Yep. MS would rather sell 10 more copies of Windows 8 than make DirectX 11.1 the new graphics standard. This boneheaded move will make sure not a single developer will target 11.1.
Thanks Microsoft!
Direct X 11.1 is Windows 8 exclusive, no plans to retrofit
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Yep. MS would rather sell 10 more copies of Windows 8 than make DirectX 11.1 the new graphics standard. This boneheaded move will make sure not a single developer will target 11.1.
Thanks Microsoft!
Stallion Free
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You have some high hopes if you think this next gen will have games at greater than 1080p or 60 fps.
I don't think it will be easier to have 1080p 60fps games this time around on PC either...
Maybe years down the line.
BTW... BF4 next gen aiming for 60fps is a great start already.
Metalmurphy
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Remove the "greater than".
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Ummm, I have plenty of PC games that are running 1080p @60 fps at 4xAA right now. And I don't even have a killer rig. (i5-750 @ 3Ghz, Ati HD7750)
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Where's that gif where a person is making chocolate milk on the counter?
I think that will fit in this thread
I think that will fit in this thread
Angelus Errare
Banned
Well we know it won't be doing the aforementioned. I'll take a permaban if the next consoles
1. Can utilize multiple forms of AA (SGSSA among other things)
2. Has multidisplay support (not happening)
3. 1080p60fps (definitely not happening without a mandate from Sony/MS. Anyone expecting this to be the standard are going to be disappointed)
4. Modding (On a MS console? lol right)
I'll have to go with Dreams on this, PC will still be the better experience if the aforementioned are your bullet points.
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I'm just going by the post he was responding to. It listed both of those things.
Yeah... That Star Wars 1313 demo could only pull 30fps with some frame drops. You're going to be upgrading soon.
Complistic
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I'm seeing a pattern here.
funkystudent
Member
HAHA they are pulling a vista again?
Fuck it. Lets go full circle. Shitty Windows 8 exclusive Halo 3 PC port announcement in 5. 4. 3. 2...
Fuck it. Lets go full circle. Shitty Windows 8 exclusive Halo 3 PC port announcement in 5. 4. 3. 2...
All of these are pointless though. Microsoft enforces Metro app policies so that users have the best experience, that's the point, without it they might as well go back to the Windows wild west. They have no bearing on the openness of the platform either because we already have that in desktop. You can make your own Metro styled app there and sell it through Steam if you wanted. The only difference is that if you sell through the Windows Store Microsoft will hold you to UI, performance and power consumption restrictions because that's what Metro is all about.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I barely notice the difference between DX11 and DX9 version of most games, so I doubt 11 > 11.1 is going to be such an important upgrade that I'll feel compelled to install W8 just for it. Of course, it's a scummy move by Microsoft but it's par for the course at this stage. Fucking hell, I am happy to give you more money to let me have the latest version of DX, I just don't want to upgrade to your crummy new OS.
They will when next gen consoles arrive..
My fantastic experience on PC (and yes, it is much better than on consoles, from buying games, to launching them all the way to playing them) is to a significant part due to the PC being an open platform.
That's why I have multiple distributors fighting it out with increasingly insane deals. That's why I have the choice of using any input device I want with any game. That's why I have superior external options for voice communication. That's why I can enhance the image quality of games beyond what their developers provisioned for. And that's why my games still get modded and enhanced after years by fans.
It makes perfect sense that Microsoft doesn't care about any of this of course. They'd rather I just buy games on their platform through their store, playing them using their controller while paying for their online environment and downloadable content.
Except that you in fact cannot make a Metro app using new OS features and distribute it without going through MS.
they tried only with Vista. By your logic Vista shouldn't have had DX11 then. But it had. Stop spreading bullshit just because you can't admit that you are wrong in your stupid stubborness.
There hasn't really been any games made with Direct X11 in mind from the ground up.
Most are made with Direct X9 in mind and then slap on Direct X11 features. You can say consoles have been holding devs back. But that is soon to change next gen.
I understand what you mean Durante, but you can obviously see MS is using the PC userbase for an easy cash grab. And that is, of course bullshit.
Tallshortman
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Ha what the hell are you talking about? What "bullshit" am I spreading? I haven't been wrong about anything, especially given this is my first post in the thread. Where exactly did I even say or indicate Vista shouldn't have had DX11? Are you confused or simply lack basic reading comprehension?
This is pretty much it. Direct X 11.1 is dead on arrival for non metro applications.
best quote in any windows thread I've seen here. Cheers.
We shall see, but I think that as long as targeting DX9 brings more profits than not, then that is what we will get.
All next gen development jobs are targeting DX11 in the profiles.
You mean the live tile? Everything else in metro apps are a limited subset of features Windows application already have.
Pretty much. DX11 won't just be an extra like it has been because of 360/PS3 development. Devs are gonna take advantage of the features of the next consoles.
Dont get me wrong, I'd love to be proven wrong with this. People clinging to XP have held back progress for long enough.
Dreams-Visions
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We know they won't play most games at 60fps+ @ above 1080p resolutions, support multiple screens, multiple forms of anti-ailising & af (in game settings), or a mountain of peripherals (dating back 10+ years, with driver support for every console controller made)...
so yea, we know that much. that's the nature of console gaming we're talking about. we'll be lucky if 360 controllers and games work with the next console, and that's probably the most likely thing out of my entire list we can expect to see. the better experience will ultimately be on PC, whether a person is using Windows 8 or not. That was the point and it really isn't a debate, nor has it ever been.
You've described high-end gaming in a nutshell. It's all about the specs, if it weren't nobody would care about DX11.1 in general. But it won't do anything for OpenGL, DX11 is still the better API. Any of OpenGL's gains will be from mobile.
Actually, that would be a genius move on MS' part. That way they could sell a $10 version of windows 9 to the 90% who don't read tech sites and are happy with walled gardens, and make money off them through their cut of software sales and possibly targeted advertising.
One of the problems with windows sales MS has had is that it is a one time fee for them. They may have just solved that problem. I guess Ballmer isn't an idiot. He still dances like one though.
Salacious Crumb
Junior Member
The money lost making a game built from the ground up on DX11 work with DX9 is much more than the money they'd make from supporting XP. Maybe some smaller PC exclusives will cling on to DX9, but next gen multiplats will be DX11 only (finger crossed).
joeygreco1985
Member
What position? Who uses OpenGL these days outside of id?
The reason this didn't happen sooner is because the current gen of consoles has gone on too long. PC caught up fast and many gamers are thinking maxed out DX9 games with Direct X11 slapped on is next gen.
Well pretty much anyone that's not targetting a MSFT platform?
You are not as smart as you think your are.
:lol
TouchMyBox
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Basic use is as easy or maybe even easier than Windows.
Power-user type usage in Linux is harder than Windows.
No need to panic...yet
Developers aren't going to target exclusively, a new revision of DX that only works on a comparatively tiny user base. The only thing that miiiiight be somewhat worrisome is if in the future the next Xbox takes full advantage of a windows 8 exclusive DX, and gamers on 7 may miss out on whatever effects or optimization come as a result.
Developers aren't going to target exclusively, a new revision of DX that only works on a comparatively tiny user base. The only thing that miiiiight be somewhat worrisome is if in the future the next Xbox takes full advantage of a windows 8 exclusive DX, and gamers on 7 may miss out on whatever effects or optimization come as a result.
hemtae
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For next gen high end PC people will be able to get 1080p60 easily. Also when was multi display support announced?
joeygreco1985
Member
What Metro apps will actually use DirectX 11.1? Those apps are primarily for tablet users and I don't think there are Directx 11.1 graphics chips in Win RT tablets.
Angelus Errare
Banned
An unfinished game had framerate issues.
Please tell me more.
Riiight.
Anyone making a PS3 game since it doesn't use Direct X? ID doesn't even use OpenGL anymore.
Or are you talking on the PC platform where they simply port the 360 version of games?
PapaJustify
Member
Yeah DX11 but not DX11.1 so even if Nextbox supports up to DX11.1 nobody is forced to use this little (almost forgettable) list of features. Sticking with DX11.0 will bring us through next-gen perfectly fine, I believe.
And DX11.0 is available for Win7.
Like I said... If that were the case, Star Wars 1313 would be running in 60fps.
It's like people aren't realizing what a true DX11 game is.
A far cry from something like Medal of Honor: Warfighter being demoed at 60fps on PC at E3.
Medal of Honor was unfinished... And running in 60fps. Backpedal all you want.
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Might want to upgrade to Win7, while you still can (unless you just build your own PC and install the OS yourself).
afternoon delight
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This, so many times over. At least Msoft makes it an easy choice! BRB installing Windows 2000.