SneakersSO
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And, most importantly, said they were going to. People believing this was ever going to be more than what MS & Co. have continually insisted on were setting everyone up for disappointment.
Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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And, most importantly, said they were going to. People believing this was ever going to be more than what MS & Co. have continually insisted on were setting everyone up for disappointment.
If the tools remain easy to port games and enhance them, this will be a great addition to the competitive nature of the console market in general.
My opinion as an owner of all major consoles/PC:
With one of the best controllers in the market today, an OS that is constantly getting updated and faster, backwards compatibility built-in diversifying your library and what looks like now more impressive hardware to give developers a way to show off their games in remarkable/amazing ways, linked with cross-play games for consumers that use it for gaming across two different platforms - all this should build consumer confidence in the XBOX brand in general, which has been lacking since Don "I murder products" Mattrick almost buried it in the landfill with all the ET cartridges.
I'm very glad Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are each succeeding positively in different ways. Great for us, great for business and great for competition. E3 is going to be a blast either way you look at it.
My opinion as an owner of all major consoles/PC:
With one of the best controllers in the market today, an OS that is constantly getting updated and faster, backwards compatibility built-in diversifying your library and what looks like now more impressive hardware to give developers a way to show off their games in remarkable/amazing ways, linked with cross-play games for consumers that use it for gaming across two different platforms - all this should build consumer confidence in the XBOX brand in general, which has been lacking since Don "I murder products" Mattrick almost buried it in the landfill with all the ET cartridges.
I'm very glad Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are each succeeding positively in different ways. Great for us, great for business and great for competition. E3 is going to be a blast either way you look at it.
GodfatherX
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Really surprised at the custom dx12 hardware accompanying the jaguar CPU though we really shouldn't be. The 360 showed how in dept MS can work with its partners when it comes to creating custom chip enhancements
Well, if that guy already owns a gaming PC and PS4pro, what other incentives are there? Ofcourse it's about games.
I'm hoping they don't abandon play anywhere. It's one of the best things MS has done. As it means we don't have to wait for patches, or remasters. We can eventually get a beefier pc, and play our favorite Xbox games at better quality.
It is exactly as a reasonable person would have expected. We knew 90% of this going into today. This just filled in the CPU question and the specific enhancements that they added as per usual in the console hardware development.
New game announcements is what E3 is for.
Much lower clock speed on the GPU than a 1060.
HeisenbergWW62
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So as someone who isn't familiar with tech stuff, will this be able to hit 60 fps easily? Or will that still be up to the devs?
PeskyToaster
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DerZuhälter;233470868 said:
In computing, faking it is just as good as making it. Sometimes faking it is even better because you can use the resources elsewhere.
wumster3000
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I respectfully disagree with your opinion. As stated, just read this thread. Better yet, read any thread with a positive MS topic.
But let's stay on topic in this thread. I started it so I'll get back on topic.
My problem is, will third parties take advantage of the boost.
TheOfficeMut
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I believe the point is that the poster wants to justify purchasing an Xbox console manufactured by MICROSOFT and would like them to publish their own games. Saying "not on PC or PS4 Pro" was redundant but it means the same thing.
geordiemp
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Its a customised version of a customised version of the Jaguar.
And when the die shots come out, I can guarantee that they all look exactly the same....funny that isnt it.
Heavily customised is the new cloud PR term, Sony MS and Nintendo are all guilty.
Dont get me wrong,, Scorpio looks a great product and exactly what is possible with what is available today to console makers.
jim2point0
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SuperÑ;233468701 said:
Phones are much more integrated into our daily lives. And I find that as I get older, I tend to care more about my phone as I'm using it waaaay more often. Especially for the 2x 50 minute train rides to work and back. And taking pictures of my daughter and face-timing with her when I'm away. It also doubles as a mobile gaming machine. The list goes on and on.
So yeah, I would expect to pay more for a phone than a console at this stage in my life.
Umm, ok. I was just saying the PS4 and XBO CPUs were also customized, when that poster claimed they weren't.
Yeah, they should've saved the scorpio reveal closer to E3 if not at E3.
akidnamededdy
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That doesn't mean the population here doesn't happen to skew one way or the other. Nothing wrong with preferences.
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Jeronimo Jones
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MS wants to hit around $399 but also as wants to net as much profit as is justifiable from consumers, so anything from $399-$499 wouldn't be a huge surprise to me with the MS tax. Depends on if they plan to be aggressive or to chip away.
MS has some obstacles including being late to the party and need to convince consumers with software/value if the price seems too high. I'm interested to see what their strategy is.
Obviously, Sony could counter by lowering PS4Pro if necessary, bundling, or standing pat depending on their strategy.
MS has some obstacles including being late to the party and need to convince consumers with software/value if the price seems too high. I'm interested to see what their strategy is.
Obviously, Sony could counter by lowering PS4Pro if necessary, bundling, or standing pat depending on their strategy.
Need to justify my purchase somehow
TheJollyCorner
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GAF isn't 'Sonyland' - and the persecution complex some around here have is tiresome. Things seem more vocal when a company's product has sold (almost?) 60 million units and is outpacing the competition. It was the same when the 360 and Wii were kicking ass.
Primethius
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People that think folks are meh on this might not remember the Pro reveal/launch?
Pro got largely blasted on GAF. So it stands to reason that a mid-gen refresh that largely reflects specs a year later would be met with the same reception.
But no, that can't be it!
Pro got largely blasted on GAF. So it stands to reason that a mid-gen refresh that largely reflects specs a year later would be met with the same reception.
But no, that can't be it!
That is 50% more.
Then don't get the fucking box smh and buy the Microsoft exclusives on PC.
Uh... he's saying he already owns a PC and a Pro. How is it "sad" that Scorpio will need good exclusives for him to want it?
Savantcore
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Yeah definitely. I don't have a gaming PC but I think it's a great initiative. It's just a shame for MS that it kinda undermines the Xbox at the same time.
Oh ok. RAM speeds ain't gonna do much for game performances, might be wrong though. At least it didn't do anything for my PC when I upgraded from 667 MHZ to 2667 MHz.
I see.
Hell no, it's a bit higher than the relative gap between current Xbox One and PS4.
Scorpio is what the PS4 Pro would have been with an extra year of technical advancements. That's not a big surprise considering that they're both systems made with AMD tech.
If you look at the specs most of the power delta is actually due to higher clocks and not to extra compute units.
Ummmm
JayWood2010
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You must not have been around during the early PS3 days.
It's been over a decade since the PS3 released. I imagine the world has changed a little bit since then.
LordOcidax
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Dude the Scorpio have an OCRX480... And Jag cores... Is better to be more realistic here.
He's not wrong, why would he buy a console to play games he can play on PC/PS4.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Herp Derpington
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You must not have been around during the early PS3 days.
Yes and that was what, almost 9 years ago? Anyway I'd say gaf isn't Sony centric as much as it is Japan centric. Saying gaf is Sony land ignores the vast swath of Nintendo fans here. Xbox and by some extension PC fans here are definitely in the minority.
It's expected. It's a PS4Pro with the improvement you can expect from a year's delay.
Are you okay, dude? Calm down.
Dee Dah Dave
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$499 is a perfectly reasonable price for hardware like this, but it won't turn any heads at that price. The core Xbox fans will buy it all day long but that's about it. If they want to pick up any fence sitters it needs to be $399. The build cost shouldn't be hugely different than the launch XB1 so I don't think it's impossible. It's just 4 more RAM modules and a few other bits, nothing major. Probably roughly break even at that price which is not ideal, but hey that's consoles and the audience for you.
If it is $499 then I think it needs a sweetener, like an Elite controller packed in or something like that.
If it is $499 then I think it needs a sweetener, like an Elite controller packed in or something like that.
And jags aren't even suppose to get to 2.3ghz
It's not a simple jaguar cores in this. They clearly said they spent a lot of time customizing the CPU with AMD. Or else not much work needed if just using Pro CPU
DerZuhälter;233470868 said:
The bigger difference will be what Scorpio can do IN ADDITION to resolution. The RAM, memory bandwidth, and CPU power should make the gap even bigger than what we saw between XB1 and PS4.
XB1 had a better CPU than PS4 but PS4 had a considerable GPU boost. However, both consoles had the same RAM amount and similar memory speeds (although XB1's ESRAM kinda hurt it there).
This will be a big advantage for the Scorpio across the board. CPU, GPU, and memory.
His point is custom Jags as a concept isn't new. This has been the case since OG PS4/Xbox.
kingbean
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Um... I feel that I was misunderstood.
I much prefer for games to be on all platforms that it can be. I've got quantum break and gears of war on pc. I dont want them to take them away. All I'm saying is that the only way I'll buy one is IF they have an exclusive I can't get anywhere else.
So agro, folks.
blue_phazon
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If you care about MS franchises (specifically multiplayer) then an xbox is totally worth it even if you have a PC.
Why the fuck would I want to play gears 4 on PC with no online population?
Why the fuck would I want to play gears 4 on PC with no online population?
Ploid 3.0
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Devs will still have to make games with Xbox One in mind, so PS4 Pro, and Scorpio will add their touches to them. 4k, and added effects maybe, smoother framerate.
I expected this thing would be better on specs. It looks very close to PSPro and not over into next gen territory like some people assumed it could be. This is definitely current gen, and not a sneaky next gen step.