wumster3000
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Why are people down playing the specs? It's significantly more powerful than the PS4 Pro.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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Can Crusher
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Well, at least it will be affordable.
It's the PS4 pro with AMDs current Mainstream GPU. That's not bad at all. I wonder how they will get games to 4k though.
The same GPU can't do it on PC (or: you're btter off with more details / less resolution).
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Love what I've seen so far. Day 1
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
THIS is huge and hopefully not overlooked. Especially since most people don't have 4k displays and are waiting a bit for prices to come down on good HDR sets or OLED.
I played on a 1080p screen with my 1080 for a good while before I got my ultrawide and supersampling down from 4K was an absolutely amazing thing and a huge upgrade over what I was used to on consoles.
The spec advantage between PS4 and Xbox One isn't small.
FataIChoice
Member
As someone that doesn't own a 4K TV and likely wont for some time, the super sampling is what gets me very excited.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Jaguar sucks but GPU/Bandwidth looks a nice upgrade. If the HDMI 2.1 Game Mode VRR is true and it has a UHD drive that's really nice, what the PS4 Pro should have had.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
So specs good or? This thread already 9 pages lol.
3rdamention
Member
I keep seeing people saying this will be $399, in this very thread. But Digital Foundry said twice, they think it will be $499, "It ain't going to be cheap" they said, based on the tech inside.
Hot damn.
Sunset Samurai
Member
"Its basically a pro plus*
"oh it's just a pro-er"
"Xbox one S Plus then"
Lol what ever you say guys
"oh it's just a pro-er"
"Xbox one S Plus then"
Lol what ever you say guys
HighResTomato
Member
Looks like I will be able to hold on to my 1080p TV for while, can't wait for the reveal.
Stone Ocean
Member
People were just setting themselves up for disappointment.
So it's exactly what they said it would be. Focus on 4K, nice bonus for 1080p owners. An Xbox One Pro. As easy as that. As with the PS4 Pro I'll skip this too and save the money for the eventual PC upgrade instead.
Seriously. This should be a surprise to no-one. And I wonder if they can hit 400.
Seriously. This should be a surprise to no-one. And I wonder if they can hit 400.
digitalrelic
Banned
This literally sounds exactly like what everyone was expecting. It's a 6TF version of the PS4 Pro.
This thing is not going to sell well.
This thing is not going to sell well.
Papacheeks
Banned
But if you don't have exciting games then what's the point?
I can see why MS went to DF for the spec reveal, as the devil is in the details here (with the hardware DX12 customization and a few other tricks, like optimizing the hardware over known games).
A generic reveal would have been met very negatively over a Jaguar CPU (custom with OC), and a 40CU GPU with massive OC.
The second part of the story obviously is the price, but I guess we'll have to wait for E3 for that and the form factor.
Seems that they aimed for $399 with this, we'll see.
A generic reveal would have been met very negatively over a Jaguar CPU (custom with OC), and a 40CU GPU with massive OC.
The second part of the story obviously is the price, but I guess we'll have to wait for E3 for that and the form factor.
Seems that they aimed for $399 with this, we'll see.
schaft0620
Member
Ah crud I thought we were getting a look at the box today.
I'll say 550...this will probably be 450 US.
This is adorable. No way this thing is only going to be $50 more than Pro in Canada.
It's pretty much exactly the announcement I expected, and I think the announcement anyone would have expected if they were reading between the lines rather than... well... dreaming. This is very precisely Microsoft's answer to the PS4 Pro, and though it should comfortably be the best console (for at least a couple of years), and while I think there will be noticeable differences across many titles, I don't see it making some dramatic difference to the shape of the console market. The two mid-gen refreshes should see the power gap more or less reverse, with Sony being a bit in the lead in the first half of the generation and Microsoft being in the lead in the second half.
The two remaining questions regard price and games. I don't think it's impossible to imagine this being a $400, but there are various things that lead me to believe it's going to be $450 or even $500, just given the way that Phil Spencer has talked about the 'premium' nature of the product. In some ways, at either price point, I think the product will be reasonably successful because it's going to be the best hardware on the market for at least a couple of years.
The games question is a lot trickier for Microsoft to answer, I think. I wonder whether they have a stable of developers which is going to be able to maximise the power of Scorpio in the way that Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, and Guerilla will maximise the power of the PS4 Pro.
On a personal level, I'll definitely be considering purchasing one to replace my Xbox One come November, though if it's above £350 in the UK, I'll probably decide against it, at least in the beginning. It really depends on whether I'm spending much time on my Xbox One around that time, because right now I'm using it once a week at maximum.
The two remaining questions regard price and games. I don't think it's impossible to imagine this being a $400, but there are various things that lead me to believe it's going to be $450 or even $500, just given the way that Phil Spencer has talked about the 'premium' nature of the product. In some ways, at either price point, I think the product will be reasonably successful because it's going to be the best hardware on the market for at least a couple of years.
The games question is a lot trickier for Microsoft to answer, I think. I wonder whether they have a stable of developers which is going to be able to maximise the power of Scorpio in the way that Naughty Dog, Sony Santa Monica, Sucker Punch, and Guerilla will maximise the power of the PS4 Pro.
On a personal level, I'll definitely be considering purchasing one to replace my Xbox One come November, though if it's above £350 in the UK, I'll probably decide against it, at least in the beginning. It really depends on whether I'm spending much time on my Xbox One around that time, because right now I'm using it once a week at maximum.
Audioboxer
Member
That is what Xbox consoles really need. Get that Kinect and/or IR blaster to fuck. I want my consoles turning on/off automatically with TV and sound system
These specs sound good, but around what you'd expect for a release at the end of this year. They best try and hit the PS4 Pro RRP. DF are just speculating on pricing.
What will be interesting next will be to see if Sony jump the gun on the PS5 before MS bring in the next Xbox. Generations might be a bit out of sync with these mid cycle refreshes.
Did you even watch the video?
Starfield
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Vape Nation
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
Resident_UA
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Because some games barely run better on PS4 Pro and upgrade there vs PS4 was huge. DF is all marketing speak. But if you think that upgrading from PS4 Pro to new Xbox is justifiable purchase you are out of your mind.
they canceled scalebound for this.. seeing as all Xbox one gams are on PC, if I want graphics, I would just go there instead of buying this. If MS invested in exclusives I might have held a different position but they are chasing specs now and its meaningless for a gamer like me
Baleoce
Member
The custom GPU/clock, memory amount/type. bandwidth of said memory and the fact it supports 4k UHD bluray. They aint messing around. And they're ahead of schedule too. The part about 4k60fps (and showing this off through Forza) sounds nice, I hope the retail units come good on that. E3 is going to be very interesting I think.
I haven't followed Pro that closely as normal PS4 is enough for me but it doesn't offer this? That's like one of the first things these things should include.
Jaguar = $399 feels like a missfire to me.
It's got a custom CPU, 12GB RAM, what sounds like a custom cooling solution.. and it's certainly sounding powerful.
Microsoft are still throwing around terms like "Premium" as well.
I'm not feeling $399. In the UK I paid £425 for a launch day PS3 and I think this will be more than that for sure.
It's got a custom CPU, 12GB RAM, what sounds like a custom cooling solution.. and it's certainly sounding powerful.
Microsoft are still throwing around terms like "Premium" as well.
I'm not feeling $399. In the UK I paid £425 for a launch day PS3 and I think this will be more than that for sure.
Bucket-o-roadkill
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I don't know why I feel deflated, I didn't really know what to expect but watching a 15min vid of Rich is pretty anti climatic, lol
The Salt Life
Banned
Pretty much, they were always going to be played on the system that ran them the best.
My living room is ready for that pivot
I wouldn't expect that.
Because some people set themselves up for disappointment thinking that it was gonna have ZEN+Vega for sure
Elven_Star
Member
MS's problem persists though: it has no exclusives.
somecrazymember
Banned
So for people that dont understand shit like me. => How much more powerful then PS4 Pro and how will i see the difference in a 3rd party game?
brokenbeans
Banned
This is the whole point of Scorpio it was never gonna be an absolute monster that would signal the start of a new gen.
Just a much better XB1 and slightly better specs than the PS4 pro, halfway through the gen.