ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I think this game is going to be a an extremely slow but consistent burner sales wise.
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I think this game is going to be a an extremely slow but consistent burner sales wise.
I would definitely not listen to the music standalone.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
I have a feeling that there will be a patch that alteres some of the parameters on the color coded enemies. Particularly the blue ones. An easy fix would be to decrease their total health to compensate for the weak damage output of angel weapons. And in return make their damage output on Dante higher to balance the difficulty.
I also echo with Jett, I think how they handled the control mechanics was fantastic in that while each individual weapon may have less depth than a weapon in DMC3, however - in DmC all the weapons and assets are available all at one time. So all 8 weapons are accessible, whereas in DMC3 only 4 were at max. So in terms of raw normal and special attacks, both games end up being pretty much equal in toolsets at any one given moment during gameplay.
I think the next step would be to utilize the down-on the d-pad. Allowing you to exchange between weapon sets. Each weapon sets with this control scheme can handle 8 weapons, so they can bring up the total to 16 all in one, 8 for set A, and 8 for set B logistical, simplified control scheme. Do it Ninja Theory. Fuck, use DMC3 weapons as pallete swaps. Cerberus could easily be considered an Angel, weapon, Agni and Rudra could be the Rebellion based universal weapon, and then you have Beowulf, Nevan etc. etc. All the work is done for you for a quick and easy patch update.
I also echo with Jett, I think how they handled the control mechanics was fantastic in that while each individual weapon may have less depth than a weapon in DMC3, however - in DmC all the weapons and assets are available all at one time. So all 8 weapons are accessible, whereas in DMC3 only 4 were at max. So in terms of raw normal and special attacks, both games end up being pretty much equal in toolsets at any one given moment during gameplay.
I think the next step would be to utilize the down-on the d-pad. Allowing you to exchange between weapon sets. Each weapon sets with this control scheme can handle 8 weapons, so they can bring up the total to 16 all in one, 8 for set A, and 8 for set B logistical, simplified control scheme. Do it Ninja Theory. Fuck, use DMC3 weapons as pallete swaps. Cerberus could easily be considered an Angel, weapon, Agni and Rudra could be the Rebellion based universal weapon, and then you have Beowulf, Nevan etc. etc. All the work is done for you for a quick and easy patch update.
The actual score for the game isn't bad. I had no idea there was a genre of music called hellektro until this game..
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
You only made this bet because your avatar couldn't possibly get any worse.
I think the best way to patch color coded enemies is so that they start off with color armor and after you hit them a few time their armor "breaks". Their color armor will regenerate if you don't keep them in a combo. I feel this is a good work around the system while still making you switch up your weapons.
HAHAHA yea right at this being a "quick and easy" patch. That's a whole new set of weapons and game play addition that is difficult to patch. They can't just port over those animations, the weapons would have to be made from the ground up.
Right now if they patch the style meter and other minor stuff I would be happy.
I find it extremely unbelievable that this game would perform worse than Enslaved when all is said and done.
That Dude John
Member
Bro, that would make too much sense.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
we are talking first month
It will far outsell Enslaved in the long run, especially once the price is cut.
Slamtastic
Member
That sounds way too complex and like too much work to be added in anything less than a full sequel.
I'd be happy if there was a single other neutral weapon, and you switched with down on the dpad, that way every melee weapon type had 2.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That's pretty sporty, considering that MW3 topped the charts and only did 386k last January.
COD is on a downturn now, and it won't reach those numbers this time again. Plus it's a much more lively month than last year. I still think the DMC brand carries some sway, and it'll push copies.
d-pad down should taunt.
My second combo :C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poRZjwQoy80
Just beat Poison.
My second combo :C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poRZjwQoy80
Just beat Poison.
picked up the PC version and started yesterday, just finished Chapter 5 (When you get to Virility), and holy fuck this game is good.
Background: Never cared for the DMC games, only ever played half way through the first and never picked it back up because it never resonated with me. I've never much liked character action games in general. God of War, Ninja Gaiden, etc. The most I've enjoyed of that genre are games that include elements of the genre but focus on other things entirely, like Amalur and Darksiders.
I also LOVE Ninja Theory, with Enslaved being my favorite game of 2010 next to Bad Company 2. So you can imagine my reaction to the announcement of NT doing the new DmC reboot and the new Dante and all that, as well as the resulting controversy. Basically I was excited for a new NT game and didn't care about all the hate.
And, well, I feel I was justified in that. Not sure how this game stands up as an action game and how well it holds up to the gameplay of the original series, and I'll admit that if it's poor in that regard, it kind of sucks for the fans, but I'm loving the shit out of the story. Playing on the medium difficulty and I've yet to die to enemies, though I've died to a few environmental hazards.
Background: Never cared for the DMC games, only ever played half way through the first and never picked it back up because it never resonated with me. I've never much liked character action games in general. God of War, Ninja Gaiden, etc. The most I've enjoyed of that genre are games that include elements of the genre but focus on other things entirely, like Amalur and Darksiders.
I also LOVE Ninja Theory, with Enslaved being my favorite game of 2010 next to Bad Company 2. So you can imagine my reaction to the announcement of NT doing the new DmC reboot and the new Dante and all that, as well as the resulting controversy. Basically I was excited for a new NT game and didn't care about all the hate.
And, well, I feel I was justified in that. Not sure how this game stands up as an action game and how well it holds up to the gameplay of the original series, and I'll admit that if it's poor in that regard, it kind of sucks for the fans, but I'm loving the shit out of the story. Playing on the medium difficulty and I've yet to die to enemies, though I've died to a few environmental hazards.
Reverse Rainstorm, Angel Glide, Prop.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If CoD doesn't reach those numbers then DmC certainly won't, because I see DmC trailing CoD on all the online retailer best seller lists. I wouldn't bet on 350k for DmC with someone else's money.
I'm curious to see how the PC sales compare with the consoles.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
So people have been asking about higher difficulty modes. This guy did a run through on DMD. Here's mission 4 (the demo mission so it shouldn't be any spoilers...at all)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL6Vt7JtCfs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL6Vt7JtCfs
We shall see.
sti4thewin
Member
ohhhh ahhh i want to learn that invisible prop i've never seen that before.
here's my first combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaB3cQ6JOJw&feature=youtu.be
here's my first combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaB3cQ6JOJw&feature=youtu.be
The timing is kinda tricky but not so much, you just wait a bit after Reverse Rainstorm so Dante will get back on the ground (he starts airbourne, so if you do it right away you'll get the air launcher that I forgot the name, Rake I guess?), and then you angel glide~prop in a plink kind of way.
When I was learning it for the first time on the PS3 I used his arms as reference, when he opens his arms then you do the rest, it might help you, but not so sure since the PC timing is a bit trickier.
Nice video btw, I love cross under combos, I'll never forget when I first saw that Darksiders II gif <3
First mission DMD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFkwrXvK-5s
Note how quickly the boss is dismantled in DMD. This is without even using any exploits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFkwrXvK-5s
Note how quickly the boss is dismantled in DMD. This is without even using any exploits.
Now I feel bad I've never gotten over SS in Style Rank yet. (I'm on Mission 8 now.
)damn awesome stuff
just reached chapter 11, so good, i already said that i love NT art style? lol
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Yeah feels like the bosses were not scaled properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2WJE-ld944
This one didn't work out as planned, I hate this guy's armor :C
This one didn't work out as planned, I hate this guy's armor :C
PepperJack
Banned
Just finished it.
Took about 8 hours but I didn't do much exploring, I think I found like 3 secret missions.
Combat & enemies: pretty solid - definitely up there with the other DMC games.
Bosses: meh. The large scale bosses don't really do it for me. They are pretty generic and nothing special. Two interesting fights were
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Story/characters/art/etc: very solid. Just a damn beautiful game and SO polished from start to finish. PC performance is amazing; I hope other developers take notice and hire some studies to port their games, as I see steam and all its sales very, very lucrative for these companies (there is a 50 million install base and essentially free advertising...I mean..common!)
Overall almost a 9/10 for me. Still need to go through the other difficulties - too bad they didn't scale the bosses up - it always seemed to me the bosses were of huge importance so I don't understand how NT dropped the ball a bit on this one. I think once they patch in Virgils DLC and the free Bloody palace it will take the game to being a solid 9/10. I'm almost wondering if NT will listen to feedback and fix the bosses on higher difficulties - I'd wait to play on SOS in that case.
Solid work by NT, definitely more impressed with this game then when I played DMC4 (but I was coming off DMC3:SE so standards were through the roof). DMC3:SE still holds my top spot for hack-n'-slash, then probably NG series tied with DmC. Looking forward to Revengeance (I hope they have a PC announcement soon because the demo looked like POS on consoles - played well though).
Took about 8 hours but I didn't do much exploring, I think I found like 3 secret missions.
Combat & enemies: pretty solid - definitely up there with the other DMC games.
Bosses: meh. The large scale bosses don't really do it for me. They are pretty generic and nothing special. Two interesting fights were
Drekevac and Virgil
mundus was quite disappointing to fight - I don't see why they didn't choose to do more with that. I guess by saving the Virigil fight to the end they didn't want it to be a human sized boss, but at the same time they didn't do ANYTHING interesting with this boss. It was so generic .
.Story/characters/art/etc: very solid. Just a damn beautiful game and SO polished from start to finish. PC performance is amazing; I hope other developers take notice and hire some studies to port their games, as I see steam and all its sales very, very lucrative for these companies (there is a 50 million install base and essentially free advertising...I mean..common!)
Overall almost a 9/10 for me. Still need to go through the other difficulties - too bad they didn't scale the bosses up - it always seemed to me the bosses were of huge importance so I don't understand how NT dropped the ball a bit on this one. I think once they patch in Virgils DLC and the free Bloody palace it will take the game to being a solid 9/10. I'm almost wondering if NT will listen to feedback and fix the bosses on higher difficulties - I'd wait to play on SOS in that case.
Solid work by NT, definitely more impressed with this game then when I played DMC4 (but I was coming off DMC3:SE so standards were through the roof). DMC3:SE still holds my top spot for hack-n'-slash, then probably NG series tied with DmC. Looking forward to Revengeance (I hope they have a PC announcement soon because the demo looked like POS on consoles - played well though).
PepperJack
Banned
On a separate note:
Just watched the trailer for Virigl's DLC - I counted at least 2 new enemy types.
There will likely be an extra boss or two (it says it's "hours of gamplay", which I assume is more than 2, meaning it's about 1/4 of the length of DmC so I expect a boss).
Also Virgil seems to have a fairly comprehensive move list (ie. good ground and aerial capabilities), I hope they make him available in Bloody Palace.
Basically, Dante+Virgil+All Enemy Types + potential new bosses that don't suck + Bloody Palace = excellent longevity for DmC.
I imagine the Virgil DLC will be on sale for ~$5 within a month after its release (check GMG especially).
Just watched the trailer for Virigl's DLC - I counted at least 2 new enemy types.
There will likely be an extra boss or two (it says it's "hours of gamplay", which I assume is more than 2, meaning it's about 1/4 of the length of DmC so I expect a boss).
Also Virgil seems to have a fairly comprehensive move list (ie. good ground and aerial capabilities), I hope they make him available in Bloody Palace.
Basically, Dante+Virgil+All Enemy Types + potential new bosses that don't suck + Bloody Palace = excellent longevity for DmC.
I imagine the Virgil DLC will be on sale for ~$5 within a month after its release (check GMG especially).
Vergil DLC is 9 dollars and will be released at the end of February. And yea two of the enemies in Vergil are brand new, not seen in the main game.
Vergil is NOT playable in BP.
Vergil's move set is fairly limited as compared to Dante's but the Doppelganger style seems interesting mechanically.
Vergil is NOT playable in BP.
Vergil's move set is fairly limited as compared to Dante's but the Doppelganger style seems interesting mechanically.
Will anyone care a month from now?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
what I dont get about
who told NT that was remotely a good idea?
Mundus is the fact that really, its just a reskinned saviour fight from DMC4
who told NT that was remotely a good idea?
If no one cares about a Devil May Cry game a month after release then the game is shit.
call_kotaku
Member
The DLC timing is to discourage people from trading the game back in, as it is with a lot of games.
I would. I want to play both BP and the Vergil DLC. BP especially because I feel that is where DmC will truly since.
Also BP is coming with a Title update so hopefully it has additional balance changes as well to the game.
Both are bad but at least Savior was more challenging.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Now you mention it, it actually was. still the weakest fight in the game.
this is also true.
Funchameleon
Banned
Just continuing the series tradition of all the penultimate bosses being fucking horrible
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
too late.
http://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=5055060928257
Unless CEX (the biggest games retailer in the UK after the high street chains, but everything they sell is used) has had a huge change of policy and started stocking brand new games, that is not a normal amount of available copies of a game that is barely 12 days old.
The problem with the bosses is that they are all similar and they don't really do anything different in their attacks. that's my main problem.
Take DMC3 for example. Nearly all of the bosses had varying attack moves and the way they engaged you was different. When I was playing DMC3 for the first time I had to analyze what the bosses did something akin to Dark Souls. I can't just brazenly attack and expect results. Here in DmC, it's not like that.
I think there were two bosses that I thoroughly did not enjoy in DMC3. Both of them pissed me off to no avail. Unsurprisingly they were large bosses.
I hated Arkham and the Leviathan but generally liked/loved the rest. Both had 3 things that I absolutely hate in bosses: Summoning of minions in between boss phases, non reactive big bodies and no real change of positioning by the boss itself.
I feel more engaged when the boss is moving around and reacting to what you do (in terms of your attacks). Feels like an actual fight. Fighting Leviathan is like fighting a pillar... that shoots laser. *YAWN* That boss was DMC2 caliber. In fact that entire level should've been deleted from DMC3.
I hated fighting Arkham because of the shittastic camera in that room. Ugh. It just spazzed out to no end.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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