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[amar212]

If I was crazy-rich I would love to buy Codemaster and re-organize its racing studio into two branches. .....

And you would go bankrupt month after the release of the first IP.

It is not 1999 any more, games cost dozen million+ to develop, not just million or two. There is a great reason why classic sim-market is no more hard-core - and will never be in the way we grown up with it - and the reason is ludicrous cost of development opposite to actual potential of the sales per-IP.

The only way hard-core market for driving games on consoles can survive - with exception of current platform leaders (GT and Forza) which could go for years on current model purely because their overall influence on the market - is transforming the niche into "subscription platform", opposite to current "separate release", in way iRacing is doing it on the PC.

But paradox is that probably those two leaders will be the first to implement such model in years to come, while other "players" in the genre will stay in current model purely because of the costs and actual lack of potential (both content and presentation wise) in order to attract greater number of potential users.

I wrote a few elaborations on that matter in past year and I see no way that your idea can sustain current situation on the market.

You can dream about establishing a hard-core studio that could make all our dreams come true, but reality would kill you instantly.

 

[Blimblim]

I'm guessing that there won't be much difference b/w 360 and PS3... pretty sure there wasn't one for either Dirt 2 or F1 2010.

The biggest difference was the QAA on the PS3, making the game look a bit blurrier.

 

[hurahn]

Damn, some of yall are really something else. Gymkhana existed well before Ken Block. Don't get upset because he saw a way to make money. It's not as popular as you think. Ken Block is more popular than the sport itself. If you like Dirt 3 then support codemasters or just fire up RBR. It's not going anywhere.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Has anyone stumbled upon a PS3/360/PC comparison yet?

more here
http://www.pcgames.de/Dirt-3-PC-234...360-und-Playstation-3-825635/galerie/1521121/

 

[Sanjay]

Console ports look good.

 

[Label]

Does anybody know if the PC version supports the Driving Force GT wheel? I think I am going to have to buy this as it has my favourite car in the world in! (The Mini of course)

 

[Kyaw]

Does anybody know if the PC version supports the Driving Force GT wheel? I think I am going to have to buy this as it has my favourite car in the world in! (The Mini of course)

Yes it does.

 

[Label]

Yes it does.

Shweet, cheers.

 

[Android18a]

Neat

Can we customise our licence plates in this game? I'm sure I played a few games in the Xbox Original era which let you do that.

 

[Diablohead]

Neat

Can we customise our licence plates in this game? I'm sure I played a few games in the Xbox Original era which let you do that.

PGR1 and MSR allowed it, Dirt doesn't though.

 

[Sethos]

Why was I under the impression game would unlock today? Imagine my disappointment when I got home, opened Steam and saw "Unlocks in 1 day, 4 hours" - Dammit

 

[mclaren777]

You can dream about establishing a hard-core studio that could make all our dreams come true, but reality would kill you instantly.

I'd be fine with breaking even or even losing a few million dollars per year.

But most of the tech and art assets would be identical between the May/November releases so I don't think development costs would be too bad. The main differences would be interface, handling, and small tweaks that made each game feel more realistic or "cool".

 

[mxgt]

Why was I under the impression game would unlock today? Imagine my disappointment when I got home, opened Steam and saw "Unlocks in 1 day, 4 hours" - Dammit

Yeah I was hoping it unlocked at midnight.

Sucks.

 

[amar212]

I'd be fine with breaking even or even losing a few million dollars per year..

This discussion really belongs in off-topic, but please McL

If there was ANY money to be made on hard-core audience, don't you think we would see more hard-core games instead of plague of simcade we're witnessing in past years?

Man, iRacing have only 20.000 subscribers and that is a reality-check figure #1.

You can't make a sustainable model that would cater both casual and hard-core, not even in the unified product and not even to speak about separating same IP into 2 venues. Just look what happened to Shift.

We're talking millions of money here for establishing, developing and introducing a new IP to already oversaturated niche, saying you'd be fine with losing few millions per year is just plain crazy (no insult intended).

However, I would like to cater debate on this, although probably not in the thread that have nothing to do with it.

 

[1-D_FTW]

I'd be fine with breaking even or even losing a few million dollars per year.

But most of the tech and art assets would be identical between the May/November releases so I don't think development costs would be too bad. The main differences would be interface, handling, and small tweaks that made each game feel more realistic or "cool".

I think the best you could possibly do would be to release the core game that completely omitted the sim-model, then have DLC for 20 dollars that opened up the sim version. This way you could help pay for the more elaborate driving model and since it's DLC, casuals wouldn't have the psychological issue about sucking at the hardcore mode. This way they could crank it up to the most difficult and still be god with the base game. DLC for 20 bucks and "no content" wouldn't be appealing, so the casuals wouldn't even care about it. There would be no ego bruising involved with this method.

 

[op_ivy]

I think the best you could possibly do would be to release the core game that completely omitted the sim-model, then have DLC for 20 dollars that opened up the sim version. This way you could help pay for the more elaborate driving model and since it's DLC, casuals wouldn't have the psychological issue about sucking at the hardcore mode. This way they could crank it up to the most difficult and still be god with the base game. DLC for 20 bucks and "no content" wouldn't be appealing, so the casuals wouldn't even care about it. There would be no ego bruising involved with this method.

so, 80 dollars for those of us that would prefer the sim setting? no thanks

 

[Domstercool]

Errr, I just got a weird glitch, the graphics and the hud was going at like 2 fps O_O I have it on video as I was recording, uploading now! O_O

 

[Feindflug]

more here
http://www.pcgames.de/Dirt-3-PC-234...360-und-Playstation-3-825635/galerie/1521121/

Excellent work from Codemasters, all three versions look simply amazing - PC version's awesomeness is expected but seeing how good the console versions look is very impressive.

DiRT 1&2 are the only racing games (along with Burnout Paradise) that I played this gen...I love the series - can't wait to get my 360 copy this week.

 

[1-D_FTW]

so, 80 dollars for those of us that would prefer the sim setting? no thanks

Vs 60 bucks with no sim setting that we get at present? I'm not advocating you remove anything. I'm saying you ship the base games as they are (with sim-arcade modes if you remove all the aides.) But you then allow a true sim-mode that's available as DLC that's hardcore. It's the only way you'll ever solve the ego-bruising that prevents true sim modes in mainstream titles.

 

[Domstercool]

http://youtu.be/Lqx46-QJURo?hd=1

Here is the video for the glitch, weird

 

[mclaren777]

Here is the video for the glitch, weird

How/why are you already using that Tacoma? Is it really that easy to unlock/buy?

 

[Neuromancer]

Neat

Can we customise our licence plates in this game? I'm sure I played a few games in the Xbox Original era which let you do that.

I wish.. Far too few games let you do that. Midnight Club: LA is the only this gen game I can think of. Oh maybe Mafia 2 (I know that's not a racing game though.)

 

[Domstercool]

You don't buy cars, you just unlock them. I'm not sure what the level is to get that car but I must have had it since halfway through season 2.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

EDGE Review - 9/10

HYPEHYPEHYPE

 

[Neuromancer]

EDGE Review - 9/10

HYPEHYPEHYPE

Aw shit son

 

[Sethos]

EDGE Review - 9/10

HYPEHYPEHYPE

I think my reaction can only be explained like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTya267fe1Y

 

[Domstercool]

Awesome, but yeah I knew it was good anyway

 

[Square Triangle]

Those comparison screenshots are amazingly the same. Awesome work Codies.

EDGE Review - 9/10

HYPEHYPEHYPE

Holy shit.

 

[Sanjay]

http://youtu.be/Lqx46-QJURo?hd=1

Here is the video for the glitch, weird

Looks like your flux capacitor is out of juice.

 

[mxgt]

Fuck yeah Steam unlock just changed from a 1 day to 6 hours

 

[derFeef]

Fuck yeah Steam unlock just changed from a 1 day to 6 hours

Holy shit!

 

[Sanjay]

WOOT, 5 HOURS!

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Fuck yeah Steam unlock just changed from a 1 day to 6 hours

 

[gillty]

11 hours til unlock on Steam here.

Looks like a 9pm PST/12pm EST unlock.

 

[Square Triangle]

Fuck yeah Steam unlock just changed from a 1 day to 6 hours

 

[Sethos]

Fuck yeah Steam unlock just changed from a 1 day to 6 hours

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Nvm

 

[mr stroke]

more here
http://www.pcgames.de/Dirt-3-PC-234...360-und-Playstation-3-825635/galerie/1521121/

I am I blind or do all those look the same?

 

[Neuromancer]

I am I blind or do all those look the same?

Damn near. The brickwork in the PS version is a little blurrier in the picture on the left, but who cares?

 

[DenogginizerOS]

I am torn between getting the ps3 version or PC. I have credit on amazon for this but can't buy the pc version on amazon. Damn.

 

[Gandie]

When does it unlock on D2D?

 

[Orgun]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/473845/GIF/Hej.gif

Hahahahaha, I lost it.

Also

Hell yes!

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Decided to go with the PC version. Looking forward to some races with my Steammates.

 

[metareferential]

Bought on Steam.

Damn, I wasn't expecting an early release. I've yet to start downloading it.

 

[DKo5]

I am so ready.

 

[XeroSauce]

Alright, done and bought along with the PoP bundle.

Let's do this.

 

[f0rk]

Do Dirt games usually get a lasting online PC GAF community?

 

[AcridMeat]

Do Dirt games usually get a lasting online PC GAF community?

From the sound of it we'll have a strong PC community. I'll definitely be playing a while, until F1 2011 comes around.

 

[Gandie]

I hope this unlocks at midnight on D2D, don't wanna wait til tomorrow after work to play :/

 

[InertiaXr]

I hope this unlocks at midnight on D2D, don't wanna wait til tomorrow after work to play :/

It was suppose to be out the 23rd anyways, no way it can go past midnight still locked.