Keep telling that to yourself, but it won't change the fact DmC is a good game,
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Keep telling that to yourself, but it won't change the fact DmC is a good game,
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Retro_
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I think you guys are underestimating the effect a good ranking system has on these types of games.
They only become largely irrelevant once you reach a certain level of play. But starting out I think S Ranks and Platinum's in Bayonetta are good guidelines for how to play these games well for new players and get them to respect the depth of the mechanics.(Wow you're supposed to do this without getting hit in only 3 minutes!?!? "Does anyone else get stone on every chapter?")
They then become more familiar with the combat systems and mechanics in pursuit of that, and that's when "stylish play" emerges I think.
Without that, I think alot of players are going to just figure out how to abuse the system, and come to the conclusion that that's all there is to it or think "what's the point of doing combos?", and stop playing. (I mean you even see this type of mentality applied towards the old games when players figured out you could achieve S Ranks while playing no where near the level seen in stuff like TST vids)
Which isn't good if there needs to be a new generation to step up in place of the OG community, who don't have the time or desire to break down a new game again. Especially one so fundamentally different to what they're used to.
If NT wants their game to have legs, they NEED to patch the style system. Thing is I don't think they give a shit. Especially if they're planning to make another one in 2.5 years.
Fair enough.
Yes, it did. No foreshadowing or any of that.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
1/3rd DMC4 UK sales?
RIP Ezekial Community Manager status
RIP Ezekial Community Manager status
my reaction to the last fight was pretty much:
Yeah......I wish they didn't do that.
The rest of the bosses were pretty cool especially the
Bob Barbas
Well you are one of the very few people who kept on hating all the way through release....and surprisingly one of the few people who use Dino and Donte unironically...I guess that is commendable
Haha that was a funny I love glitches this gen.
Glass Rebel
Member
Spoiler alert up the wazoo in this post, come on.
Dave1988
Member
Right, forgot. Added a warning.
Probably waiting for PC version. If nothing still then, that's saying something about the game I think.
Style system IS broken though. Not from a combo video perspective (no one really cares about looking at your style bar in a combo video anyway) but from an actual balance and game play perspective. The way they want you to play the game is counter to the way you SHOULD play if you want to get high style ranks. The way they want you to play is fun and swag... but the way you SHOULD play is boring and mindless.
It shouldn't really deter people from making combo videos though. Even DS2 had swag videos and it has no "style" meter.
It shouldn't really deter people from making combo videos though. Even DS2 had swag videos and it has no "style" meter.
This is the bottom line. Some scrub is going to get SSS's and be like "I am the business in DmC". He will probably watch a video of DmC and be like "so he's doing all this shit while he's getting the same or lower rank as me.... LOL".
Acquiescence
Member
There was a teensy bit of foreshadowing in the mission where
the terrorist base is stormed and Vergil's disregard for Kat's life and well-being is highlighted. His mentality might as well have been "she was a useful ally, but she's served her purpose now and in the end she's still only a human." For the most part though, I do agree - it could have been a lot better executed. At least I actually liked the characters, so that when the inevitable clash of views happens, I felt a tinge of sadness.
"I loved you brother."
"I loved you brother."
Anyway, I beat it last night too. Really enjoyed it as a whole, and feel it was a great gaming start to the year for me. I'll get the plat and then look forward to Vergil's Downfall in the near future.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Right but how many of them were players with no prior experience to any type of high level "swag" gameplay besides DS2? How many of them were DMC players messing around with a new game?
I think a "style" or similar ranking system is really required to demonstrate any kind of mechanical depth in these games to new players. If it's not there, people are just going to mash to clear waves thinking that's what they're supposed to do.
or in DmC's case if it's broken, it's leading players to draw the wrong conclusions about the game and its depth.(hence why the one hit SSS gif is so widespread)
I had no idea you could do that until I saw that loading screen.
Also, silly question but how do you parry? Do you just dodge at a specific frame? It happens to me seemingly randomly, and the game never really explained it.
mere_immortal
Member
Attack at the same time as an enemy.
I've only played the demo but it's when you attack when the enemy attacks.
Ninja Theory should ask for a refund on Dahbomb's money hat.
That's what I mean, should have clarified more. It's still fun to style but the game just doesn't give new players an incentive to. The most efficient way to play is basically turtling.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Ninja Theory with another game with potential that does less than stellar in sales? (early days I know)
Not surprised.
Not surprised.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Don't know this made me laugh so hard, but there it is. I imagined some kid saying this shit outloud.
Host Samurai
Member
I am most interested in Japan sales actually
How did the previous games do there?
Host Samurai
Member
They did very well. I don't think it pushed DQ numbers or anything but I THINK DMC4 pushed well over 100K on the PS3 alone on release week.
WrenchNinja
Member
Can you skip cutscenes?
yea, press select to skip
Imagine the river of nerd tears.
I only usually do a few missions a night after work, not much time for games, but I did missions 9-16 tonight. Really starting to dig the newer weapons I've unlocked. Aquila is fucking awesome. In fact, the Angel weapons in general are decent. Really can't get the hang of the Demon ones but they are the heavier ones and I never like using them in action games.
Still seem to get my arse kicked by those fat enemies, I'm definitely not approaching them in the right way.
As for the bosses,
was certainly memorable and not so bad once I got the hang of it. That
was a bit creepy.
Still seem to get my arse kicked by those fat enemies, I'm definitely not approaching them in the right way.
As for the bosses,
Bob Barbas
BIG FUCKIN' BABY
Gave me huge Brain Dead (Dead Alive) vibes
What? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
yurinka
Member
Completed level 10 in Nephilim (1st playthrough). I'm loving the game.
Has some minor flaws but the game is great, really good.
Nice to see this game doesn't features QTEs, for some reason everybody else is putting them everywhere.
Has some minor flaws but the game is great, really good.
Nice to see this game doesn't features QTEs, for some reason everybody else is putting them everywhere.
Keep it as a secret guys, but I'm starting to like Antoniades.
I don't know what scoring system you are talking about here. Scoring has always been in a DMC game since DMC1. In DMC1 the Style rank calculations were done on the background but used a similar system with DMC3. It was DMC4 that changed things up with Leaderboards and putting more of a focus on Style points which really has always been in a DMC game but it was one of 5 parameters (Style points, Time, Damage, Red Orbs, Items). In DmC Style points is essentially half of your style grade.
If anything I applaud NT for expanding on the system by having your moves show up with their points.
I just turned the music off and played Persona Music Live over the top of it. Utterly inappropriate but still fun.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Get the HD collection, it is like 15$ on Amazon.
Ummm, mid-game and end boss spoilers
Phineas, the demon you meet on the way to Raptor news, was in the game for two reasons. He was the plot device to inform you of Mundus' main weakness and to foreshadow who the last boss will be. I believe his line was something along the lines of "But if you succeed, who will take his place?"
Oh my god at the
boss fight. I can't get a SSS for the life of me. I think because I do too well in the fight and kill it in 3 goes as opposed to the 4 I think it wants me to do (I got 220k on SoS mode and still no SSS).
I really want to see a parry video for this game.
Mundus Spawn
I really want to see a parry video for this game.
It kind of does. For me at least. If I've got the right music going, I pull off perfection in the combo/rating department.
Yeah, you kind of need to pull your punches. Don't DT, don't use Trinity Smash. Other wise he goes down too fast to rack up a score.
Also found that I needed to avoid using Roulette Spin and just stick to aerial hacker on the weak points. Roulette Spin is just muscle memory for doing air combos for me at this point, so that was a hard habit to break myself of.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he works for the amusement park? Or, you know, he's all poor and shit but it's cool to live in a trailer down by the amusement park.
tragic
Developer
Acquiescence
Member
Never saw a reason to dislike him in the first place. He always seemed like a nice enough chap to me.
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