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Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten |OT| - Defend The Prinnies, Define Your Netherworld.
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Dedication Through Light
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Scalpel Knight said:
Some grinding is suggested or else it will be frustrating close to end game with cheap geopanel effects.
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Gah I wish I had a PS3 for this game. :|
Sqorgar said:
I feel kinda guilty since I was one of the first on here with the guide, and I wasn't nearly vocal enough about just how fucking awful it is. Probably could've saved more people the money.
I think Brady gets a lot of undeserved shit most of the time too. Other than FFIX their guides are usually competent at worst, but the D4 guide is somehow both the most bare bones guide possible AND incorrect half the time.
Ugh... Can't. Stop. Item World.
I just completed Chapter 4 and I've been in the Item World for hours. I've item level 12 (and no matter what I'm buying it isn't raising...) and at this point I'm just grinding my guys, reincarnating some, getting better items, making those better, levelling, getting better skills, on and on.
I just completed Chapter 4 and I've been in the Item World for hours. I've item level 12 (and no matter what I'm buying it isn't raising...) and at this point I'm just grinding my guys, reincarnating some, getting better items, making those better, levelling, getting better skills, on and on.
Audioboxer
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Considering whether or not to import to the UK... I can actually get it cheaper imported than it will be when released next month over here haha.
Unsure whether or not it will tank in price in the UK market or have low shipping numbers and remain fairly highly priced.
Unsure whether or not it will tank in price in the UK market or have low shipping numbers and remain fairly highly priced.
Dedication Through Light
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BobM said:
If one feels over powered for the story they can always just pass Stronger Enemy topics? I imagine that would shoot the enemies late main game to the hundreds levels.
lljride said:
I'll be honest, I'm kind of glad the guide is shitty so I have a reason to figure out the game mechanics rather than reading about them. Disgaea 3 is my least favorite simply because there was nothing to solve :/
Dedication Through Light said:
Each bill is +(20%*BaseLevel) + 2 or 5*BaseLevel + 40 after passing all 20, making the highest level in the main game around Level 540 after all bills are passed.
Daichi said:
Those spreadsheets are pretty useful, though of course there's a few things to be translated/updated still.
What I'd really like to find is some sort of optimizer for doing cam-pain evil symbol layouts to maximize character gain. Though I'm guessing that could be very complex to solve for when you go adding extra squares to them in chara world.
Crash Station
Member
Beat it at level 145. Final boss was super easy because of that.
Story was alright. It's Disgaea, so whatever. Kind of disappointed with the villain after being surprisingly impressed by 3's, but oh well. Can't wait to start the post-game.
Story was alright. It's Disgaea, so whatever. Kind of disappointed with the villain after being surprisingly impressed by 3's, but oh well. Can't wait to start the post-game.
I think that's a bit beyond what we can do with a spreadsheet. Might need a separate program all together. I think I read that you can edit the evil symbols that you upgrade anytime. So it might not be a big issue. (I could be wrong.)Nista said:
I think the best thing to do is clear the board of symbols, toss everyone you can in the waiting room (whatever it's called), and place the symbols without having to worry about other characters taking up all the space.
Daichi said:
Nah, you can edit them an infinite amount of times so it's never really an issue.
As for maximizing the effects of them all ... I dunno. I mean, there's a lot of them you'll want to have down and I haven't begun to think of it, really. The most I've concerned myself with is getting all the Cabinet Members boosts down so my leveling core (Humanoid + 4x Monsters) all got the benefits for everything.
...not that this is really necessary, after the calculations I ran for max stats kind of making it really, really easy to hit the 99,999,999 mark all things considered.
BobM said:
Do you mean the Cabinet bonuses? If so, they merely grant a percentage bonus to the level up gains to the person in that position and every person in every single one of their Evil Symbols. They also all stack.
Here's the breakdown:
All+ - +5%
All++ - +10%
Stat+ - +12.5%
Stat++ - +25%
I'm not 100% conclusive on the values (might be 10%/20% on the single stat bonuses) but they're "close enough" to get a feel for it right now.
So you can put, say, the President (All++), Education (All+), Trade (ATK++), and Judicial (ATK+) in Training Grounds; when any one of those characters levels up, that character will get +52.5% Bonus to their ATK growth and +15% to all their other stats.
The only other bonus I can think of is that the Leader of an Evil Symbol gets a percentage of the stats of the others in the Evil Symbol; it's not permanent, however, and has nothing to do with the level gains. Just merely put someone in the Leader position and then they get a boost to their stats; remove them and they immediately lose it.
BobM said:
Sort of. You don't actually have to be close to them on the Cam-Pain board, just in the same Evil Symbol. There's some Evil Symbols (Blight House, for instance) that have no members anywhere near each other but the bonus still works. The "close by" thing is kind of misleading since physical proximity is irrelevant.
Incidentally, if you play your cards right, you can have one character in something like 11 or so Evil Symbols, all giving that bonus out. Though, I prefer just getting all the bonuses on a core group (my Humanoid + 4 Monsters that level together due to Dual Giant Magichange use) so they get every single stat boost applied for maximum possible stats.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Don't do what I did.
I was facing off against the
for the first time. I was trying to level a Prinny so I magi-changed it onto Valvatorez as a bow. I went up to two of them with and used Valzy's ultimate skill. Becuase of the 100% Defense Geopanel, which was going to be destroyed when the two enemies are hit, the skill wasn't going to kill the enemies completely. The two enemies blew up and my Valvatorez dissapeared 
At first I didn't even know what happened. I was like how the hell did the explosion kill Valvatorez? He's not that weak. And then I realized what happened......
I even read the description of the enemy beforehand too....
I was facing off against the
bio suits
At first I didn't even know what happened. I was like how the hell did the explosion kill Valvatorez? He's not that weak. And then I realized what happened......
I even read the description of the enemy beforehand too....
Dedication Through Light
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Trojita said:Don't do what I did.
I was facing off against thefor the first time. I was trying to level a Prinny so I magi-changed it onto Valvatorez as a bow. I went up to two of them with and used Valzy's ultimate skill. Becuase of the 100% Defense Geopanel, which was going to be destroyed when the two enemies are hit, the skill wasn't going to kill the enemies completely. The two enemies blew up and my Valvatorez dissapearedbio suits
At first I didn't even know what happened. I was like how the hell did the explosion kill Valvatorez? He's not that weak. And then I realized what happened......
I even read the description of the enemy beforehand too....
I dislike their evility.
Master Milk
Member
I hope this means the other DLC is planned to be released soon.Luigi87 said:
Crash Station
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Luigi87 said:
For a limited time or forever?
cosmicblizzard said:
Nobody really knows :/ It doesn't seem to even work right now either way (probably needs an Update patch). I know it was intended to be free in Japan when it originally released but was released with a price tag (though, I think that was to support the relief effort kind of thing).
We'll see, I suppose.
Akselziys said:I need Prier
Also, an HD La Pucelle or HD Marl game in general would be amazing <3
If only... I've never played La Pucelle, but damn I want to, even if it isn't as good as Disgaea.
Also, I am going to guess that HD Asagi is free forever (mentioned Free in the PS Store update blog).
I am guessing they have possibly stopped taking in donations in regards to relief.
Master Milk
Member
You're not missing much. Seeing where everyone's favorite Demon Overlord got her start was fun, but like you said, the game isn't as good as Disgaea. Of course, that's because it came before Disgaea. It's fun to connect the dots between Pucelle's systems and Disgaea's.Luigi87 said:
I also wish they'd bring back Eclair!
Dedication Through Light
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Master Milk said:
I hope they put Almaz up as fast as humanly possible and Kurtis (non Prinny)
Master Milk
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Almaz? Ewww. They released him in Japan?Dedication Through Light said:
Looking around, it doesn't look like it, so you might be out of luck unless I missed something, which is very possible.
I'm looking forward to most of the DLC so far though, Prier, Zetta's daughter, Pram, Pleinair, and NISA-chan the most.
I haven't done much post game, so I haven't seen the bigger spells, but apparently the Omega spells are all cameos? That's cool. I need to find the time to play this game some more. >_>
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Whelp I'll be getting a PS3 this week along with Disgaea 4. How important are the stories of the other games?
Master Milk
Member
Not important at all.nicoga3000 said:
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Master Milk said:
Perfect, thanks!
Master Milk
Member
Throwing, maybe. Probably fist skills, too. I just used tink in 3, and I'll be using Desco in 4, though, so I could be wrong.Trojita said:
Absoludacrous
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Master Milk said:
Yea, fist skills. Can use them to move the exit guards when you get to levels so high you couldn't kill them.
I know I am WAY behind you guys (to much work, not enough hours for gaming) BUT I just got to the stage
(havent beat it yet was too cocky and tired, tried to power my way through, got killed, and then had to go to bed)
BUT WOW!!!! DESCO is SOOOOOOOO COOL! I CANT WAIT to see how she gets woven into the story. She is great!!
On a side note, i saw pics today of the trading figurines that come with the super premium edition. I am SOOOO mad i didnt know about them and didnt special order that edition. They look AWESOME. I am going to have to look into buying them online. I am scared that people will be charging an arm and a leg for them though. I RALLY want those figurines!
where Axel and Emizel release DESCO.
BUT WOW!!!! DESCO is SOOOOOOOO COOL! I CANT WAIT to see how she gets woven into the story. She is great!!
On a side note, i saw pics today of the trading figurines that come with the super premium edition. I am SOOOO mad i didnt know about them and didnt special order that edition. They look AWESOME. I am going to have to look into buying them online. I am scared that people will be charging an arm and a leg for them though. I RALLY want those figurines!
I'm currently in the middle of Episode 3, and really have no problems. This game is so fun. I'll admit, I am neglecting my Prinny and cat. I never use them except for being sacrifical lambs. AM I DOING IT WRONG?
No, srsly, should I be leveling my Prinny and maybe adding a monster? I never feel all that compelled to use Magichange.
I'm just trying to get through the main story. If I decide to venture further into the item world, I don't know yet.
I paid only $40 for this game (thank you overstock + promo code), I can't believe how much replay value is offered thanks to the IW.
No, srsly, should I be leveling my Prinny and maybe adding a monster? I never feel all that compelled to use Magichange.
I'm just trying to get through the main story. If I decide to venture further into the item world, I don't know yet.
I paid only $40 for this game (thank you overstock + promo code), I can't believe how much replay value is offered thanks to the IW.
Dedication Through Light
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Diablos said:
Just put them into one of your evil symbol groups so they can leech of EXP from your other fights. I find their higher skills better though so maybe using them is to ones benefit. It was annoying trying to figure out how to work them in. One of the cats skills is quite deadly based on enemies using it against me.
Ok.
Aww crap, I should have got this. I didn't know if I'd like the game or not (this is my first Disgaea). OH WELL.BobM said:On a side note, i saw pics today of the trading figurines that come with the super premium edition. I am SOOOO mad i didnt know about them and didnt special order that edition. They look AWESOME. I am going to have to look into buying them online. I am scared that people will be charging an arm and a leg for them though. I RALLY want those figurines!
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Magichange is fucking awesome when the monsters are on par with other characters.
Evil Symbols, Magichange, and Fusion have made leveling easy as hell.
Level Valvatorez to 500 having people leach EXP and Mana from him via Evil Symbols. Equip low level monster to him via magichange. Wreck motherfuckers till the monster is level 500. Reincarnate Valvatorez to level 1 and magichange the level 500 monster to him. Wreck shit again.
With Magichange and Fusion each character gets 100% of the EXP and Mana!
This is actually the first Disgaea that I'm actually seriously leveling the monster characters.
Evil Symbols, Magichange, and Fusion have made leveling easy as hell.
Level Valvatorez to 500 having people leach EXP and Mana from him via Evil Symbols. Equip low level monster to him via magichange. Wreck motherfuckers till the monster is level 500. Reincarnate Valvatorez to level 1 and magichange the level 500 monster to him. Wreck shit again.
With Magichange and Fusion each character gets 100% of the EXP and Mana!
This is actually the first Disgaea that I'm actually seriously leveling the monster characters.