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Disney’s Frozen [OT] – They Pulled Another Tangled!

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zroid

Banned
ZoddGutts said:
Why not? Still would like to hear how her powers came to be and those trolls. Never liked missing details. Movie just gave a rush feeling to it. At least with Tangled it was explained as to why she had long blond hair and had healing powers.
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With Tangled, the origin story very much played into how the plot resolved itself, though. With Frozen, it would've been extraneous. And it's a kids' movie, so brevity is paramount. I can appreciate wanting to know more details however, hopefully we will get to see those storyboards or whatever.
 
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AuthenticM

Member
ZoddGutts said:
Why not? Still would like to hear how her powers came to be and those trolls. Never liked missing details. Movie just gave a rush feeling to it. At least with Tangled it was explained as to why she had long blond hair and had healing powers.
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Well in Tangled, the movie needed to show Rapunzel's kidnapping and tell why she was kidnapped, so explaining her power's origins made sense. In Frozen, it's quite irrelevant.

And about the trolls, the movies shows the king opening a book about them right after Anna is struck by Elsa's power, saying "I know where to go", so there you go.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
The intro really felt like a clumsy version of what Pixar did with Up's opening montage. They just wanted to get rid of all that exposition, which is fair, but they literally just wrote the parents out of the movie with a single scene.
 
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AuthenticM

Member
firehawk12 said:
They just wanted to get rid of all that exposition, which is fair, but they literally just wrote the parents out of the movie with a single scene.
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I don't see a problem with that. I think it would have been a mistake to expand upon and dwell on it. The film wants to emphasize Elsa and Anna's relationship, not their relationship with their parents. The parents aren't important. Giving them more screentime would have been a distraction to the detriment of the narration.

Anyway, I was checking out Disney France's youtube channel and came upon the French trailer for Frozen. As expected, the actors' performances are terrible (especially Kristoff, holy shit), but that's not why I'm sharing this. If you click here, it'll get you to a (very brief) cut scene from the film, showing a seemingly-antagonist Elsa. I don't recall seeing it in the English trailer, so I'm sharing it with you guys.
 
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kirblar

Member
In the early drafts her powers were due to a deal with a King long ago and the trolls. It's why they "know where to go." The whole Troll thing needed to be seriously re-evaluated when they cut the origin, imo.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
AuthenticM said:
I don't see a problem with that. I think it would have been a mistake to expand upon and dwell on it. The film wants to emphasize Elsa and Anna's relationship, not their relationship with their parents. The parents aren't important. Giving them more screentime would have been a distraction to the detriment of the narration.
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Honestly, it feels like they wanted to keep Do You Want to Build a Snowman and had to build an entire intro sequence around that, and I think the film suffers a bit for it. You could have just started with Elsa being isolated and Anna being afraid of a sister she's never seen before and probably threw in a well-timed flashback if you really needed to try to explain why they were orphaned somewhere later in the movie.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
Rated-G said:
For the most part they are all remastered. I actually know some people who work at the Disney Archives and helped restore most of the Diamond Editions. For almost all of the films (Fantasia being the sole exception) all of the preserved layouts and uncleared cels were references to restore the colors to how they were in their original theatrical formats or how they look to the naked eye. It doesn't sit well with people who grew up with the VHS copies, as many claim it ruined the look of the films, but personally I'd rather see them as close to the original intent as possible. They all look and sound fantastic.

The Diamond Editions also usually have a plethora of special features, deleted scenes, songs, archival commentary from Walt himself, behind the scenes featurettes, are galleries, work in progress versions of the film, etc. Something I wish they'd have kept going was the Cine-Explore option that most early Pixar and Disney Blu-rays had.

If you're a fan of the films, and interested in special features, I highly recommend them.
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Out of curiosity do you know what's holding up Aladdin's Blu-ray release in the US? It's already out in the UK.
 
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AuthenticM

Member
firehawk12 said:
Honestly, it feels like they wanted to keep Do You Want to Build a Snowman and had to build an entire intro sequence around that, and I think the film suffers a bit for it. You could have just started with Elsa being isolated and Anna being afraid of a sister she's never seen before and probably threw in a well-timed flashback if you really needed to try to explain why they were orphaned somewhere later in the movie.
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It's the first time I hear someone say that Do You Want To Build A Snowman should have been cut. I believe that cutting it would be the gravest mistake the directors could have done. The sisters' relationship and its evolution would have greatly suffered from it. Flashbacks rarely work; they feel forced most of the time and hurt the pace. Establishing the relationship between the sisters and killing the parents in the introduction sets the mood perfectly and allows the rest of the film to focus on the sisters, without interruption.
 
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zroid

Banned
AuthenticM said:
It's the first time I hear someone say that Do You Want To Build A Snowman should have been cut. I believe that cutting it would be the gravest mistake the directors could have done. The sisters' relationship and its evolution would have greatly suffered from it. Flashbacks rarely work; they feel forced most of the time and hurt the pace. Establishing the relationship between the sisters and killing the parents in the introduction sets the mood perfectly and allows the rest of the film to focus on the sisters, without interruption.
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I agree with this. No, the opening "tragedy" wasn't executed as brilliantly as Up (what is?), but it set the tone very well. Elsa would have been a much less sympathetic character without these scenes.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Well, since hearing that Elsa was meant to be a villain, it just makes the intro feel a bit hacked together to me, especially if their intent was to try to soften the character. Why bother introducing the parents only to write them off a few moments later in the most detached manner possible?

Although I suppose having all the exposition gone up front is probably the better compromise, especially for a kids movie.
 
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AuthenticM

Member
Tashbrooke said:
What do we think of demi lovatos version of let it go guys?
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I like it. It's not as good as Menzel's rendition, but it's still good, and it's also different and serves as a good "remix" for the film's end credits. I like that they start with a different version of the song instead of the same one we've heard in the film.

Atraveller said:
I was just browsing Frozen stuff, then I came across this site.
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I see. Thanks.
 
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Rubbish King

The gift that keeps on giving
AuthenticM said:
I like it. It's not as good as Menzel's rendition, but it's still good, and it's also different and serves as a good "remix" for the film's end credits. I like that they start with a different version of the song instead of the same one we've heard in the film.



I see. Thanks.
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Pretty much my opinion ^_^
DrForester said:
I honestly don't get the hate. Obviously not as good as the film version, but it's a totally competent cover.
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also she looks pretty hot

Atraveller said:
There's...hate?
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I know RIGHT?!
 
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Makoto Yuki

Banned
Just watched it recently. I went in with little expectations, since Disney's other computer animated movies, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, and Wreck-it Ralph all sucked. I just did not like any of them very much.

Tangled was great though, the only Disney Computer animated movie that was enjoyable, until now.

Wow, just, wow. Frozen blew away my expectations. Such a fun, lively, tour de force of music and magic. A glittering white gem that managed to put a smile on my face and laughter in the air. Anna and Elsa are the best Disney Princesses ever. "Let it Go" and the gorgeously crafted animated sequence that portrayed it will forever be one of Disney's finest moments. It's funny the movie is called Frozen, because by the end of it my heart was a warm with love.
 
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Atraveller

Banned
TheBatman said:
Couldn't tell you, I don't work there.

How did you enjoy it?
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The film is still amazing, the 3D effect, is good, but it is nowhere near Up, it could be the theater though, I can't say for sure before I get my hands on the 3D blu. Speaking of which, Disney really need to get their shit together.

Some funny stuff during the movie, when Hans
was revealed as the villain
, there was a girl who said "Wha~" out loud, then we all laughed. And there was a kid crying "Nooo~" when
Anna froze
, that cracked us up.
 
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Lee Chaolan

Member
Atraveller said:
The film is still amazing, the 3D effect, is good, but it is nowhere near Up, it could be the theater though, I can't say for sure before I get my hands on the 3D blu. Speaking of which, Disney really need to get their shit together.

Some funny stuff during the movie, when Hans
was revealed as the villain
, there was a girl who said "Wha~" out loud, then we all laughed. And there was a kid crying "Nooo~" when
Anna froze
, that cracked us up.
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I know, I'm so upset at lack of 3D Blu-Ray initially :( I'm sure it has to be coming though....

As for Hans
My 5 year old niece refuses to accept Hans is a bad guy. haha

Makoto Yuki said:
Wow, just, wow. Frozen blew away my expectations. Such a fun, lively, tour de force of music and magic. A glittering white gem that managed to put a smile on my face and laughter in the air. Anna and Elsa are the best Disney Princesses ever. "Let it Go" and the gorgeously crafted animated sequence that portrayed it will forever be one of Disney's finest moments. It's funny the movie is called Frozen, because by the end of it my heart was a warm with love.
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Nicely said. :)
 
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Atraveller

Banned
Tashbrooke said:
FUCKIN YUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSS
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It's not showing up on my preorder page though, probably just an update thing.

Edit: Top of the page again.
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zroid

Banned
About those mugs, it's probably a crapshoot, but if they happen to be in stock from Feb 13-17, you can get 25% off from disneystore.com with the promo code "DISNEYPAL"
 
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Rated-G

Member
Aaron Strife said:
Out of curiosity do you know what's holding up Aladdin's Blu-ray release in the US? It's already out in the UK.
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No idea. Though I do know Aladdin and Tarzan were rumored to be released in 3D a la The Little Mermaid's release last October. Maybe they reevaluated that decision after the way the remastering was handled, or maybe the lack of information about Frozen's US 3D Blu release is also indicative that Aladdin's 3D version is cancelled? (Though never officially announced)...

I know the US releases are usually deemed superior to the international, as they usually get more special features and such, but I'm not sure what dictates the release dates. I've been dying for Aladdin to come to Blu myself.
 
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