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The internals look so damn attractive.
I imagine they did have a promotion of sort.Did GameStop or Best Buy have a trade in option from PS4 to PS4 Pro?
good thing I held off on a pro, maybe sony will make another iteration to match up with this. Either way, it's good for gamers. Curious to see what games will be taking advantage of this hardware this e3.
Can only imagine once the actual thing hits & we get the game comparison videos from DF. Oh boy.This thread is embarrassing man. Sort you shit out gaming side. For fucks sake.
All of his devices go for a premium price, so I'm expecting a minimum of $499 now.
Lol you were saying that the Scorpio would be able to run Horizon at 4k 60fps, turns out they seem to be not even targeting 4k 60fps for Forza: Horizon 3.Hey, Scorpio looks like it may deliver beyond my expectations. If those results DF saw hold, it's an absolute beast in every sense of the word.
I dont know about "expected by most". Most people were expecting Vega (which was the most reasonable expectation among the wishlist of Zen, Vega, HBM) and even that didnt come to pass. The performance is exactly in-line with what a 6TF GPU would give in a console environment.
DF has a reputation of doing sponsored content for a while now. I would trust TechReport, Anandtech or any other serious technical outlet rather than fluff words like "to the metal", "highly custom" etc. Remember these guys are the same people who spun the original Xbox One architecture as something that was bleeding edge - remember the cache engines, 204GB/s ESRAM, multiple articles on reduction of RAM usage etc. At this point, DF's rep is quite low in my book.
Interesting thank
Roughly same size as the S
CorrectionWell...your expectations were Vega with Navi and Zen, so no, it's not on that level.
But it is a nice and strong piece of kit.
I still don't think the end result will be much better than what pro can put out, extra power driving 4K has diminishing returns, but we'll see with time.
I still am, if you expect 4k60fps out of most games. Most are sceptical about that."Largely" - I didn't mean everything and everyone was spot on
And I'm pretty sure we've had months and months of debate here on GAF even covering whether or not Scorpio would be able to pull off native 4K at 60fps at all, and if it could there whetehr there'd be any room for further enchancements - there was someone here literally last night still lolling at the prospect
Having read the impressions throughput the day today, I don't think it's unfair to say people have been impressed with the apparent performance in the Forza demonstration, and indeed DF are too - if it exactly met your personal expectations, nice one
Lol you were saying that the Scorpio would be able to run Horizon at 4k 60fps, turns out they seem to be not even targeting 4k 60fps for Forza: Horizon 3.
Even DF was impressed with what they were able to accomplish with those parts. They (or anyone) didn't expect a GPU to be clocked so highly on a console (for heat reasons presumably). Some people were guessing Vega because they figured they'd use higher compute units but at a much lower clock speed.
Where are you getting that?
This is not true. Only games that are failing to meet their resolution and framerate targets will automatically benefit. All others will need to be patched.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-five-ways-your-existing-games-will-be-better
Improved texture filtering sounds interesting:
Where are you getting that?
Yes, this.DF video mentioned 4K/30fps for Horizons 3 I believe.
DF video mentioned 4K/30fps for Horizons 3 I believe.
Yes, this.
I still am, if you expect 4k60fps out of most games. Most are sceptical about that.
4k60fps will be far and between. The new Forza could for instance, or most sports games.
Well...your expectations were Vega and Zen, so no, it's not on that level.
But it is a nice and strong piece of kit.
My expectations were 980/980 ti range performance as a high mark. Today I'm hearing GTX 1070. Sure, it was an ideal situation with a very well optimized engine, but it's looking to beat my performance expectations if what I read today ends up proving true.
I expected Zen and Vega, but my performance expectations for that setup was 980/980 Ti in a console box. Scorpio appears to be better than that without the need for either. I'd say that's potentially great news.
Lol you were saying that the Scorpio would be able to run Horizon at 4k 60fps, turns out they seem to be not even targeting 4k 60fps for Forza: Horizon 3.
Because of this i am hoping price wont go above $450
The Rumored Neo GPU has the same CU count as this RX480 5.5TF AMD GPU but clocked lower
Neo: 36CU at 911MHz
2304 * 911MHz * 2 = ~4.2TF
Rx480: 36CU at over 1GHz
2304* 1200MHz*2 = ~5.5TF
A theoretical Scorpio would be
2304* 1300MHz * 2 = ~6TF or they could opt for more CUs/sp at lower clock.
That is if my calculations are right. They have to take into account power consumption which is rated to be around 150W for RX480. PS4 idle is rated to be about 90W on menu and about 130W during gaming.
I think expecting more like 980 performance is a smart thing to stick with. Though no doubt MS did a very good job getting the clock speed they did.My expectations were 980/980 ti range performance as a high mark. Today I'm hearing GTX 1070. Sure, it was an ideal situation with a very well optimized engine, but it's looking to beat my performance expectations if what I read today ends up proving true.
I expected Zen and Vega, but my performance expectations for that setup was 980/980 Ti in a console box. Scorpio appears to be better than that without the need for either. I'd say that's potentially great news.
Why would they? No point. Not every game is meant to be 60fps.
DF video mentioned 4K/30fps for Horizons 3 I believe.
This is true. I need 60fps when playing Forza 6, but when its an open world racer like Forza Horizon it would be like 'eww, this 60fps seems excessive.'Why would they? No point. Not every game is meant to be 60fps.
Way bigger.So Scorpio is about as much of an upgrade as the Wii was on the Gamecube?
So Scorpio is about as much of an upgrade as the Wii was on the Gamecube?
Scorpio is about 40% more powerful than PS4 Pro and 5 times more powerful than Xbox One, so no.So Scorpio is about as much of an upgrade as the Wii was on the Gamecube?
This is true. I need 60fps when playing Forza 6, but when its an open world racer like Forza Horizon it would be like 'eww, this 60fps seems excessive.'
Why would they? No point. Not every game is meant to be 60fps.
...they could atleast give us an option?
I hope 1080/60 is in though as I would love to play a Horizon game in 60fps.
As a consumer and potential buyer of the Xbox Scorpio, I want to know specifically about what Rockstar's plans are regarding Red Dead Redemption 2 for both consoles.
What's the definitive platform to play it on - as far as image quality, graphics, textures, level of detail, resolution and framerate - is it PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio??
I'm not going to make an investment in one or the other and then realize that I made the wrong choice without an informed decision based on technical specifications and what I can expect from the final product.
Surely I can't be alone on this...
Visuals and performance will be better on Scorpio.As a consumer and potential buyer of the Xbox Scorpio, I want to know specifically about what Rockstar's plans are regarding Red Dead Redemption 2 for both consoles.
What's the definitive platform to play it on - as far as image quality, graphics, texture quality, level of detail, assets, view distance, resolution and framerate - is it PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio??
I'm not going to make an investment in one or the other and then realize that I made the wrong choice without an informed decision based on technical specifications and what I can expect from the final product.
Surely I can't be alone on this...
I'm usually on spot when it comes to predicting prices on consoles. I can't seem to figure this one out, lol. I have a safe bet on one price, but then then I have another one for which Microsoft really wants to probably target.
I'm expecting it to be 4K/30 1800p checkerboarded on PS4 Pro and somewhere around 4K/30 native on Xbox Scorpio. That power differential is going to get gobbled up fast if Scorpio truly wants to position itself as a native 4K console.
The DF face-off pre-launch will show us whether the extra visual clarity is substantial or not. I'm guessing it won't be a huge difference either way.
So Scorpio is about as much of an upgrade as the Wii was on the Gamecube?