Do you think Sony should continue marketing CoD or start to wean their userbase off?

Godot25 said:
You know that if Sony/Microsoft said that those game will be multiplatform and they one day decide to make them exclusive, then FTC can revisit those mergers and order companies to split again, right?

Microsoft is not stupid. They won't make COD exclusive because that will keep status quo where Call of Duty is top dog. You can't have top dog, when you are only on selected platforms. That's why it would not surprise me if Microsoft would bring COD on Switch through cloud. Any by that they can effectively "block" creating competition while having best deal through Series S/Game Pass combo.
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Sure but i also don't expect those agreements to remain in perpetuity. the game landscape changes everyday, there might not be a reason for them to continue releasing mainline call of duty games on playstation. Bungie may also decide that the market for their games on xbox isn't there anymore, and stick to developing for PC/PS.

I don't think the FTC can do shit if one day during the ps6 or xboxs2 lifespan they decide to make one of those new games exclusive to their platform. I also don't think Bungie ever specifically said anything about Xbox.

They said they will 'continue releasing games where our audience is' and 'it will stay multiplatform'…so they gave themselves enough room to drop xbox if they want, whenever they want.
 
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Godot25 said:
Yeah. And that's kinda appeal of Call of Duty. That every year you have complete package. Campaign, Battle Royale, Multiplayer, Zombies/Spec Ops mode. It's one of the reason, why COD is more popular, but also more labour intensive then Apex Legends, since Apex is "just Battle Royale."

It's not rocket science. You want more stuff, you need more employees. Duh?
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Do people want more stuff? Is the next CoD after MWII gonna be a mega hit or is it gonna be another Cold War or Vanguard? Do people want anything besides modern warfare?

Are people even going to care about mainline CoD in a few years? I have friends right now that only turn on their consoles for Warzone. We also see other battle royal continuing to get more popular, there may not be a huge market left for arena shooters by the end of this generation.
 
John Wick said:
What shit are you chatting? There is no set no of employees anyone needs to develop a game. How do you know it can't be done with 1499,1498,1492,1400,1300? This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.
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Of course there is not arbitrary number. But come on. Arguing with Halo 3 in year 2022 is funny at best and clueless at worst.

Just look at Bungie. Yeah, PvE team is knocking stuff out of park, but PvP is dead content wise for years and don't get me started on Gambit. And also don't get me started on Bungie's reuse of assets.

So if Bungie, that has 1300 employees can't 100% support Destiny 2 why do you think Sony can create game that would rival Call of Duty without creating huge new studio or sacrificing several of their existing studios to that cause?

I mean, if you think you can create competent live service game with regular content drops with studio that are big as Guerrilla Games, then be my guest :)
 
Cod will be on playstation platform
Destiny will be on Xbox platform

Honestly nothing will change. Not this year, or in 3 years. These are multiplaform games. It's strength is it's user base, frankly if they could release it on a game boy they would.

MS or Sony ( or any company really ) do not give a shit about you . They don't follow fans. They follow money. You think they gave a shit about their hardcore fans pissed off at them for releasing games on PC ? They act like sluts every time a new release approaches to this day even on this forum.
 
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remember_spinal said:
Those are dead IP. Those names generate interest from a extremely small subsection of gamers these days. They're better off just creating new IP with some of the idea those games had.

As someone said earlier, SOCOM still works today but not with the name attached. SOCOM is not sexy, it always felt like a military recruitment ad game in its marketing.
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Raise from the Ashes like a Phoenix
 
remember_spinal said:
Do people want more stuff? Is the next CoD after MWII gonna be a mega hit or is it gonna be another Cold War or Vanguard? Do people want anything besides modern warfare?

Are people even going to care about mainline CoD in a few years? I have friends right now that only turn on their consoles for Warzone. We also see other battle royal continuing to get more popular, there may not be a huge market left for arena shooters by the end of this generation.
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Clearly the want it. Even Vanguard that sold badly for COD franchise sold most copies of any game in 2021 and only Elden Ring managed to beat it at the start of this year. And that was game made by 3rd class COD developer and in setting that COD players did not wanted (WWII). That should tell you all.

Honestly, with rise of Warzone and live service stuff I expect COD to do bi-annual releases, since there is no reason for Microsoft to risk franchise fatigue if they stick to annual releases. No when they have clusterfuck of studios now. And I think that Sledgehammer will be put outside of COD treadmill. But that last part is just my guess.
 
//DEVIL// said:
Cod will be on playstation platform
Destiny will be on Xbox platform

Honestly nothing will change. Not this year, or in 3 years. These are multiplaform games. It's strength is it's user base, frankly if they could release it on a game boy they would.

MS or Sony ( or any company really ) do not give a shit about you . They don't follow fans. They follow money. You think they gave a shit about their hardcore fans pissed off at them for releasing games on PC ? They act like sluts every time a new release approaches to this day even on this forum.
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This is true but im mostly talking about from a marketing perspective.
 
remember_spinal said:
This is true but im mostly talking about from a marketing perspective.
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There are fees and penalty to be paid if any company cancels on a contract.

I am not sure when Sony deal ends. I thought it's till next year. I don't assume sony can even renew the marketing plan if MS buyout got approved.

There also no main line COD next year. So I am assuming this year / warzone 2 is the end of this deal for both parties
 
Godot25 said:
Yeah. And that's kinda appeal of Call of Duty. That every year you have complete package. Campaign, Battle Royale, Multiplayer, Zombies/Spec Ops mode. It's one of the reason, why COD is more popular, but also more labour intensive then Apex Legends, since Apex is "just Battle Royale."

It's not rocket science. You want more stuff, you need more employees. Duh?
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The point is to create a competitor to Call of Duty.

The mainline Call of Duty series is declining with Warzone taking over. Warzone doesn't require a yearly release to compete, which is the point. Yes, you will generate more money by releasing titles every single year, but you're still going to have that steady player base on warzone for at least the next 3 years.

So to create a competitor then they would have to enter the battle royal space, which doesn't require a yearly release.
 
DForce said:
The point is to create a competitor to Call of Duty.

The mainline Call of Duty series is declining with Warzone taking over. Warzone doesn't require a yearly release to compete, which is the point. Yes, you will generate more money by releasing titles every single year, but you're still going to have that steady player base on warzone for at least the next 3 years.

So to create a competitor then they would have to enter the battle royal space, which doesn't require a yearly release.
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How can you create competitor to Call of Duty while ignoring 3/4 of playerbase of Call of Duty? Yeah, Warzone is immensely popular, but Black Ops Cold War was still best selling premium game of 2020 and you did not need Black Ops Cold War to access Warzone. Because some COD players are here just for multiplayer, some are there for zombies and some are there just for a campaign. And if you want to create something as big as Call of Duty, you need to cater to all of them.

EA has Apex which is popular. Do you think Apex has same amount of players that Call of Duty as a whole has?

We need be clear about things. If question is: "Can Sony make profitable FPS game?" then answer is "of course." If question is: "Can Sony make something that would rival Call of Duty?" then answer is no.
 
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not even CoD players stop themselves from buying CoD.
Someone has the picture of the Steam group "boycott MW2" where almost all were online, playing MW2?

Sony is in a lose or huge lose situation. Either help MS rake in money for their competitor but participate in the income or lose any part on that juggernaut. They probably will try to shift players to some of their future offers, but they have to do something very good, or future AB has to fail at something, to achieve that.
 
remember_spinal said:
Do people want more stuff? Is the next CoD after MWII gonna be a mega hit or is it gonna be another Cold War or Vanguard? Do people want anything besides modern warfare?
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Of course they do.
There's players that want the full package, there's players that only play MP, players that only play the hollywood campaign, players that don't care about MP and only play zombies, players that are fans of black ops instead of modern warfare, players that etc..
CoD has something for everyone.

I personally won't bother with MW2 because it won't have zombies, and I never really cared for the MW setting; I'll prolly run through the campaign one time once it hits game pass or whatever.
 
Godot25 said:
How can you create competitor to Call of Duty while ignoring 3/4 of playerbase of Call of Duty? Yeah, Warzone is immensely popular, but Black Ops Cold War was still best selling premium game of 2020 and you did not need Black Ops Cold War to access Warzone. Because some COD players are here just for multiplayer, some are there for zombies and some are there just for a campaign. And if you want to create something as big as Call of Duty, you need to cater to all of them.

EA has Apex which is popular. Do you think Apex has same amount of players that Call of Duty as a whole has?

We need be clear about things. If question is: "Can Sony make profitable FPS game?" then answer is "of course." If question is: "Can Sony make something that would rival Call of Duty?" then answer is no.
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I don't know why I have to repeat what I just said and elaborate even further because you clearly didn't pay attention.

I said the mainline Call of Duty has declined over the years and it still remains to be seen how it will fare in the future. Vanguard was released late last year and it's being played less than MLB The Show on Xbox consoles. So yes, it generated a lot of sales, but the main series has been declining year after year while people gravitate toward Warzone.

And who said Apex Legends has the same amount of players? I said Warzone is now within the Battle Royal space and there's a lot of competition and the future is unpredictable.

If a developer is going to compete then it has to be within the Battle Royal space, which will require fewer developers. The mainline Call of Duty series may still continue to decline and we may see them adjust in the future. People are looking in the present without looking into what may happen in the future.
 
Godot25 said:
We need be clear about things. If question is: "Can Sony make profitable FPS game?" then answer is "of course." If question is: "Can Sony make something that would rival Call of Duty?" then answer is no.
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I think the better question is, does Sony need to create a direct competitor? Answer is probably not.

If Microsoft were to get bold and take it off Playstation and put it on Gamepass, it already diminishes the value of the IP. There will not be a mass exodus of playstation players for it, at best peopel go and buy a second console. If they keep it on, nothing really changes, which is the most likely scenario. Xbox gets a nice boost from the association but its still gonna hit a point of diminishing returns on gamepass.

COD will not equal the amount of subs that it loses in direct sales. Which is why it would probably not be in Microsofts best interest to take it off a platform that has an install base of over 100 million players.

Sony doesn't have to make a game that stands toe to toe with COD in order to compete just like they dont have to make a service exactly like gamepass to compete in game services. They can generate the same revenue and interest while investing half the resources, like they've been doing.

I bet Jim Ryan is not thinking "CoD" with this service game initiative, i guarantee he's thinking fortnite and all the ad placement, marketing deals, and multimedia projects that can spawn from it.
 
Godot25 said:
Of course there is not arbitrary number. But come on. Arguing with Halo 3 in year 2022 is funny at best and clueless at worst.

Just look at Bungie. Yeah, PvE team is knocking stuff out of park, but PvP is dead content wise for years and don't get me started on Gambit. And also don't get me started on Bungie's reuse of assets.

So if Bungie, that has 1300 employees can't 100% support Destiny 2 why do you think Sony can create game that would rival Call of Duty without creating huge new studio or sacrificing several of their existing studios to that cause?

I mean, if you think you can create competent live service game with regular content drops with studio that are big as Guerrilla Games, then be my guest :)
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They are gonna have to put a team together for something like Halo/Cod either way. As they don't have one of those types of games of their own. Also with Doom, Wolfenstein etc now exclusive leaves a big gap for someone to come in and fill on PS5
 
yurinka said:
CoD will continue being on PS and looking at its PSVR2 seems to coninue having deals wih Sony, so there's no reason to stop promoting it.

Pretty likely until Sony stops making deals with it, it won't be day one on GP. Once the deals with Sony end and it continues as multiplatform but putting it on GP day one maybe Sony already will have the new Bungie IPs and Firewalk game on the market, and who knows if a shooter from Guerrilla, Firesprite or London, and with the Deviation game in the works.

Then will be the time for Sony to stop marketing CoD and spend that money instead in these other games.


MS's idea is that after the acquisition closes and after they honor pending deals with Sony (which apparently prevent day one on GP for now) CoD and other important Activision Blizzard IPs would continue multiplatform.

Not only in PS, but will expand some of them like CoD to Switch. But being freed from deals with Sony once they end, they would be day one on GP.
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Do you still believe Starfield is coming to Playstation?
 
They are only fullfilling contract obligations. Once it's done that's it. We'll never see exclusive playstation marketing or see cod at any playstation event again.
 
MScarpa said:
Do you still believe Starfield is coming to Playstation?
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MS have never stated Starfield would come to PS5. They have stated that COD will remain on PS. It was a bit of an ambiguous statement but we'll see? As for now COD will remain for the next couple of years,
 
CaptainSlayAHo said:
You're out of your mind if you think the COD's aren't hitting game pass day one lmao

Only way they aren't is if the deal hasn't closed
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MS said they will honor pending deals with Sony after completing acquisition, as they did with Bethesda. If they said that it's because SE has deals with Sony that will end after the acquisition is closed.

The RE Village Sony marketing deal prevented to include the game in a rival subscription for more than a year after its launch, also included exclusivity for its potential VR version, bundles and beta/demos and mentioned the entirity of the series for this generation including possible spinoffs (so can't be skipped with a slightly modifited version with another name).

We don't know how many CoD games has signed, but very likely the deal may be similar.

RoadHazard said:
I believe Phil said they're not gonna take games away from the PlayStation audience, but that probably means that Warzone will remain but all future main CODs after 2023 or so will be Xbox/PC only.

And before anyone says "Microsoft would be dumb to not release these games everywhere, why would they want to leave money on the table?": Starfield and (almost certainly) TES6.
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Not only Phil, the president of MS said on tv that they'll continue releasing CoD on PS and even Switch after they complete the acquisition and after they complete their deals. When talking about this in legally binding SEC filings for their investors and regulators Activision did use Minecraft (which released all its -post acquisition- new console games and DLC on PS day one) as example of MS not interested on stop supporting other consoles when they acquire big existing IPs.

All Zenimax games and DLCs released after the acquisition have been released on PS. And Ghostwire still isn't available on Xbox or GamePass.
 
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Is destiny 2 on ps + premium? Cuz it should be, with its dlc. Start marketing destiny with your monthly subscription would be a good place to start.

But I don't see them tapering off with the marketing for cod. Since it's already paid might as well use it to the fullest while you still can.
 
Sony needs to give me a first party, AAA cod-like title. Either Killzone, and FPS/Third Person Shooter SOCOM that operates similar to Ghost Recon, or some kind of modern military shooter. Imagine Naughty Dog, Guerilla, Bend or Insomniac making an FPS game? I would be unbelievable. This is what I suspect the Bungie acquisition was all about.
 
Delco Airsoft said:
Sony needs to give me a first party, AAA cod-like title. Either Killzone, and FPS/Third Person Shooter SOCOM that operates similar to Ghost Recon, or some kind of modern military shooter. Imagine Naughty Dog, Guerilla, Bend or Insomniac making an FPS game? I would be unbelievable. This is what I suspect the Bungie acquisition was all about.
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John Wick said:
MS have never stated Starfield would come to PS5. They have stated that COD will remain on PS. It was a bit of an ambiguous statement but we'll see? As for now COD will remain for the next couple of years,
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I wasn't asking you. No offense I was asking Yurinka. He thinks Starfield is coming to Playstation. Go ahead, ask him. It's why he doesn't respond. Because it's ridiculous.
 
Badlucktroll said:
Maybe Bungie will cook up a crazy addictive new IP that dethrones Warzone.
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No platform exclusive game will ever dethrone COD. To even challenge COD the way Fortnite has been able to, you must make your game available on every major platform and even then it's just wishful thinking at best.
 
John Wick said:
So if COD leaves in say 3 years Sony shouldn't try to make something of it's own? The next hit can be around the corner. They have Bungie and I'm sure they can put a team together capable of making a great multiplayer shooter.
So outside of Halo what great FPS did MS have?
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They should and I'm sure they will, but I'm not confident they can do it. All their shooters have been mediocre at best IMO.
They couldn't get to Halo levels, they won't get to CoD levels.
 
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