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[CGNoire]

Being 1st Person means I dont give a Shit.

 

[adamsapple]

Ah yes, the passion of Todd.

The quality wouldn't depend on any of the films really.

Exactly, and Machine Games generally makes good games with the co-op focused Youngblood being the exception, and even that was a really fun game to play.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

That’s how it works. You think Square puts exclusives on PlayStation out of the goodness of their heart?

I think they do it because their games sell the most on PlayStation. That’s always an easier sell.

 

[StereoVsn]

I guess Disney isn’t interested in promoting the IP outside US and UK. Yeah, it will be in PC but by the time this comes out you will have 70-80 mil PS5 users (if it’s 2025 release).

Personally I think it’s a mistake for these media collaborations to remain locked to particular system from IP owner side, especially if they have other media projects to promote like movies or TV series.

Oh, that includes Wolverine and any similar properties .

Spider-Man is a bit different due to IP ownership nuances.

 

[Tomeru]

Exactly, and Machine Games generally makes good games with the co-op focused Youngblood being the exception, and even that was a really fun game to play.

Exactly what? It could be a bland game just as much.

 

[angrod14]

Disney betting the losing horse.

 

[adamsapple]

Exactly what? It could be a bland game just as much.

Or it could be an amazing game, we really can't say

At least we both agree that the quality of the last movie will not be a factor.

 

[SantaC]

Being 1st Person means I dont give a Shit.

Is that even confirmed

 

[SirTerry-T]

I don't know if Disney gets off the same way as MS with engagement numbers. Also indy of all IPs, lol boomer franchise.

Us Boomers prefer our adventurers to look like they have to shave and are legally able to buy a pint...

As opposed to a kid that delivers your morning paper...

 

[damidu]

Being 1st Person means I dont give a Shit.

please say thats not confirmed,
i came to expect the most stupid decisions from ms, but this would be quite something.

 

[VitoNotVito]

Game will be day one on PC, Xbox, Game Pass / streaming. Plenty of ways to play it. Sony exclusivity deal would mean PlayStation or fuck you.

No exclusivity deal would be ideal but then who would pay for and develop it?

Yeah like we all going to stream it on our Samsung televisions

 

[twilo99]

Good job with killing the franchise with that last movie.....now,after all these years is the right time to cash in on a big AAA game on the least popular gaming platform of the big three.....Disney is run by utter buffoons.

Well the political environment in the USofA has not been kind to masculine characters which is exactly what made the original movies as good as they are so..

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don't think that's the point he was trying to make.

In any event, Square also admitted that they liked Sony's offer the most for FF exclusivity (i.e. money). There's always some pretzeling and twisting when it comes to Xbox messaging and that's the point he was making.

I don’t get why Microsoft doesn’t just come right out and say it. If anything they should be shouting it from the rooftops to try and get some hardware sales out of it.

I think they do it because their games sell the most on PlayStation. That’s always an easier sell.

Multiplatform includes PlayStation, and is always more beneficial than exclusivity - unless your pockets are being lined to do so.

You know that.

On a side note the most recent Final Fantasy bombed on PlayStation. If Square was really smart they’d make Switch their lead platform. They’d sell way more copies.

 

[SantaC]

please say thats not confirmed,
i came to expect the most stupid decisions from ms, but this would be quite something.

I dont think its confirmed but it is handled by a studio that only done first person shooters, so probably.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

That's Microsoft's and Disney business. Because of Game Pass factor I expect licensing deal to be more about upfront payment and less about "X dollars per sold copy"


I mean. You can say same argument about Spider-Man/Wolverine games and every exclusive in existence. I'm sure you are not forgoing any sales by releasing those games on other platforms. It's almost like strategy of having exclusive is games is about forgoing additional sales in exchange towards pushing people into your ecosystem.

/s

New IP was outsold by sequel using one of the most recognisable superhero on the market.

Trully shocking I know. Nobody could have predicted that.
Also. Isn't Spider-Man 2 on 5 million copies sold (until end of October) vs. 12 million Starfield players?

Look at what’s number 2 on that list and Starfield is nowhere to be found. Those 25M + 300M user base really helped Starfield out..as it was outsold in November by many games that are older and some much older. This list doesn’t even include bundled copies.

That shocks even me. Starfield is good enough to be a top 10 game, but I’m sure it wins the engagement battle.

EDIT: another graph shows Starfield at 10. Either way, it’s not a good look.

 

[Tomeru]

Or it could be an amazing game, we really can't say

We can make an educated guess.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Not quite sure that's the whole story.

Uncharted sold on pretty much its name alone. Indiana Jones had nearly triple the budget and by that measure even more would have gone into marketing the movie than the Uncharted movie, and that still out performed it, in its first outing.

That's the strength of the Uncharted franchise compared to Indiana Jones, a franchise you wouldn't even call in decline anymore, it's dead.

 

[Darsxx82]

Potential user base of 300M….can you guys quit throwing out this stupidly huge number as though it is relevant? Incredibly successful games might get 10% of that.

No, because no matter how much you don't understand, don't like it, or see it as stupid, the potential base of users with access to the game is important for the license holders before giving it up.... That is, the data on potential users is important for the topic we are discussing in this thread.

An incredibly successful game depends more on how the product is executed and the critics from media and users when it is released...

They are two different things that you should know how to distinguish. Nobody knows a priori if a project can result in a successful game, which is why some indications of guarantee or financial balance are looked at by licence holders.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

That’s how it works. You think Square puts exclusives on PlayStation out of the goodness of their heart?

Yes, there are people who actually believe this.

From Tomb Raider to Final Fantasy to Street Fighter, etc, people routinely act as if pubs will actually pay Sony money for the honor of an exclusive. It’s weird.

Yeah the game is exclusive because MS signed a check. Same as Spider-Man and any other exclusive deal

 

[NEbeast]

Did they sign the contract during the 360 era? What the hell is he on about.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Square Enix 'didn't intend to cause confusion' with Rise of the Tomb Raider announcement - MCV/DEVELOP

While Gamescom was a good platform to announce Rise of the Tomb Raider's exclusivity, it was not the place to go into detail. - MCV/DEVELOP

mcvuk.com

I was there, 9 years ago. Nothing changes.

It really felt like that Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusivity hurt the momentum of the whole reboot trilogy.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Yep, I actually consider Rise and Shadow to be better games than Uncharted 4. UC4 had a better story but I had more fun exploring in the TR games.

 

[Astray]

Did they sign the contract during the 360 era? What the hell is he on about.

- Sales for this gen started out closer to 50/50.
- Playstation already has a significant competitor in this subgenre in Uncharted, so taking guaranteed cash from Microsoft and sidestepping that skirmish was a safe bet.

Both factoids kinda informed this decision when it was made in 2021/early 2022. The problem is that once the ink dried on the deal the following happened:

- Xbox Series console sales cratered.
- Indiana Jones new movie flopped extremely fucking hard, I actually doubt we ever get a new film any time this decade or maybe even the next.
- Spider Man 2 blew the roof, sales-wise.

Which is why Blade's Xbox exclusivity seems like a much more complicated issue than Indiana Jones did at the time.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Not quite sure that's the whole story.

Uncharted sold on pretty much its name alone. Indiana Jones had nearly triple the budget and by that measure even more would have gone into marketing the movie than the Uncharted movie, and that still out performed it, in its first outing.

That's the strength of the Uncharted franchise compared to Indiana Jones, a franchise you wouldn't even call in decline anymore, it's dead.

Indiana Jones isn’t a dead franchise. It’s a mishandled one.

You’re judging the last couple movies where Harrison Ford was cast in a role he’s too old to play. If anything the torch should’ve been passed with Crystal Skull.

Should they get a younger actor and a decent story in place, Indy at least has a chance. Uncharted just looked lame as fuck, and only appealed to gamers who wanted to see a PlayStation franchise on the big screen. It’ll never go beyond that audience.

 

[midnightAI]

That's Microsoft's and Disney business. Because of Game Pass factor I expect licensing deal to be more about upfront payment and less about "X dollars per sold copy"

While this is true, licensing can also be a percentage per game sold on top of the initial up front costs of granting the license, now whether what MS is offering covers that we don't know as we dont know the terms/make up of the license, well that is between them of course, but MS must have paid a lot for the license if its not including sales, but who knows, Disney may have thought that MS would have taken market share from Sony this gen and they haven't, they are floundering in last place. I don't think throwing in the 'at the time' quote at the end is by accident.

 

[NEbeast]

- Sales for this gen started out closer to 50/50.
- Playstation already has a significant competitor in this subgenre in Uncharted, so taking guaranteed cash from Microsoft and sidestepping that skirmish was a safe bet.

Both factoids kinda informed this decision when it was made in 2021/early 2022. The problem is that once the ink dried on the deal the following happened:

- Xbox Series console sales cratered.
- Indiana Jones new movie flopped extremely fucking hard, I actually doubt we ever get a new film any time this decade or maybe even the next.
- Spider Man 2 blew the roof, sales-wise.

Which is why Blade's Xbox exclusivity seems like a much more complicated issue than Indiana Jones did at the time.

It was a joke but all your points are valid. I doubt Blade will be on PS, MS will have that locked up tight after watching spidermans success over the years. He will hoping Blade can follow in spiderman shoes.

 

[Godot25]

Look at what’s number 2 on that list and Starfield is nowhere to be found. Those 25M + 300M user base really helped Starfield out..as it was outsold in November by many games that are older and some much older. This list doesn’t even include bundled copies.

That shocks even me. Starfield is good enough to be a top 10 game, but I’m sure it wins the engagement battle.

EDIT: another graph shows Starfield at 10. Either way, it’s not a good look.

I mean. Everybody has their own metrics to success, but Starfield as a new IP being 10th best selling game of the year in the US despite it being in Game Pass day one is huge success. Especially because people told me that Xbox first-party games won't sell because they are in Game Pass.

If you look at that chart from Circana, Starfield is only new IP/non licensed game in TOP 20 along with Elden Ring.

Also, Starfield is responsible for biggest one day addition of Game Pass users since launch of the service.

So yeah..."not a good look"

Also, I have a secret to tell you. Starfield would not outsold Spider-Man 2 even if it was released on PlayStation 5

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Yeah like we all going to stream it on our Samsung televisions

Learn to read.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Yep, I actually consider Rise and Shadow to be better games than Uncharted 4. UC4 had a better story but I had more fun exploring in the TR games.

I thought they were much better games as well.
Uncharted 4 felt like forever to get going.

 

[Spitfire098]

I mean. Everybody has their own metrics to success, but Starfield as a new IP being 10th best selling game of the year in the US despite it being in Game Pass day one is huge success. Especially because people told me that Xbox first-party games won't sell because they are in Game Pass.

If you look at that chart from Circana, Starfield is only new IP/non licensed game in TOP 20 along with Elden Ring.

Also, Starfield is responsible for biggest one day addition of Game Pass users since launch of the service.

So yeah..."not a good look"

Also, I have a secret to tell you. Starfield would not outsold Spider-Man 2 even if it was released on PlayStation 5

*11th, lol bg3 not listed

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I mean. Everybody has their own metrics to success, but Starfield as a new IP being 10th best selling game of the year in the US despite it being in Game Pass day one is huge success. Especially because people told me that Xbox first-party games won't sell because they are in Game Pass.

If you look at that chart from Circana, Starfield is only new IP/non licensed game in TOP 20 along with Elden Ring.

Also, Starfield is responsible for biggest one day addition of Game Pass users since launch of the service.

So yeah..."not a good look"

Also, I have a secret to tell you. Starfield would not outsold Spider-Man 2 even if it was released on PlayStation 5

Yep, Microsoft can’t win on any meaningful metrics so they invent their own that nobody but them can actually check.

As for Starfield being responsible for the largest subscriber has no numbers or data to back it up. I know MS said this, but they haven’t shared any numbers. Now gee, why is that? Cuz they know they’re not good. “But they never share the numbers”. Cuz they always suck relative to the competition and there are NO signs of that turning around. Xbox just discounted the XSX to $349 which is a great deal and I’d recommend anyone who doesn’t have one to pick it up. If MS can’t get a significant Gamepass subscription count or NPD win with that….

 

[VinnyMac]

That's a bold strategy cotton let's see how it plays out for them

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Indiana Jones isn’t a dead franchise. It’s a mishandled one.

You’re judging the last couple movies where Harrison Ford was cast in a role he’s too old to play. If anything the torch should’ve been passed with Crystal Skull.

Should they get a younger actor and a decent story in place, Indy at least has a chance. Uncharted just looked lame as fuck, and only appealed to gamers who wanted to see a PlayStation franchise on the big screen. It’ll never go beyond that audience.

They've made 5 movies in 42 years and the last 2 movies in the last 15 years have been absolute disasters... Yes, it's a dead franchise. That doesn't mean it can't come back to life, but it is dead right now.

They wanted to pass the torch to Shia, but Crystal Skull did poorly and then he imploded as a movie star.

They should have cast Chris Pratt here, but no Speilberg, Lucas, and going forward no more Ford... the franchise is dead.

Sony tested the waters with Uncharted 1 and it performed fairly well with a relatively limited budget. It has a lot of franchise potential.

 

[RickMasters]

Both Blade and IJ aren’t the big name games. Kids/casuals won’t care or don’t even know IJ. The movie was so bad, so it sure will be financially ok since it won’t be at the same caliber as Wolverine or Spiderman.

I think I care less about them being as big a names as a Spider-Man and wolverine and more about the quality of these games. I just want them to be good-to-great games worth playing. Just make good games based on the IP. Solid game loop…. Good story…. Mechanics that play to the characters strengths and weaknesses. They don’t need to redo fine the wheel and they don’t need to be riddled with cinematic set pieces filled with quick time-x-button-events. They don’t need to deliver profound wile messages…. They just…. Need…. To be…. Good…. Games. End of.


Furthermore, it might be a next gen Xbox game which would explain why no current platform is listed. The Game will probably take 3-5 years to make….. even Indy jones might be a game that comes out at the tail end of the Series X lifespan with some upgraded version for the next Xbox. But blade, I think will be for the next Xbox. Same goes with OD. I think blade and OF will be for the next Xbox. They are too early in development. And this console cycle is already at the halfway mark.

 

[SHA]

xbox a bigger market for games?
what is he smoking

Weeds with greeny grass.

 

[RickMasters]

They've made 5 movies in 42 years and the last 2 movies in the last 15 years have been absolute disasters... Yes, it's a dead franchise. That doesn't mean it can't come back to life, but it is dead right now.

They wanted to pass the torch to Shia, but Crystal Skull did poorly and then he imploded as a movie star.

They should have cast Chris Pratt here, but no Speilberg, Lucas, and going forward no more Ford... the franchise is dead.

Sony tested the waters with Uncharted 1 and it performed fairly well with a relatively limited budget. It has a lot of franchise potential.

To be fair all of disneys movies are bombing. The marvels is flipping and they supposedly pulling the plug in the Snow White reboot. The star wars films have been abysmal….. so yes the same Disney is sabotaging its own IP. But we all know why and that’s a whole other topic that has nothing to do with gaming. That recent Indy film was just another casualty of disneys current course of self sabotage for the sake of getting woke points.

 

[shaddam]

They killed the interest with the latest movie. Wonder if they can make a half decent uncharted game.

 

[RickMasters]

xbox a bigger market for games?
what is he smoking

He never said that at all. He said it was bla big enough market that they didnt feel they were being overly exclusionary. Meaning the cheque was big enough to offset any concerns and ultimately there will be enough player engagement to satisfy them without the need for PlayStation.


Sony have Spider-Man and wolverine. MS have Indy and blade. I guess Nintendo should go grab two aswell.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

To be fair all of disneys movies are bombing. The marvels is flipping and they supposedly pulling the plug in the Snow White reboot. The star wars films have been abysmal….. so yes the same Disney is sabotaging its own IP. But we all know why and that’s a whole other topic that has nothing to do with gaming. That recent Indy film was just another casualty of disneys current course of self sabotage for the sake of getting woke points.

 

[Dick Jones]

No shit Disney took the bag of cash. Even the free sock contingent are agreeing with this. Their options are Bethesda make the game exclusively or no Indy game. Disney likely played hardball to cover lost Playstation sales, but both had opportunity to play hardball. If Xbox didn't make the game, who was going to use the licence from Disney's point of view? Not Sony who have the more relevant (currently) IP in Uncharted and Nintendo don't do those type of deals.

 

[RickMasters]

 

[consoul]

Indiana Jones and the Moneyhat of Gold.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Well, there goes the argument from team blue saying that Marvel would never allow Microsoft to make a game using their IP that excludes PlayStation.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

double post

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Not quite sure that's the whole story.

Uncharted sold on pretty much its name alone. Indiana Jones had nearly triple the budget and by that measure even more would have gone into marketing the movie than the Uncharted movie, and that still out performed it, in its first outing.

That's the strength of the Uncharted franchise compared to Indiana Jones, a franchise you wouldn't even call in decline anymore, it's dead.

Not to mention inflation and ticket prices have increased by quite a bit in those last two years. I can’t say how much higher Uncharted would be though.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Well, there goes the argument from team blue saying that Marvel would never allow Microsoft to make a game using their IP that excludes PlayStation.

Things can also change depending on market performance.

 

[adamsapple]

They've made 5 movies in 42 years and the last 2 movies in the last 15 years have been absolute disasters... Yes, it's a dead franchise. That doesn't mean it can't come back to life, but it is dead right now.

They wanted to pass the torch to Shia, but Crystal Skull did poorly and then he imploded as a movie star.

They should have cast Chris Pratt here, but no Speilberg, Lucas, and going forward no more Ford... the franchise is dead.

Sony tested the waters with Uncharted 1 and it performed fairly well with a relatively limited budget. It has a lot of franchise potential.

Sir, this is the gaming discussion segment.

 

[Fess]

Breaking story: Having 25 million customers on Xbox and 300+ million potential PC customers is big enough market and you can survive not releasing your game on PlayStation platform with 50 million consoles sold...

Truly shocking.

By the time this and definitely the Blade game is actually ready to release there could be a Xbox mobile store and launcher as well. When mobile tech, or cloud computing, is good enough to run modern AAA games then things will move fast and all this talk will be hilarious to look back at.

 

[mitch1971]

Disney...

 

[Robb]

Sure, they renegotiated the terms and therefore it now makes financial/strategic sense. What else is he going to say.. It makes no sense whatsoever and I don’t know why we agreed to it?