in ultra setting the game runs at almost 90% GPU and with the regular Xbox settings it's 60-70%.
So what are you talking about?
I wonder if we will get new article tomorrow. DF didnt even touch VR yet
Its pretty crazy. When I read some of these salty comments I just check the post history. Some of these folks have been working overtime today to downplay the news. Xbox fans can't even have a day. Don't worry we still don't have any exclusives. lol
It's annoying when a few (overly?) optimistic performance comments in this thread are repeatably quoted when I think the vast majority of folks on here have reasonable expectations. The same goes for the actual specs MS delivered.
I also have quite a bit of respect for DF's reporting and some of the posts on here about them are absurd.
Why is everyone surprised by this? Something of this scale was bound to happen.
This is actually ironic, coming from you; considering your own posting history and documented bias.
I was expecting Vega... Polaris is about to be outdated in like a month.
And stop taking Microsofts buzzwords as something new. You think Microsoft is putting stuff in the GPU that nVidia hasn't already implemented?
Wrong
That screenshot was Forza 6 with DYNAMIC WEATHER added and 4k assets added (textures, reflection samples, cars)
Ultra setting was for Forza Apex with all the other features listed as well.
Forza Motorsport. 4K, 60fps, Xbox One quality settings with 4K assets.
If you're happy to be bamboozled by FUD from Microsoft, that's your business. Don't expect everyone else to blindly accept their misrepresentations of the technology. Xbox is supposedly in a new era of respect under Phil Spencer, but this article is straight from the Mattrick era playbook of media manipulation and obfuscation.
Equally annoying when the slightest bit of skepticism is met with accusations of being a salty console warrior. The last few pages have been rough.
Mattrick is the guy that will talk shit in front of your face. Phil is the guy that pretends he's your friend but talk shit about you behind your back. Who would you rather have?
So that means Scorpio will definitely not be able to use Oculus Rift. It doesn't have enough USB ports. If we go by the exploded render from Microsoft, it also seems to be missing the front USB of Xbox One S.Digital Foundry said:On the rear of the unit, the arrangement of ports is identical to Xbox One S, including the standard figure-eight power socket (as opposed to the much larger 'kettle' cable arrangement used on PS4 Pro). The thinking here is that those who've plumbed their Xbox One S into their AV set-up can swap over to Scorpio with next to no effort. Since port arrangement is based on Xbox One S, there's no return for the original Xbox One's Kinect port (a USB adapter is required) but the HDMI input is retained.
I read it, what you've stated above is the extent of their explanation of it.....The digital foundry article has a few paragraphs on this exact topic. It discusses the "extensive customization" and additional hardware to offset CPU demand and improve CPU performance over the CPU in those consoles.
Wrong
That screenshot was Forza 6 with DYNAMIC WEATHER added and 4k assets added (textures, reflection samples, cars)
Ultra setting was for Forza Apex with all the other features listed as well.
Dude, the screenshot literally says beneath it:
The screenshot in the reveal is from Forza 6 running at 4k/60fps on regular X1 settings. There is no screenshot of the ultra setting or any claim that the screenshot revealed is ultra setting. What they did mention was that in ultra setting the game runs at almost 90% GPU and with the regular Xbox settings it's 60-70%.
So what are you talking about?
I see people getting mad as hell only because Scorpio looks impressive and DF was impressed with it? Jesus.. lol.
Yup, there is no special customization and no secret sauce. When it comes to companies making noteworthy hardware customizations in the console space, that usually comes from Sony as they are a hardware company.
In this thread, we already have people claiming that the Scorpio is more powerful than the gtx 1080, lol. It's been really embarrassing coverage from digital foundry. Let Microsoft advertise their products by themselves. What we don't need is df trying to pass a paid ad as fact. I can't till the die shots come out from chip works.
Already in another thread on this forum, the "ultra" claim has been debunked due to different lod levels between the PC version and the screenshot. The screenshot is at lod 1 like the regular xb1 while the PC operates at lod 0(higher). It's just the xbox version at 4k and there are also questions about the 16x af claims as well.
Look, the Scorpio looks to be a fantastic piece of kit for a mid gen upgrade but it's just an rx480 and an overclocked jaguar. It's not more powerful than a 1080 or 1070 and once third party games drop, it'll be clear for everyone to see.
All I've seen today is the same pr nonsense we've seen with other consoles. Fp16, huma, power of the cloud, dx12 patch, and now it's a special dx12 co processor which is just a regular command processor. It's just sad and annoying.