Devil May Cry 4 has some of the worst level design of any "good" game I've ever played. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT TWICE.
And then those stupid board game dice arena rooms... God, there was a lot to hate about DMC4, as great as it was.
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And then those stupid board game dice arena rooms... God, there was a lot to hate about DMC4, as great as it was.
unknownhero
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seeing some impressions on here convinced me to download the demo, which is already downloaded.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
yeah, I didn't you would of had honestly. Most wrote it off at launch and honestly, I can see why, but I still can see the underpinning NG roots in it and I can genuine extract some fun out of it, especially in the mission modes.
Plus, its rare to meet a DMC and NG geek, Who has explored both series on a deep level comabt wise. you normally prefer one or the other. Strange really.
when the dust settles, im convinced that NG3:RE will be the DMC4 of the series with Vanilla being a slightly better DMC2
SlasherJPC
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LOL I love this!
Yes 4 with Nero and 4 with Dante.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I remember back in my GameFAQs days of '05, the constant bickering and board invasions of NGB vs DMC3. Nobody could just see they were both very, very good action games that were different enough it was ok to prefer one over another. No, had to prove how superior one was to another one. "NG has dial-a-combo, play a real man's game DMC3" "Yeah, with babby's first AI"
Man, that was annoying
That means you beat those bosses what, 12 times?
Man, that was annoying
That means you beat those bosses what, 12 times?
rofl. I guess so.
Feel free to laugh away, because I think 4 is the best game after 1. The combat is absolutely exquisite, propped up by some fantastic enemy and encounter design. They're just fun as hell to fight, especially compared to some of the absolutely miserable enemies in DMC3 (Fallen, anyone?). The bosses in 4 were great. Credo was phenomenal, the rest were fun enough to make refights interesting. 3 and 4 both had one major stinker (Arkham + Savior) so they're about even in the boss category for me.
The level design wasn't even a consideration for me when I was playing, honestly. These games shine in combat and enemy design, and thats where 4 delivers. I mean really, the appeal of these games is replaying them several times with more challenging encounters and remixed areas, so I never saw backtracking as a problem. As for the story, if DmC's story is seen as progressive, then I'd prefer the series just stay stagnant. At least 4 had some fantastically directed cutscenes to make it's non-story entertaining.
On a side note, NG3 was probably the most genuinely awful action game I've played in ages. I never suspected for a minute that DmC would even approach NG3's level of awfulness, or even be less than decent. It's simply a regression in the things that matter to me in the series, and I'm not willing to support that.
edit: the dice game was such a non-issue i was pretty shocked when i saw people talking about it with such vitriol. i figured out the 'trick' (if you can call it that) immediately and finished it in like 2 minutes.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I was lucky in that My first NG was Sigma. I enjoyed it so much I bought an xbox just to play black. DMC is still where my heart is in terms of the trinity, but My mind understands NG better. I can appreciate DMC combo videos, but I can only replicate the most basic/average stuff.
But NG mission modes and Master ninja runs are my bread and butter. love that shit.
AcceptableGhost
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So do all of the bosses in the game have those horrible unskippable mini-cutscenes in them?
Yes.
How would you rank the boss fights?
AcceptableGhost
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Uh I am pretty sure having unskippable mini cutscenes automatically puts them into z-tier status.
BeautifulMemory
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My first NG was sigma too. I haven't beat Master Ninja yet but I loved the Very Hard mode, felt like a perfect balance between where you had to master your skills and knowledge of AI as well as being somewhat forgiving. There's something about not having new game plus that made it annoying but yet satisfying when you advance on harder difficulties
NG Sigma 2 MN can kiss my ass though - one grab kill
I prefer the way Ninja Theory handled it in Heavenly Sword. It was very cinematic and well done.
They had the little "live-action panels" that would pop into the screen for narrative and dialogue purposes, without interrupting the gameplay.
Of course, it's been 5 1/2 years since I played Heavenly Sword, so my memory of that game is soooooo fuzzy.
Vergil > Hunter > Poison > Mundus Spawn > Bob > Mundus
Mundus is Sanctus + that building boss from DMC2. It's that bad. At least it looks good visually speaking but mechanically it's awful.
Bob is also pretty bad especially during the camera sequences where you have to fight the fodder enemies. This is going to be excruciatingly bad on DMD mode and if they add colored enemies here it's going to be a whole new tier of craptacular boss design.
Mundus is Sanctus + that building boss from DMC2. It's that bad. At least it looks good visually speaking but mechanically it's awful.
Bob is also pretty bad especially during the camera sequences where you have to fight the fodder enemies. This is going to be excruciatingly bad on DMD mode and if they add colored enemies here it's going to be a whole new tier of craptacular boss design.
I'm not expecting anything to be Credo, Vergil or Nelo Angelo tier or even Berial/Phantom/Cerberus tier. Just interested to see how they stank against each other.
Ugh don't speak about the building boss in DMC2. Hearrrrrgh. *dry heaves*
BeautifulMemory
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Spirit of Jazz
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The level design wasn't even a consideration for me when I was playing, honestly. These games shine in combat and enemy design, and thats where 4 delivers. I mean really, the appeal of these games is replaying them several times with more challenging encounters and remixed areas, so I never saw backtracking as a problem. As for the story, if DmC's story is seen as progressive, then I'd prefer the series just stay stagnant. At least 4 had some fantastically directed cutscenes to make it's non-story entertaining.
I'd love to see a character action game with no focus at all on story/environment art. Instead the game would all take place in an expanded bloody palace type mode with bosses every so many levels. All the time/energy focusing on these superfluous elements would be spent on expanding enemy/weapon variety and creating a large number of playable characters. I couldn't see anything like it ever happening though.
How does the Virgil fight compare to its DMC3 equivalent?
1) The giant head boss fight.
2) I don't understand the 2nd question. Last fight?
BeautifulMemory
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Sorry, I meant last boss fight,
Vergil
lol i can't type right now
The way he phrased that question makes it sound like something I would ask the girl I picked up at a bar in the morning.
SlasherJPC
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While I feel the bosses are nothing spectacular, at least when it comes to mechanics. Visually I love them. Bob was like a TRON nightmare!
*edit* Also I do feel like this DmC is more like akin to something like God of War in ways with the cinematic, the boss presentation, and some of the set piece moments.
*edit* Also I do feel like this DmC is more like akin to something like God of War in ways with the cinematic, the boss presentation, and some of the set piece moments.
Well that all sounds...terrible.
Sanctus is easily my least favorite boss in a DMC game. That's a painful comparison to hear you make.
DMC3 Vergil fights are all vastly superior. The attacks in this are very obviously telegraphed and quite a few moves of Vergil's have a ton of recovery which makes him open to attacks. He can also easily be parried on most of his attacks which further opens him up. His Doppelganger clone is essentially free meter for your DT as the more you hit it the more purple orb it spits out. The boss fight is still way better than anything else in the game.
Things might change with DMD mode but on Nephilim it wasn't really challenging or engaging.
Things might change with DMD mode but on Nephilim it wasn't really challenging or engaging.
ViewtifulJC
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We may be looking at the worst DMC boss of all-time
AcceptableGhost
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Sanctus is a really fucking awful boss fight but I think people are quick to forget how shit Arkham from DMC3 is too. It looks like all of DmC's bosses are pretty much worst in series though.
BeautifulMemory
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aww i liked the Arkham fight, at least for symbolic purposes
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Oh yeah, I forgot Arkham
DmC would have to try really hard to be worse than Arkham
DmC would have to try really hard to be worse than Arkham
AcceptableGhost
Member
Yeah that was really cool... if it didn't disable your style and devil trigger.
BeautifulMemory
Member
Controlling Vergil is the best style in the game
lol
lol
BeautifulMemory
Member
How about the Savior?
Unspeakable Evil
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Devil buster on Sanctus is always fun. Devil buster on everyone is fun.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Sanctus Devil Buster is good, though
"I've had enough of your bullshit" *BOOOOOM*
"I've had enough of your bullshit" *BOOOOOM*
AcceptableGhost
Member
Oh wait I messed that up. I meant to say The Savior is an awful bossfight. I don't mind the Sanctus fight.
Wait, wait, wait, wait... You're complaining about backtracking, in a Devil May Cry game?
SlasherJPC
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Backtracking is one thing.. literally going back through the entire game... That's a bit much.
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