Disney, release the original Star Wars movies already!

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Yes! Bring fat Vader back to RotJ ending!

Maybe Lucas made Disney sign something that prevents them from ever releasing the originals. So his vision will remain true. >_<
 
My pitch for the next National Treasure film is to have Nick Cage break into the National Film Registry to steal a copy of the unaltered OT.

The National Film Registry doesn't have a copy.

Request Denied: Lucas Refuses to Co-Operate with Government Film Preservation Organizations

The Library of Congress admitted that the National Film Registry was not successful in obtaining the original print from Lucasfilm, and that Lucasfilm had attempted to persuade them to preserve the 1997 Special Edition 35mm instead. They also had dire news on the copyright depository prints.

The following is the response from the Library of Congress' librarian Zoran Sinobad:

"While both STAR WARS (1977) and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (1980) are on the National Film Registry, the Library has not yet acquired new prints of either one. When the request was made for STAR WARS, Lucasfilm offered us the Special Edition version. The offer was declined as this was obviously not the version that had been selected for the Registry. We have not yet requested a print of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, added to the Registry late last year."
So there it is. The National Film Registry can at least be commended for declining the offer to store the Special Edition, as it conflicts with their mandate. So, it seems, they never had a print ever. But, the news may be even worse: not only does the NFR not have an original Star Wars print, they don't have any version. Of course, do you really think they will be provided with a 1980 print of Empire Strikes Back? Of course not.
 
I've mentioned it before but the way that CBS handled the Star Trek TV show restorations were exemplary and a great template on how Star Wars should be handled.

They went back to the original negative wherever possible and re-did all of the special effects. Laser blasts and all exterior shots were fixed and re-done in CGI and (most importantly) it was done in a way to match the original style of the show. The result is that NONE of the effects look out of whack and unless you know about the changes, you don't even notice it.

Below is a link to the work they did...
http://trekmovie.com/2009/04/21/review-star-trek-the-original-series-season-1-blu-ray/
The best part is that you are not bound to the new stuff...the original effects are still there and you can switch to and from them on the fly...its the best of both worlds.
 
Maybe Lucas made Disney sign something that prevents them from ever releasing the originals. So his vision will remain true. >_<

Nope.

Lucas didn't "make" Disney sign anything. In fact, according to most reports, it was the other way around: Disney wouldn't close until Lucas gave EVERYTHING up - including all the notes he's ever had EVER. He went on record with at least one publication that such a request made him think about walking from the deal momentarily, before he realized he was essentially just hoarding for the sake of it at that point.

Like mattp said - it's an eventuality that the originals will be released in hi-def at some point. It's just a matter of how long the aggressive negotiations between Fox and Disney go.
 
Forgive my ignorance but I thought Disney fans were upset at how their older animations have had all the colours brightened up (i.e. oversaturated...apparently Bambi isn't so bad) for their blu-ray releases? Doesn't this make them a bad candidate for Star Wars classic as they've proven they will change things that don't need changing?
 
Jokes aside, my ideal version is the theratrical one with updated lightsabers / blaster bolts or whatever. No greedo shot first nonsense or silly cg animal additions, but I'm not really angry if they want to update a couple of vfx shots.

Absolutely fine with this, but if I have to give this up just to have the actual original versions then so be it.
 
Forgive my ignorance but I thought Disney fans were upset at how their older animations have had all the colours brightened up (i.e. oversaturated...apparently Bambi isn't so bad) for their blu-ray releases? Doesn't this make them a bad candidate for Star Wars classic as they've proven they will change things that don't need changing?

No, not really. Especially considering Lucasfilm is under the same sort of fan complaints for the rush job they had Lowry digital do back in 2004, which led to efforts like the Despecialized editions, which didn't just remove effects, but re-color-timed the whole damn trilogy.

It's not a matter of which studio is in charge, anyway. It's a matter of who that studio hires to do the work.

It's not like a guy named Frank Disney sits down with a copy of Premiere and a blu-ray and "fixes" things, or Joe Lucasfilm snorts a couple rails of Walter's Crystal Blue Persuasion and just beats the shit out of AviSynth for a couple weeks before turning it in :)
 
No, not really. Especially considering Lucasfilm is under the same sort of fan complaints for the rush job they had Lowry digital do back in 2004, which led to efforts like the Despecialized editions, which didn't just remove effects, but re-color-timed the whole damn trilogy.

It's not a matter of which studio is in charge, anyway. It's a matter of who that studio hires to do the work.

It's not like a guy named Frank Disney sits down with a copy of Premiere and a blu-ray and "fixes" things, or Joe Lucasfilm snorts a couple rails of Walter's Crystal Blue Persuasion and just beats the shit out of AviSynth for a couple weeks before turning it in :)


If they are smart they will give Robert Harris the job of remastering original prints from private collectors. Harris has done a marvellous job on restoring a lot of great films. His work on restoring the original workprint of Its a Mad Mad Mad Mad World for the Criterion release is something to behold.
 
If they are smart they will give Robert Harris the job of remastering original prints from private collectors. Harris has done a marvellous job on restoring a lot of great films. His work on restoring the original workprint of Its a Mad Mad Mad Mad World for the Criterion release is something to behold.

Dude's gone on the record multiple times as saying he's more than down.

The problem is that again - original prints from private collectors isn't going to happen. If Disney contacts "private collectors," those collectors aren't keeping their prints. Disney will take them. No way they don't. So you'd have to find a private collector willing to cough up their print after all these years. I seriously doubt there's many (if any) willing to do that.
 
Dude's gone on the record multiple times as saying he's more than down.

The problem is that again - original prints from private collectors isn't going to happen. If Disney contacts "private collectors," those collectors aren't keeping their prints. Disney will take them. No way they don't. So you'd have to find a private collector willing to cough up their print after all these years. I seriously doubt there's many (if any) willing to do that.

There are prints much rarer than Star Wars that somehow manage to show up in a warehouse in Brazil or somewhere. I can't believe this is beyond Disney's abilities, if they're so inclined.
 
There are prints much rarer than Star Wars that somehow manage to show up in a warehouse in Brazil or somewhere. I can't believe this is beyond Disney's abilities, if they're so inclined.

Part of the reason those prints are rare is because the demand for them wasn't AS high, and they sort of fell out of people's front-of-mind.

That's never really happened with Star Wars, for obvious reasons :)

It's not a matter of Disney's "abilities," or whatever. They don't even NEED to find old prints in the first place - they can recreate the original cuts with the materials they now own. In fact, it might be EASIER to work with what they have than to send out an army of film archaeologists to scour garages and salt mines for lost reels of the original trilogy.
 
Forgive my ignorance but I thought Disney fans were upset at how their older animations have had all the colours brightened up (i.e. oversaturated...apparently Bambi isn't so bad) for their blu-ray releases? Doesn't this make them a bad candidate for Star Wars classic as they've proven they will change things that don't need changing?

Generally Disney does excellent remastering jobs. A couple of bad B-tier ones (e.g. Sword in the Stone, Robin Hood) but all the major releases have looked amazing.

Star Wars is too big a release with too many fans who'll pore over every detail for them to not knock it out of the park.
 
The problem is that again - original prints from private collectors isn't going to happen. If Disney contacts "private collectors," those collectors aren't keeping their prints. Disney will take them. No way they don't. So you'd have to find a private collector willing to cough up their print after all these years. I seriously doubt there's many (if any) willing to do that.

Take it with a grain of salt, of course, but this is from the link I posted above:

All seemed well, until I received an email earlier this year from a professional film restorationist. I cannot print his name, as he volunteered under secrecy, but he is known in the field. And, he mentioned, regularly did business with the Library of Congress in their preservation efforts. We got to talking about public prints, and how Lucas has suppressed their screening. I have omited certain names and information for privacy issues:

"Written into George Lucas' contract with Fox is the line stating that any prints of the original that are found must be hunted up and destroyed," he said. "As a result, film collectors are very loath to disclose where any prints of any Lucas films are at all. There are a few IB Technicolor Star Wars prints in private hands." He went on to state. "I'm not sure which contract it is. I have no idea whether it's public record or not. I do know that in the early 2000s there were a Technicolor festival in LA, and Star Wars was announced as a title. After trying to legally clear the title through Fox, the organizers of the festival were threatened with having the print confiscated and destroyed. They told the organizers of the festival that it was a line in Lucas' contract. The organizers were frantic to get rid of the print they had so that Fox couldn't get to it."
 
Special editions were terrible. Only terrible people like them. I'm so sorry to break it to you SE fans.

I'm indifferent. I guess I mostly like the original cuts, but I think the Return of the Jedi ending is way better partially thanks to the music. That's about it though.
 
Special editions were terrible. Only terrible people like them. I'm so sorry to break it to you SE fans.

Episode 4 and 5 SE were totally fine, cut the hyperbole. 5 was practically unchanged, except for some eye candy in Cloud City, and 4 modified the Han-Greedo scene. Annoying, yes, but not worthy of the level of outrage the majority of fans feel. 6 was pretty shit though, especially with the added musical number in Jabba's Palace...blegh
 
This won't happen ever, best we will ever get is fan edits.

Note: I would love to eat crow in case the planets align and it does happen. But I'm 99.99999 percent sure.
 
Take it with a grain of salt, of course, but this is from the link I posted above:

If there's anything worth being upset with George Lucas over, it's this. Forget the prequels, forget the special editions, forget the blatant milking. This kind of shit that surrounds the original prints just reeks of bitterness and contempt for fans.
 
Special editions were terrible. Only terrible people like them. I'm so sorry to break it to you SE fans.

I don't think they're completely terrible. I like some of the additions. Sure some were bad, but it wasn't like every single change they made was bad. Cleaning up the lightsabers is good; cleaning of composites is good. I've got no issue with the Falcon taking off from Mos Eisley. I've got no issue with the X-Wings taking off from Yavin. I've got no issue with the the X-Wings flying by the camera on their way to the Death Star. I've got no issue with opening Cloud City up. There are changes in the SE that are perfectly fine IMO and are anything but terrible.
 
Take it with a grain of salt, of course, but this is from the link I posted above:
God damn, that seems too absurd to be true. I mean, I'm not saying I do or I don't believe that story, I just... it's just mind-blowing to me that Lucas would be so single-minded about his tinkering that would he deliberately erase the original prints and then sign a contract that specifically obliges Fox to hunt down and destroy the original cinematic prints.

I'm having mental images of private collectors at film exhibitions desperately smuggling out secret copies while Fox stormtroopers search the premises.

It paints such an absurd caricature of Lucas that I'm tempted to say even his most ardent critics couldn't make it up.
 
This kind of shit that surrounds the original prints just reeks of bitterness and contempt for fans.

I don't think it's bitterness. To be honest, I doubt he even thought of what the fandom might like or dislike. I think he was just like "I don't want THOSE out there. I want THESE out there. If you have THOSE, those are MINE, so GIVE THEM BACK TO ME. I don't like them, and I don't like that you have them."

I always got the sense it was less about denying fans because they're fans, as a spiteful move, and more like a sort of neurotic "Oh shit, I wanna take that back" sorta thing. Imagine the sentiment behind deleting a tweet that has a bunch of misspellings in it, but is RT'd non-stop, and you can't stand that you got that many RTs instead of the one where you "fixed" all the "problems" that nobody cares about. Now multiply that sentiment by about 3000x, and you're probably where Lucas head was at.

That's the impression I got.

I also got the impression there were more than a few exhibitors who enjoyed having the excuse that mean ol' Uncle George was waiting with Judge Doom & a barrel of dip, so sorry, we can't run Star Wars for you otherwise he'll just swoop in and take it. It's easier to propagate the story than to have to deal with the headache.

Regardless of what Lucas wanted to do with the prints after retrieving them (I also doubt they were to be destroyed - dude is a film archivist after all) the fact is anyone owning private prints is owning them without a studio's permission. Whether Lucasfilm would put them in a cave somewhere, or set them on fire and dance as they burned, the private collector would have their print taken, because it's not supposed to be theirs in the first place.
 
I would prefer the 1997 special edition to be re-released. Because honestly, those are the best versions of the films. Just the right amount of effects touch ups and edits for the better, a much better ending composition from John Williams for ROTJ rather than Yub Nub, Jabba scene in A New Hope, and no Hayden Christensen or ADRed Vader "Noooo".

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that best version of these movies is going to be lost to time since everyone just wants the originals and automatically assumes ALL of the revisions were shit.

I agree with this although I think that "Jedi Rocks" thing was added in the 97 edition which was pretty stupid. But yea for the most part the changes were not anything ridiculous and were actually improvements.
 
Episode 4 and 5 SE were totally fine, cut the hyperbole. 5 was practically unchanged, except for some eye candy in Cloud City, and 4 modified the Han-Greedo scene. Annoying, yes, but not worthy of the level of outrage the majority of fans feel. 6 was pretty shit though, especially with the added musical number in Jabba's Palace...blegh

4 had the Jabba scene which was pretty bad. It was also the most "hyped" new scene IIRC
 
Yeah, but if we take into account the PT, there's no need to have any mystery around Jabba, since he's already in Episode 1.

But yes, original unedited versions are way overdue.

Except you would watch in order of release, as the prequels were written with that in mind. You seeing Jabba in episode I doesn't spoil the surprise of seeing him later, instead you go 'oh he's not got super fat yet'


As for the originals being mastered for bluray, surely lucasfilm has prints somewhere - what did they use for the SEs?
 
Episode 4 and 5 SE were totally fine, cut the hyperbole. 5 was practically unchanged, except for some eye candy in Cloud City, and 4 modified the Han-Greedo scene. Annoying, yes, but not worthy of the level of outrage the majority of fans feel. 6 was pretty shit though, especially with the added musical number in Jabba's Palace...blegh

Episode 4 harms the terrible jabba scene restored. And episode 5 had a weird conversation between the emperor and baser added in as well as boba fett's voice becoming Temuera Morrison, plus at some point there was a "scream" attached to luke when he let go.

Perhaps not deal-breaking but there were also some bad stuff.


And I find making the prequels non-canon to be weird. They should just keep it simple, and leave the entire movie franchise as canon. It will get very confusing if prequels weren't part of it (yes I know the prequels don't necessarily make sense with the original trilogy, but hey)
 
I don't think it's bitterness. To be honest, I doubt he even thought of what the fandom might like or dislike. I think he was just like "I don't want THOSE out there. I want THESE out there. If you have THOSE, those are MINE, so GIVE THEM BACK TO ME. I don't like them, and I don't like that you have them."

I always got the sense it was less about denying fans because they're fans, as a spiteful move, and more like a sort of neurotic "Oh shit, I wanna take that back" sorta thing. Imagine the sentiment behind deleting a tweet that has a bunch of misspellings in it, but is RT'd non-stop, and you can't stand that you got that many RTs instead of the one where you "fixed" all the "problems" that nobody cares about. Now multiply that sentiment by about 3000x, and you're probably where Lucas head was at.

That's the impression I got.

Yes, Lucas said as much in this interview from ten years ago:

http://www.today.com/id/6011380/ns/...talks-star-wars-trilogy-returns/#.U3vcDihQaUs

AP: Why did you rework the original trilogy into the special-edition versions in the late 1990s?

Lucas: To me, the special edition ones are the films I wanted to make. Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished. It&#8217;s abandoned or it&#8217;s ripped out of your hands, and it&#8217;s thrown into the marketplace, never finished. It&#8217;s a very rare experience where you find a filmmaker who says, &#8220;That&#8217;s exactly what I wanted. I got everything I needed. I made it just perfect. I&#8217;m going to put it out there.&#8221; And even most artists, most painters, even composers would want to come back and redo their work now. They&#8217;ve got a new perspective on it, they&#8217;ve got more resources, they have better technology, and they can fix or finish the things that were never done. ... I wanted to actually finish the film the way it was meant to be when I was originally doing it. At the beginning, people went, &#8220;Don&#8217;t you like it?&#8221; I said, &#8220;Well, the film only came out to be 25 or 30 percent of what I wanted it to be.&#8221; They said, &#8220;What are you talking about?&#8221; So finally, I stopped saying that, but if you read any interviews for about an eight- or nine-year period there, it was all about how disappointed I was and how unhappy I was and what a dismal experience it was. You know, it&#8217;s too bad you need to get kind of half a job done and never get to finish it. So this was my chance to finish it.

AP: Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?

Lucas: The special edition, that&#8217;s the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it&#8217;s on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I&#8217;m not going to spend the, we&#8217;re talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn&#8217;t really exist anymore. It&#8217;s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I&#8217;m sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I&#8217;m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I&#8217;m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they&#8217;re going to throw rocks at me, they&#8217;re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.

AP: Do you pay much attention to fan reactions to your choices?

Lucas: Not really. The movies are what the movies are. ... The thing about science-fiction fans and &#8220;Star Wars&#8221; fans is they&#8217;re very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I&#8217;m making the movies, so I should have it my way.
 
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