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[DerangedHermit]

Then define hacking. Most hackers just fool customer support into granting access.

Come on, everyone knows that hacking is like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO5IaAKTKsQ

 

[WedgeX]

Might have missed it, but the Washington Post is calling for Sander's campaigns access to be restored.

We need more detail to understand exactly what happened here. But one point that can be made right now is that the DNC needs to restore Sanders’ access to the data as quickly as possible.
The degree to which the Sanders campaign should bear the blame for what happened remains unclear. The Sanders campaign claims that the data breach was the fault of the vendor that gives campaigns access to the data, which (the Sanders camp argues) erroneously dropped the “firewall” that protects each camp’s data. The Sanders camp also notes that it fired the staffer responsible for accessing the Clinton info. That fired staffer has now told CNN that he did not attempt to take Clinton data and was merely trying to determine how badly the Sanders camp’s data had been compromised by the fallen firewall.

The degree to which the Sanders campaign should bear the blame for what happened remains unclear. The Sanders campaign claims that the data breach was the fault of the vendor that gives campaigns access to the data, which (the Sanders camp argues) erroneously dropped the “firewall” that protects each camp’s data. The Sanders camp also notes that it fired the staffer responsible for accessing the Clinton info. That fired staffer has now told CNN that he did not attempt to take Clinton data and was merely trying to determine how badly the Sanders camp’s data had been compromised by the fallen firewall.
On the other hand, multiple accounts say that as many as four users associated with the Sanders campaign may have accessed the Clinton data. The Sanders campaign does not deny this; it says that those staffers did so at the behest of their boss, the staffer who has been fired. As you can see, our knowledge of what happened is pretty murky right now.

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To be fair, the DNC appears to recognize this. DNC spokesman Luis Miranda tells me: “We want to get this resolved as quickly as possible.” It’s very possible that the DNC will act promptly to restore the Sanders camp’s access, once it receives an accounting. Let’s hope it does so.

 

[Yellowtail]

@mmurraypolitics

DNC Chair DWS tells @tamronhall that the allegation is the Sanders staffer accessed Clinton voter-file info, exported it, and downloaded it

@danmericacnn

NGP-VAN says "only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data" they didn't own.

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[Angry Grimace]

I was going to make a sarcastic post about the DNC coronating Hillary, but I see Poe's Law took care of it for me holy shit

 

[Slayven]

Bernie should spit in the DNC's eye and run independent

 

[cackhyena]

Are you suggesting it is Bernie supporters that are petty and that some how all Hillary supporters are enlightened and above that?

We just aren't hearing it because Hillary supporters have no reason at all to be even entertaining the possibility as of now.

Now there could be an argument that Sanders supporters would have MORE people like that, but who wants to have this argument anyway?

What? I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying it's kind of preposterous to think that many, if any democrats as to the left as a Sander's or Clinton supporter would jump ship.

 

[rjinaz]

This is potentially very serious. It's no wonder the DNC are suspending access till they get a full account.

And that's weird because in the Times report we have this:

Stu Trevelyan, the chief executive officer of NGP VAN, stressed that users of the database from the Sanders campaign were able to search by and view, but not export or save or act on, “some attributes” that came from the Clinton campaign.

 

[rjinaz]

What? I'm not suggesting anything. I'm saying it's kind of preposterous to think that many, if any democrats as to the left as a Sander's or Clinton supporter would jump ship.

Oh sorry then, misread what you wrote then. I agree with you.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

So Hillary's been grooming people on the inside of Bernie's campaign for decades. This along with paying off Trump to ruin the Republican convention sure seems to be working out. Hopefully when she's emperor of the universe she'll let us know why she let Obama win last time.

 

[Indicate]

Might have missed it, but the Washington Post is calling for Sander's campaigns access to be restored.

There's a petition going around asking the DNC to restore access. There's almost 100,000 signatures.

Edit: It just surpassed 109,000 signatures. It's moving fast.

 

[benjipwns]

And you can bet your ass Bernie will be in the debate Saturday. This is just the controversy needed to drum up some ratings in a tough timeslot

I wouldn't put it past the media to frame Bernie to both get ratings and back their favored candidate Hillary.

 

[TheFatOne]

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Now this is interesting.

 

[benjipwns]

Hopefully when she's emperor of the universe she'll let us know why she let Obama win last time.

Her Wall Street puppeteers told her the economy was about to crash.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Bernie should spit in the DNC's eye and run independent

Bernie isn't Trump. Running independent would all but guarantee a republican is elected and make his entire message a joke.

 

[The Technomancer]

@mmurraypolitics

DNC Chair DWS tells @tamronhall that the allegation is the Sanders staffer accessed Clinton voter-file info, exported it, and downloaded it

Yikes! If that's true thats much worse then I was envisioning, and maybe this does deserve some serious scrutiny.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Bernie should spit in the DNC's eye and run independent

I sincerely hope Bernie isn't petty enough to burn the country down in spite.

The fact that his (apparent?) supporters are okay with this is just I don't even know

 

[CDX]

Might have missed it, but the Washington Post is calling for Sander's campaigns access to be restored.

Well now that's up to the Bernie campaign. It's not a permanent ban. The ball is entirely is Bernie's court now

The Bernie campaign has to first formally explain just WTH happened, and assure it wont happen again. Then they'll get access again.

The 4 user accounts VS only one person being fired is probably something that has to be looked into.

@mmurraypolitics

DNC Chair DWS tells @tamronhall that the allegation is the Sanders staffer accessed Clinton voter-file info, exported it, and downloaded it



@danmericacnn

NGP-VAN says "only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data" they didn't own.

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If he downloaded stuff ...that doesn't look good.

 

[rjinaz]

I sincerely hope Bernie isn't petty enough to burn the country down in spite.

The fact that his (apparent?) supporters are okay with this is just I don't even know

Slayven is not a Bernie supporter and was obviously being sarcastic. Bernie has already stated HE WILL NOT run 3rd party.

 

[pigeon]

Yup, that's a Clinton supporter in a nutshell. If Bernie does somehow wins the primary, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Clinton supporters not voting or voting for Republican.

In the sense that there are people who would vote for Clinton but not Sanders, this is obviously true. That's, like, the definition of electability.

 

[Slayven]

Bernie isn't Trump. Running independent would all but guarantee a republican is elected and make his entire message a joke.

I sincerely hope Bernie isn't petty enough to burn the country down in spite.

The fact that his (apparent?) supporters are okay with this is just I don't even know

Does it matter? Both parties are pretty much the same.

 

[Indicate]

From NGP VAN

The security and privacy of our customers’ data is a top priority. Over the company’s 19 year history, we’ve not had a problem with that; but on Wednesday, we did have a brief isolated issue for users of one of our products.

First, no NGP data was impacted by this situation, nor any Action ID or FastAction data. No client websites or web site data were impacted, either. For VAN clients, no myMembers, myWorkers, or myCampaigns data was impacted. The one area that was impacted was voter file data. We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns. NGP VAN is providing a thorough report to the DNC on what happened and conducting a review to ensure the integrity of the system.

Here’s what happened.

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.

We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to within the limited timeframe when the bug was live. Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.

We are honored to work with the DNC, the Clinton campaign, and the Sanders campaign. At the request of the DNC on Thursday, Sanders campaign access was suspended pending the campaign reporting on its access of the data; NGP VAN played no role in making that decision, and contractually could not. Again, this bug was a brief isolated issue, and we are not aware of any previous reports of such data being inappropriately available. We look forward to supporting all our Democratic clients, and in particular apologize to the DNC, Clinton and Sanders campaigns for our bug Wednesday. We will continue to work with and report to the DNC regarding this issue to ensure that this isolated incident does not recur. We have and will do better.

Moving forward, we are adding to our safeguards around these issues. We have thousands of automated tests and extensive code review and release procedures in place to prevent these types of issues, and will add more. If any clients have any questions, feel free to contact me. Again, we are confident that your data is secure, and the security and privacy of your data is a top priority for us.

 

[noshten]

Yikes! If that's true thats much worse then I was envisioning, and maybe this does deserve some serious scrutiny.

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

So either the vendor is lying or DWS

 

[benjipwns]

Will the Obama Administration be bringing criminal charges against Sanders?

I don't think you can have something super-illegal happen and not bring federal charges.

I mean, unless it's Hillary's Wall Street Cronies doing it.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Does it matter? Both parties are pretty much the same.

I know you're kidding, but there are people actually wanting that so I felt it needed to be said.

 

[pigeon]

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

So either the vendor is lying or DWS

Anything you can view, you can save if you care enough to do so.

 

[Incognito]

Will the Obama Administration be bringing criminal charges against Sanders?

I don't think you can have something super-illegal happen and not bring federal charges.

I mean, unless it's Hillary's Wall Street Cronies doing it.

about time they get serious about white collar crime

 

[Zornack]

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

So either the vendor is lying or DWS

NPG VAN's wording is weird. They say the data was not savable but that Bernie's camp could have "retained" what they had access to.

If the campaigns explanation pans out then it's pretty clear.

Wow, if true then that staffer is a complete idiot. "Hey guys this data shouldn't be accessible, let's all go look at it and not inform the parties involved!"

 

[WedgeX]

Well now that's up to the Bernie campaign. It's not a permanent ban. The ball is entirely is Bernie's court now

The Bernie campaign has to first formally explain just WTH happened, and assure it wont happen again. Then they'll get access again.

The 4 user accounts VS only one person being fired is probably something that has to be looked into.















If he downloaded stuff ...that doesn't look good.

If the campaigns explanation pans out then it's pretty clear.

On the other hand, multiple accounts say that as many as four users associated with the Sanders campaign may have accessed the Clinton data. The Sanders campaign does not deny this; it says that those staffers did so at the behest of their boss, the staffer who has been fired

 

[CDX]

From NGP VAN



We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to within the limited timeframe when the bug was live. Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.

We are honored to work with the DNC, the Clinton campaign, and the Sanders campaign. At the request of the DNC on Thursday, Sanders campaign access was suspended pending the campaign reporting on its access of the data; NGP VAN played no role in making that decision, and contractually could not. Again, this bug was a brief isolated issue, and we are not aware of any previous reports of such data being inappropriately available. We look forward to supporting all our Democratic clients, and in particular apologize to the DNC, Clinton and Sanders campaigns for our bug Wednesday. We will continue to work with and report to the DNC regarding this issue to ensure that this isolated incident does not recur. We have and will do better.

first we have the downloading quote from a tweet above, now we have

"possibly have led to it retaining data"

If that guy downloaded and saved stuff that makes it worse.
I hope for Bernie's sake, that idiot he employed didn't do that.

 

[A Human Becoming]

As a Bernie supporter these conspiracy theories are sad to see but not surprising. Hopefully this will be dealt with soon so the campaign can move on.

 

[pigeon]

NPG VAN's wording is weird. They say the data was not savable but that Bernie's camp could have "retained" what they had access to.

VAN presumably has an export function that dumps the data in an interchange format for ease of transfer.

What they're saying is that you couldn't do that, but once you viewed the data, you could always take a screenshot or open an excel doc and capture the data by hand.

 

[Ninja Of Chaos]

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

So either the vendor is lying or DWS

couldn't the guy do like...print screen or something? Wouldn't that still be saving the data, but technically it isn't a direct download off the server?

 

[Zornack]

VAN presumably has an export function that dumps the data in an interchange format for ease of transfer.

What they're saying is that you couldn't do that, but once you viewed the data, you could always take a screenshot or open an excel doc and capture the data by hand.

Ah, sure, that does make sense. If the staffer did something like that too, then... goddamn, what a moron.

 

[Euron]

Yup, that's a Clinton supporter in a nutshell. If Bernie does somehow wins the primary, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Clinton supporters not voting or voting for Republican.

Way to generalize an entire group. Honestly I see it as far more likely that a Bernie supporter would refuse to vote for Hillary out of spite judging by the way so many lash out at Hillary. But fuck generalizing. Many Clinton supporters are going her way because she's easily the most electable, which is true. They're doing this to prevent another Republican from taking office as president. Why on Earth would they go against everything they stand for?

Is there a chance that a few might do this? Absolutely. But it's a factor present in every group and it's simply a minority of a minority of people. You have absolutely no reason to make such absurd and sweeping generalizations.

And before you call me a "whiney Hillary supporter" or something, I wouldn't exactly call myself a big fan of her but I do see her as the only one who would actually be able to get any of her policies accomplished.

 

[benjipwns]

As a Bernie supporter these conspiracy theories are sad to see but not surprising. Hopefully this will be dealt with soon so the campaign can move on.

It will probably be dealt with by the DNC forcing Bernie to end his campaign or lose his Senate seat.

 

[Loudninja]

As a Bernie supporter these conspiracy theories are sad to see but not surprising. Hopefully this will be dealt with soon so the campaign can move on.

Umm what?

 

[JustenP88]

As a Bernie supporter these conspiracy theories are sad to see but not surprising. Hopefully this will be dealt with soon so the campaign can move on.

I'm not seeing much of that outside of Benji's posts and Benji's posts aren't real.

 

[Kite]

Anything you can view, you can save if you care enough to do so.

Are we talking about PrintScreen/Ctrl-C Ctrl-V/taking cellphone pic level stuff?

 

[pigeon]

I'm not seeing much of that outside of Benji's posts and Benji's posts aren't real.

In fairness, neither is the state.

 

[TheOohChild]

To add a voice for the sane Bernie supporter crowd: I think the DNC acted accordingly to one of his staffers jeopardizing the integrity of his campaign, and there is no way I would vote for him if he ran third party.

Now please go on with all of your pleasant sarcasm.

 

[Subtle]

As a Bernie supporter these conspiracy theories are sad to see but not surprising. Hopefully this will be dealt with soon so the campaign can move on.

I'd say they're premature considering the lack of info we have, but the DNC can be pretty shady. Wouldn't put it past them to excessively punish Sanders for this.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I'm not seeing much of that outside of Benji's posts and Benji's posts aren't real.

You see it outside of GAF.

Umm what?

What don't you understand?

I'd say they're premature considering the lack of info we have, but the DNC can be pretty shady. Wouldn't put it past them to excessively punish Sanders for this.

Let's not go down this road. If they restore access within a day or even two people just need to move on.

 

[Netherscourge]

Well, looks like Hillary got this all wrapped up now.

A shame - Sanders had some great ideas.

 

[benjipwns]

I'm not seeing much of that outside of Benji's posts and Benji's posts aren't real.

You're not real. None of you are!

 

[B-Dubs]

You're not real. None of you are!

We're all just the cosmic dream of some crazy superbieng.

 

[Maledict]

I'd say they're premature considering the lack of info we have, but the DNC can be pretty shady. Wouldn't put it past them to excessively punish Sanders for this.

Like they excessively punished Clinton in 2008 by reducing Michigans and Floridas delegate count after they changed their primary deadline?

Anyone seeing any sort of plot or Ill dealings behind this is grasping at less than nothing. Even if the DNC was completely in the bag for Clinton, why would they do this? She's winning! Her position as front runner over the last two months hasn't gotten worse, it's improved - why would they do this *now*? There's no credible motive for this action other than the one on paper - Sanders dumb staff did something wrong and they've suspended access whilst they work out exactly what was done.

Sanders campaign staff have been dreadful from the very start - he's succeeded in spite of them, not because of it. It shouldn't surprise anyone whose been following the campaigns that one of his senior folk did this.

 

[Zornack]

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

According to data obtained by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of unique voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in ten early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

The compromised data reflects major financial investments by the Clinton campaign, and if the Sanders campaign did download and retain Clinton’s campaign data, it would mitigate some of the advantage she may have gained in voter outreach and listbuilding.

 

[Zyae]

I was going to make a sarcastic post about the DNC coronating Hillary, but I see Poe's Law took care of it for me holy shit

why? DNC wanting Clinton is as obvious as the RNC NOT wanting Trump.

 

[pigeon]

Are we talking about PrintScreen/Ctrl-C Ctrl-V/taking cellphone pic level stuff?

I mean, yes, but also, like, be real. A prerequisite to viewing absolutely anything on your computer is that you must download it to your computer. Every time you view a webpage you're saving it to disk first. So if you really wanted to capture that data and you didn't want to do it purely by hand, it would still be easy to do it using view. Just do the equivalent of curl >> secretdata.txt.

 

[fantomena]

Sad to hear.

To me Bernie is kinda uninteresting. It's the amount of wordpread and grassroot power I find interesting.

As a socialdemocrat I found Hillary to be too much right-sided.

I would rather have Hillary as potus than a republican, but Hillary is pretty bad too imo.