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[Colbert]

And I'm sitting at home alone in a blackout with insomnia, so I got nothing better to do ;-)

Btw you know that some of your quotes here in this thread were used by a shitty website named Gamingbolt to make a piece out of it and pretending you are a R&D dev?

 

[Matt]

Btw you know that some of your quotes here in this thread were used by a shitty website named Gamingbolt to make a piece out of it and pretending you are a R&D dev?

Yeah I heard in this thread well after it happened. That's crazy, I don't know what else to say.

Oh well, at least it's kinda funny.

 

[Sad Affleck]

It of course depends on the game. The Pro has native 4K games. The Scorpio will have more. Every Scorpio game will not be native 4K.

Hell, maybe most Scorpio games won't be 4K. That's up to the developers. The question is: If developers of your average AAA game want their game to run at 4K native on Scorpio and at current gen console-level settings and framerate, is the hardware up to the task? With the data we have so far the likely answer is "yes". If the same question is asked about the PS4 Pro, the answer is "no".

This all started from me saying neither the Pro or the Scorpio are half assed, and I stand by that. They both represent about the best product that could have been delivered at their chosen time for their chosen prices.

This I very much agree with. There was no way for Sony to offer a more powerful console last year at that price point. Whether it was half-assed or not depends on the initial objective. If the objective was to offer customers the option of a more powerful PS4 then it was not half-assed. If the objective was to offer customers a console that could play games at 4K then it was half-assed.

The distinction is meaningless anyway. Neither console will sell a meaningful number of units in mass market terms. To me it seems like the only reason that these consoles exist is to tide hardcore console gamers over until a new generation begins three to four years from now.

Well that's actually the basis for the argument, the pro doesn't hit that mark. So most games use checkerboard rendering. Is 40% more hp going to hit native every time? How much better will the checkerboard rendering be in that case?

We'll see. Personally I don't care at all about resolution, 1080p already looks good enough. Framerate is a much bigger deal.

Alternative facts are all the rage these days huh.

If you can make a case for a different conclusion I'm listening.

 

[leeh]

lol, to be completely honest, I am very eager to get my Scorpio in the fall. I like gaming on consoles, and it will become my new primary system.

But, there is nothing particularly exciting about it in the abstract. I have been playing games on PC's that have and will continue to look better than what Scorpio will have to offer. Scorpio isn't going to advance the gaming industry in any way, because we will still be tied to the XBO. I'm excited to have a new toy, but from both a within the industry and from a player perspective, there isn't really any "wow" going on here. To be frank, the Switch is more exciting in terms of new possibilities to me, even though I will be playing my Scorpio a whole lot more than my Switch.

Fair enough, understandable if you're using a PC a lot. I suppose since I stopped PC gaming, my excitment for new hardware grew as I don't have anything remotely comparable.

 

[Colbert]

Yeah I heard in this thread well after it happened. That's crazy, I don't know what else to say.

Oh well, at least it's kinda funny.

There is one positive about it. Now we know as a fact how they do all their "dev interviews" they always have on their site. It is just made up non existent nonsense.

 

[Ushay]

Well whatever theory you are referring to isn't reality.

Matt quick question. Are you actively working with a Scorpio dev kit now ie do you have experience using it?

 

[Matt]

Hell, maybe most Scorpio games won't be 4K. That's up to the developers. The question is: If developers of your average AAA game want their game to run at 4K native on Scorpio and at current gen console-level settings and framerate, is the hardware up to the task? With the data we have so far the likely answer is "yes". If the same question is asked about the PS4 Pro, the answer is "no".



This I very much agree with. There was no way for Sony to offer a more powerful console last year at that price point. Whether it was half-assed or not depends on the initial objective. If the objective was to offer customers the option of a more powerful PS4 then it was not half-assed. If the objective was to offer customers a console that could play games at 4K then it was half-assed.

The distinction is meaningless anyway. Neither console will sell a meaningful number of units in mass market terms. To me it seems like the only reason that these consoles exist is to tide hardcore console gamers over until a new generation begins three to four years from now.



We'll see. Personally I don't care at all about resolution, 1080p already looks good enough. Framerate is a much bigger deal.



If you can make a case for a different conclusion I'm listening.

Let's stop arguing, I think we basically agree.

Really I just hate people calling shit "half-assed" or otherwise insulting work based on nothing. It's annoying and disrespectful and does nothing to advance good conversation.

 

[Matt]

There is one positive about it. Now we know as a fact how they do all their "dev interviews" they always have on their site. It is just made up non existent nonsense.

Well I don't know about all that (literally I don't know), but this was indeed shockingly bad press work.

 

[Psyrgery ES]

I would not call a difference of +40% in power a "slight overclock" but to each his own I guess.

 

[meirl]

Matt quick question. Are you actively working with a Scorpio dev kit now ie do you have experience using it?

Looking at his comments about Scorpio it sure Looks like it.

 

[Matt]

Fair enough, understandable if you're using a PC a lot. I suppose since I stopped PC gaming, my excitment for new hardware grew as I don't have anything remotely comparable.

Look, it is great to be excited about Scorpio. I'm sure you'll get it and be blown anyway and have a fantastic time. I'll enjoy mine immensely as well.

But I'm going to keep being realistic and honest, because that's kinda how I always try to be.

 

[Ushay]

I would not call a difference of +40% in power a "slight overclock" but to each his own I guess.

Slight
Marginal
A bit more powerful

The downplay is extraordinary. I remember when X1 comparisons were being sung to the stars. Now the rhetoric changes again.

 

[Milly Osworth]

The Eurogamer video is hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vDCUcGPTWg

 

[Matt]

Matt quick question. Are you actively working with a Scorpio dev kit now ie do you have experience using it?

 

[sir_dany12]

Who's Matt

 

[00ich]

hard to make a game that would run slower than 1080/60 on this thing

Not if you are CPU limited.

 

[phil_t98]

So basicly when DF post PS4 has higher specs then they are pointing out the the ps4 is bette then the X1r, when DF says the pro is good they are right again but when DF say the scorpio is much more powerful than the PS4 pro they are lying?
They have seen it running and we haven't


The specs look loads better for the scorpio than the pro, extra ram faster cpu more intergrated coding to the cpu, improvements to the gpu but nobody believes what hey say.

When they say PS4 4fps better then the x1 then DF always right it seems but not in this case as many people here seem to be posting?

Are people scared their pro will become redundant? no it wont, it just means the coin has flipped and the scorpio looks like it will have the upper hand for 2-3 years.

I have an x1 and I enjoy it reguardless of the PS4 being 1080p and better FPS on most titles

 

[Always-honest]

Who's Matt

 

[Always-honest]

So basicly when DF post PS4 has higher specs then they are pointing out the the ps4 is bette then the X1r, when DF says the pro is good they are right again but when DF say the scorpio is much more powerful than the PS4 pro they are lying?
They have seen it running and we haven't


The specs look loads better for the scorpio than the pro, extra ram faster cpu more intergrated coding to the cpu, improvements to the gpu but nobody believes what hey say.

When they say PS4 4fps better then the x1 then DF always right it seems but not in this case as many people here seem to be posting?

Are people scared their pro will become redundant? no it wont, it just means the coin has flipped and the scorpio looks like it will have the upper hand for 2-3 years.

I have an x1 and I enjoy it reguardless of the PS4 being 1080p and better FPS on most titles

You act like everyone is saying this. Reply to the people who talk nonsense.
Of course it's more powerful. We have to see how well it will be used. Let's wait and see.
Sounds great though.

 

[wesleyshark]

https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/63x2eh/project_scorpio_size/

Was waiting for someone to do this haha. That's incredibly impressive, being able to keep the dimensions minimal.

Just slightly larger overall than the One S.

 

[pieface]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

 

[Always-honest]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Probably.

 

[sir_dany12]

I might be day 1 if I rob someone

 

[phil_t98]

You act like everyone is saying this. Reply to the people who talk nonsense.

its only aimed at the second half of this thread, loads of them here seem to think that there is gonna be no difference, there will be. nobody as yet knows how much but there will be one.

 

[GRaider81]

One thing I really like is that they will offer downsampling for 1080p owners.

I really hope Sony follows suit, even if it's 1440p or whatever.

I bought my pro for MLB the show and I can't tell you disappointed I am that i don't get downsampling for that game.


I watched all the videos last night and its a pretty impressive piece of kit. It doesn't offer me anything at the moment as a PC owner but ill definitely be paying close attention to actual comparisons down the road.

 

[EmiPrime]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

I already returned my Xbox One S for Scorpio money (thank you UK consumer rights). Day 1 for sure as long as it's not north of £350.

 

[wesleyshark]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Definitely me. Without a doubt.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Lmao reading some early responses in this thread with people trying to hype up Scorpio's power but not really knowing what they're talking about.

'Wow those clockspeeds are insane' and 'the frequency this is running at is insane' like wth is insane?!? Higher than normal but insane? And what a weird part of the specs to latch on to for your excitement. I suppose when the CPU is an old Jaguar and the GPU is similar to what is running in the Pro, there needs to be something people can exclaim to show this is some kind of 'beast'.

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

I'm very, very tempted. Need to see how much real world difference there is before I commit to it though.

One thing I really like is that they will offer downsampling for 1080p owners.

I really hope Sony follows suit, even if it's 1440p or whatever.

I bought my pro for MLB the show and I can't tell you disappointed I am that i don't get downsampling for that game.

Yeah, going from downsampled Horizon to 1080p The Show is jarring.

 

[Black Mantis]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Yep, I´m in.

 

[sir_dany12]

Lmao reading some early responses in this thread with people trying to hype up Scorpio's power but not really knowing what they're talking about.

'Wow those clockspeeds are insane' and 'the frequency this is running at is insane' like wth is insane?!? Higher than normal but insane? And what a weird part of the specs to latch on to for your excitement. I suppose when the CPU is an old Jaguar and the GPU is similar to what is running in the Pro, there needs to be something people can exclaim to show this is some kind of 'beast'.

 

[Jessie.Bristol]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Day 1 for me. Already got my money ready, just waiting on preorders to open up.

 

[00ich]

CPU and GPU are for all intents and purposes the same as the PS4 Pros, just clocked significantly higher. Adding 4GB of RAM will increase costs, but memory is not that expensive.

The 50% additional Memory also mean a 50% wider memory interface. That means 50% more connectors between memory and APU. Which means more expensive mainboard.
Also it's probably not "just' clocked higher. The higher you clock the more chips don't reach that target because of manufacturing inaccuracies. There will be a lot of Scorpio APUs going right into the trash.

 

[Hatefilled Vengeance]

I can't imagine them making the same pricing mistake again. They spent all this time/effort fixing their past fuck ups, announcing another $500 box that's $100 (or more at that point) than their competition would be really strange. $399 with a game is my guess.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Me. I can't think of a single reason not to upgrade.

 

[nOoblet16]

Check out benchmarks for the rx480 then, you'll see comparable performance. Digital Foundry uses The Division's benchmark tool to test cards.

With an i7 it pulls off 1080/60fps, so its pretty damn solid. You'd probably get like 4k/30 on the Scorpio.

Isn't The Division already native 4K/30FPS on Pro? The game was 1080P/30 (dynamic Res but barely ever dropped) on Xbox One, so there was probably a lot of headroom left for Pro to reach that number.

 

[leeh]

Lmao reading some early responses in this thread with people trying to hype up Scorpio's power but not really knowing what they're talking about.

'Wow those clockspeeds are insane' and 'the frequency this is running at is insane' like wth is insane?!? Higher than normal but insane? And what a weird part of the specs to latch on to for your excitement. I suppose when the CPU is an old Jaguar and the GPU is similar to what is running in the Pro, there needs to be something people can exclaim to show this is some kind of 'beast'.

Maybe because standard Jaguar can't be clocked that high and Polaris is OC'd way higher than anything normal, and this is in a mass-produced console.

Yeah, that is insane.

 

[antyk]

Slight
Marginal
A bit more powerful

The downplay is extraordinary. I remember when X1 comparisons were being sung to the stars. Now the rhetoric changes again.

Well, the 40% GPU performance advantage PS4 has over XB1 was also considered a "huge gap|, but nowadays the resulting 1080p vs. 900p is just glossed over, because in most cases with today's AA solutions it doesn't really look 'hugely' different. With Scorpio's true 4K vs. Pro's 4K-inda the perceived relative difference might be even smaller, because of diminishing returns. One thing where Scorpio can pull ahead is actual 4K textures (due to more memory) and better AF (due to higher bandwidth) and this can be the actual game changer in terms of IQ.

 

[Marvel]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Absolutely.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

But what's the Hovis method. If I ask Cortana will she bake me a loaf of bread?

If so day one.

 

[bonchooski]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

The opportunity to play Sunset Overdrive supersampled has me there day 1.

 

[00ich]

I can't imagine them making the same pricing mistake again. They spent all this time/effort fixing their past fuck ups, announcing another $500 box that's $100 (or more at that point) than their competition would be really strange. $399 with a game is my guess.

Scorpio is meant to sting Sony not combat them. They are a year late in a niche market.
No matter if it's 400$ or 500$, they won't sell much. So does Sony.
This is a first step to rebuild core credibility. Expect all game footage to be from the Scorpio version. Streamers will use Scorpio.
A lot of material and footage suddenly has the Xbox logo.

 

[irrotational]

Lmao reading some early responses in this thread with people trying to hype up Scorpio's power but not really knowing what they're talking about.

'Wow those clockspeeds are insane' and 'the frequency this is running at is insane' like wth is insane?!? Higher than normal but insane? And what a weird part of the specs to latch on to for your excitement. I suppose when the CPU is an old Jaguar and the GPU is similar to what is running in the Pro, there needs to be something people can exclaim to show this is some kind of 'beast'.

I thought cock cycle speed was a fairly important part about chip specs? There's a law about it and everything.

GPU doesn't seem that similar to what's in the pro but I suppose it depends where you start from. The GPU in the Scorpio is much more similar to a PS4 Pro than a Gamecube for example...but I'd say 40% more compute power is different enough to not be "similar" any more.

The DX12 hardware-based instruction set certainly sounds like it will make a big difference to CPU bottlenecks so in my layman's view that is also enough reason to say they are not "similar" any more.

The PS4 Pro chip is also deliberately designed as two original GPU chips mirrored, to help with compatibility and probably power/heat as well. It's a clever idea but a different one from the Scorpio approach.

In console terms Scorpio is a bit of a beast and early indications (which may be wrong) are that it will only be outperformed by the latest GFX cards in beastly PCs.

IMHO people are right to be excited for it, either because they might get one, or because of what it prompts PS to do next in terms of upping their specs.

I also feel you're being a bit dismissive in two paragraphs about the effort of a team of probably hundreds of people in total, working hard over 3-4 years to try and come up with a good console design.

Do you know what you're talking about? Would be good to know if you are in the games industry or software/hardware more generally...

Fake edit - deliberately left in the mis-spellling at the start - there is something Freudian about debating the worth of something based on a measure of "size".

 

[Backfoggen]

Isn't The Division already native 4K/30FPS on Pro? The game was 1080P/30 (dynamic Res but barely ever dropped) on Xbox One, so there was probably a lot of headroom left for Pro to reach that number.

I think it's reconstructed in some way. There are noticable artifacts around transperancies when moving the camera.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Maybe because standard Jaguar can't be clocked that high and Polaris is OC'd way higher than anything normal, and this is in a mass-produced console.

Yeah, that is insane.

Yeah, totally insane. Whatever makes you happy

 

[gaming_noob]

Leeh's avatar LOL. Love it. That's how you lose a bet.

 

[Jumeira]

So... who's day 1? I know I am!!! Hype.

Day 0 for me. Superior multiplats...Red Dead is going to be a sight i cant wait.

 

[ResidentDante]

Lmao reading some early responses in this thread with people trying to hype up Scorpio's power but not really knowing what they're talking about.

'Wow those clockspeeds are insane' and 'the frequency this is running at is insane' like wth is insane?!? Higher than normal but insane? And what a weird part of the specs to latch on to for your excitement. I suppose when the CPU is an old Jaguar and the GPU is similar to what is running in the Pro, there needs to be something people can exclaim to show this is some kind of 'beast'.

Yet, your post blatantly shows: neither do you.

Scorpio is so powerful it has turned an application programming interface into a physical element inside it's GPU core. This is some next level shit, tech from 2021 or something.

Forza 9 is going to look virtual reality.

Enjoying yourself trolling around I see...

 

[Sad Affleck]

Let's stop arguing, I think we basically agree.

Really I just hate people calling shit "half-assed" or otherwise insulting work based on nothing. It's annoying and disrespectful and does nothing to advance good conversation.

Agreed.

 

[VE3TRO]

We getting any new videos today from Rich?

Was waiting for someone to do this haha. That's incredibly impressive, being able to keep the dimensions minimal.

Just slightly larger overall than the One S.

I tried last night and came up also very close. Gonna be an impressive little box.