This will force Sony to do the same. In fact, Scorpio is so good it will make the pro better. This is a fatnastic situation.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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MosquitoSmasher
Member
Probably a noob question but downsampling means 1080p TV owners will have the benefits of Scorpio as well, right? Does that mean improved visual fidelity? What exactly does this mean?
thatJohann
Member
I hope this forces Sony to add auto supersampling to PS4 Pro as well.
In the end, I can see why Microsoft gave DF the scoop. This information isn't really surprising, it's mostly a confirmation of rumors and speculation. Better than having rampant misinformation flying around.
Improved Jaguar CPU, improved Polaris GPU, 12GB. Nothing earth-shattering, it's about what people expected. Maybe even less so, weren't people expecting Vega?
Improved Jaguar CPU, improved Polaris GPU, 12GB. Nothing earth-shattering, it's about what people expected. Maybe even less so, weren't people expecting Vega?
How do you even know this?
It was a specs reveal. Microsoft will obviously handle the proper unveiling of the system itself.
Well, the hardware delivered. That's for sure.
Still .. I could see Sony bouncing back as early as next year with a PS4 Premium though. I'm not happy to see a successor for the XBOX One so soon.
Again, pretty impressive and can't wait to see more. The games that will be shown during E3 will be a do-or-do-not deal to me.
Still .. I could see Sony bouncing back as early as next year with a PS4 Premium though. I'm not happy to see a successor for the XBOX One so soon.
Again, pretty impressive and can't wait to see more. The games that will be shown during E3 will be a do-or-do-not deal to me.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Um no. It's much much more than that.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I don't think Sony has to worry with those specs.
And it isn't like the Pro is setting the world on fire, anyway.
And it isn't like the Pro is setting the world on fire, anyway.
Papacheeks
Banned
Well if Shinobi's post are anything to go by then software wise don't expect anything we haven't already seen.
Because that's what matters more than hardware.
The market isn't ready for 4k yet. Give it a couple of years and the adoption will be there. Just in time for the hardware that can achieve it to be cheaper.
I'm not interested in buying a Scorpio (since I have a PC), but this looks like such a nicely built configuration for a console. Quite a beast.
System wide downsampling it's also great considering that still very few people have 4k TVs in the total population.
Microsoft has really done a great job here.
System wide downsampling it's also great considering that still very few people have 4k TVs in the total population.
Microsoft has really done a great job here.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Day one.
Unbelievable Jeff.
Unbelievable Jeff.
Well obviously, but usually they mention some drawbacks to every system, and it seems they are actively avoiding it and presenting this as the second coming of console messiahs.
PuppetMaster
Member
Ya I guess this is fairly disappointing for shipping 1 year later than the Pro.
But its not all terrible news. Could have been worse.
But its not all terrible news. Could have been worse.
aussiedude08
Member
So games will need a "Scorpio" Patch for higher res, but wont need one for more stable framerates. but wont make 30fps games into 60fps.
hanspampel
Banned
this Console is going to be cheap
$399 is a likely pricepoint now
the SOC is not much bigger than Ps4 Pro
the run forza 6 native 4K @ 60FPS on 45-70% GPU load
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
Really amazing hardware. But MS is nearly non existent in the 1st party game world. I wish they would focus on that.
Auto super sampling and forced 16x AF across everything. I think that is really important right there and demonstrates a push for really high image quality that we haven't seen on a console really.
Yeah, it's not like MS would let someone actually "put on a show", so to speak, and reveal the box design, price and name. I can only assume that'll be E3.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
So if you play on a 1080p TV it's barely a difference?
Oh no, just a fixed hardware module which cuts down rendering pipelines by 50%. No gains to be seen at all.
I'm so dumb re: tech stuff...what does this mean for games? 4K native @ 30 FPS possible for most modern games?
Conrad Link
Member
Sounds really awesome, I love my Xbox and I'm glad MS are bringing the power out aggressively.
Now if only it could also be at an aggressively good price! Sadly I'm expecting it to be the 'elite' console type thing, of course it's expensive look at the power!! etc.
In the end though it's all about the games, and they've been struggling with that lately. Hopefully E3 brings the goods.
Now if only it could also be at an aggressively good price! Sadly I'm expecting it to be the 'elite' console type thing, of course it's expensive look at the power!! etc.
In the end though it's all about the games, and they've been struggling with that lately. Hopefully E3 brings the goods.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Hardware based DX12 to get the most out of the CPU, clever!
Forza 6 Native 4K/60fps using only ~70% total performance?
Secret sauce galore!
Forza 6 Native 4K/60fps using only ~70% total performance?
Secret sauce galore!
SolidSnakeUS
Member
That may be a deal breaker for many.
RedlineRonin
Member
Games render at higher resolution than 1080p, and get "squished down" to fit 1080p native screens, so you get a cleaner, less aliased image.
moffattron9000
Member
Well the numbers are higher. The real question is if they've made the numbers high enough.
Man...not coming in at $399 seems like a mistake.
Read the articles please, draw calls offloaded to GPU, compression and other features on the GPU. VOltage control per sub section of the core (just like Ryzen). It is a combination of the two.
Resident_UA
Member
Lol. This is just marketing speak. Just look at Ps4 vs PS4 Pro specs and some people don't think those are enough to justify purchase. Upgrading from PS4 pro to this thing would be stupid.
I think so. $499 would not be competitive.
Suburban Thug
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Speak the truth? more like fanboy emotion with a sprinkle of being disingenuous, once again
barneystuta83
Member
4K 60fps GameDVR?
Mother of gawd.
Mother of gawd.
RichiRamjag
Member
Probably just best to wait and see tbh.
LostDonkey
Member
That's thread worthy right there.
Alter_Fridge
Member
It's definitely a mid gen update then, not next next gen
sleazefrenzy
Member
For the right price it could be a very solid console, but console's live and die on exclusive games, so I wait till E3 to find out if Scorpio has any legs. It would be a shame for a sexy powerful console to not get the killer apps it deserves.
You think Microsoft is going to stick to the 1:1 pricing, or are they going to pull a Nintendo?
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Forza screenshot from the article
They didn't need to mess around optimising the port and they're hitting 4k/60fps all using less than 70% of the GPU, fucking hell.
FullMetaltech
Member
Wont liquid cooling add to the cost? I coukd see it at 499 if thats the case. Anything lower would mean that theyvtake a hit on the cost.
It's pretty fucking impressive, man.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Considering the Play Anywhere approach to exclusives, this isn't really a product for me, but it's nice to see they are approaching the .5 console generation with a better ideology than Sony has.