Doctor Who Off-Season | Hey Missy, you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind
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Just watched Cyberbully (good TV-film; a bit contrived, but well executed), starring Maisie. She's good in GoT, but even better here; she's on screen 90% of the one hour running time and carries it all the way.
Can't wait to see her on Doctor Who. Let's hope it's a good character.
Can't wait to see her on Doctor Who. Let's hope it's a good character.
Cool to see Maisie is guest staring in Doctor Who.
I'm very happy to see Matheison return for another episode, of all the writers last year he's the one I most wanted to see return. He was easily the best new writer on Who last year.
I'm also looking forward to seeing the episode from Tregenna, as others have said some of her Torchwood episodes were some of the better ones so hopefully her Who episode is good.
I'm very happy to see Matheison return for another episode, of all the writers last year he's the one I most wanted to see return. He was easily the best new writer on Who last year.
I'm also looking forward to seeing the episode from Tregenna, as others have said some of her Torchwood episodes were some of the better ones so hopefully her Who episode is good.
Here's a bit of fanwanky speculation. No spoilers, apart from one guest actor. None of this will happen probably, but eh, what else are we going to talk about.
So, one of the guest actors next season is going to be Struan Rodger. He already appeared in the show before as the voice of the Face of Boe, but I'll ignore that for now. A friend pointed out that he looks remarkably like the first Doctor in Game of Thrones:
Sure, sure, we already had David Bradley playing the First Doctor during the 50th anniversary, and he'd probably be the first choice if they ever tried to bring the First Doctor back for something. And, more importantly, they'll probably won't bring back the First Doctor at all, especially so soon after the last multidoctor special.
Except, what if they do? Moffat certainly isn't scared to go deep into the history of the Doctor (as evidenced by Clara showing up under the bed of the youngest version of the Doctor we've ever seen last season), and we still have this little unresolved storyline.
Peter Capaldi as Caecilius in Fires of Pompeii
Peter Capaldi as John Frobisher in Torchwood: Children of Earth (Frobisher was also the name of the Sixth Doctor's shapeshifting pinguin companion, but I won't go down that rabbit hole for now - although a shapeshifting pinguin being behind it all would explain everything)
So yeah, Peter Capaldi showed up in the show before he became the Doctor. Could be something that's easily ignored, but we already had the Doctor wondering where he had seen his own face before a couple of times last season. And this isn't the first time characters looking identical to a certain Doctor have showed up in the show. Something that, again, could be easily ignored, but could also be mined for weird plots.
Other Timelords who went through the same thing:
Anthony Ainley as Tremas in the Keeper of Traken, before he became the Master. This one was explained as well as the Master specifically stealing that body. He later pulls more or less the same trick in the TV Movie with McGann
Of course, there are many more instances of actors who played the Doctor playing other characters over the years in the audio's and some fanfilms from the 90s, but I won't go into those for the sake of sanity.
The one that I wanted to talk about when I started writing this post:
William Hartnell as the Abbot of Amboise in The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve. The Doctor and the Abbot never actually come face to face in this story (they save that little trick for Enemy of the World).
My prediction: Struan Rodger won't be playing the First Doctor in the next series, but he will be playing the Abbot of Amboise, setting in motion a series of events in which the Doctor tries to find out why there are duplicates of himself scattered around time.
None of this will happen, but if it does, I demand some sort of prize.
So, one of the guest actors next season is going to be Struan Rodger. He already appeared in the show before as the voice of the Face of Boe, but I'll ignore that for now. A friend pointed out that he looks remarkably like the first Doctor in Game of Thrones:
Sure, sure, we already had David Bradley playing the First Doctor during the 50th anniversary, and he'd probably be the first choice if they ever tried to bring the First Doctor back for something. And, more importantly, they'll probably won't bring back the First Doctor at all, especially so soon after the last multidoctor special.
Except, what if they do? Moffat certainly isn't scared to go deep into the history of the Doctor (as evidenced by Clara showing up under the bed of the youngest version of the Doctor we've ever seen last season), and we still have this little unresolved storyline.
Peter Capaldi as Caecilius in Fires of Pompeii
Peter Capaldi as John Frobisher in Torchwood: Children of Earth (Frobisher was also the name of the Sixth Doctor's shapeshifting pinguin companion, but I won't go down that rabbit hole for now - although a shapeshifting pinguin being behind it all would explain everything)
So yeah, Peter Capaldi showed up in the show before he became the Doctor. Could be something that's easily ignored, but we already had the Doctor wondering where he had seen his own face before a couple of times last season. And this isn't the first time characters looking identical to a certain Doctor have showed up in the show. Something that, again, could be easily ignored, but could also be mined for weird plots.
Colin Baker playing Maxil, a Galifrayan Guard Commander in Arc of Infinity, before he got the role as the Doctor.
Patrick Throughton as Ramón Salamander in Enemy of the World, opposite himself as the Second Doctor
Other Timelords who went through the same thing:
Lalla Ward as Princess Astra in The Armageddon Factor, before she was cast as the second incarnation of Romana. This one was actually explained in-universe by showing that Romana somehow has more control over her regenerations, and she specifically decides to model herself after Astra.
Anthony Ainley as Tremas in the Keeper of Traken, before he became the Master. This one was explained as well as the Master specifically stealing that body. He later pulls more or less the same trick in the TV Movie with McGann
Of course, there are many more instances of actors who played the Doctor playing other characters over the years in the audio's and some fanfilms from the 90s, but I won't go into those for the sake of sanity.
The one that I wanted to talk about when I started writing this post:
William Hartnell as the Abbot of Amboise in The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve. The Doctor and the Abbot never actually come face to face in this story (they save that little trick for Enemy of the World).
My prediction: Struan Rodger won't be playing the First Doctor in the next series, but he will be playing the Abbot of Amboise, setting in motion a series of events in which the Doctor tries to find out why there are duplicates of himself scattered around time.
None of this will happen, but if it does, I demand some sort of prize.
peanutbutterlatte
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I think that "storyline" will just be a cute reference. I don't trust Moffatt to pull off something that clever anyway.
Oh yeah, I don't really believe Moffat will go that deep with that story - especially considering The Massacre doesn't exist anymore and hasn't been seen by anyone for 50 years.
Still, what's the point of watching the entire classic series if you can't pop out a crackpot theory now and again.
Edit: That said, the first episode that aired after they found the previously missing Web of Fear (Second Doctor against the Yeti in the London Underground) had quite a lot of references to that story - most notably bringing back the Great Intelligence and the Doctor giving him the inspiration to use the Underground to attack London - which he later (from the Intelligence's perspective) does in Web of Fear. Coincidentally, the other story they found and rereleased at that time was Enemy of the World, which is the one I mentioned above with Throughton playing a different character besides the Doctor.
Additional theory: they found a complete copy of The Massacre and they'll release it just before the return of the Abbot in the modern series.
Still, what's the point of watching the entire classic series if you can't pop out a crackpot theory now and again.
Edit: That said, the first episode that aired after they found the previously missing Web of Fear (Second Doctor against the Yeti in the London Underground) had quite a lot of references to that story - most notably bringing back the Great Intelligence and the Doctor giving him the inspiration to use the Underground to attack London - which he later (from the Intelligence's perspective) does in Web of Fear. Coincidentally, the other story they found and rereleased at that time was Enemy of the World, which is the one I mentioned above with Throughton playing a different character besides the Doctor.
Additional theory: they found a complete copy of The Massacre and they'll release it just before the return of the Abbot in the modern series.
I personally think that idea was resolved in Deep Breath.
When the Doctor questions where his face comes from, I think it's meant to play into his questioning whether he's good or bad; whether he's a Caecilius or a Frobisher. I don't think Moffat ever intended to make it a storyline or anything, but does acknowledge that perhaps the faces are drawn from somewhere.
I don't think we'll ever know the full story, and I don't think Moffat intends to tell.
When the Doctor questions where his face comes from, I think it's meant to play into his questioning whether he's good or bad; whether he's a Caecilius or a Frobisher. I don't think Moffat ever intended to make it a storyline or anything, but does acknowledge that perhaps the faces are drawn from somewhere.
I don't think we'll ever know the full story, and I don't think Moffat intends to tell.
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I got the distinct impression that there is supposed to be an actual story behind it. Apparently the genesis of the concept was a conversation with RTD.
It's possible, we'll see.
He did talk about it quite a while ago though, and while I think he might have the story developed in his head, I have a feeling he chickened out and decided to merely allude to the possibility.
I had the same impression as DoctorWho about having a story behind seeing his familiar face.
I remember way back in the early parts of Series 8 that, maybe incorrectly, Missy was going to end up being someone who has the answers to why he has the same face as Caecilius and Frobisher. Something about a sort of repository of faces for Time Lords.
I remember way back in the early parts of Series 8 that, maybe incorrectly, Missy was going to end up being someone who has the answers to why he has the same face as Caecilius and Frobisher. Something about a sort of repository of faces for Time Lords.
RTD had a reasoning for their being two Capaldi characters in the universe. Moffat knew he had one and asked RTD if it would still work with Capaldi as the Doctor, which he confirmed. Moffat is still going to use it, but he is playing the long game with that plot.
Didn't the 12th hint that he chose the face but couldn't remember why? I mean, he never met Capaldi from Torchwood on-screen, did he?
If the "why did the Doctor choose Capaldi's face" thing is to be a plot, then it will be resolved at the end of Capaldi's tenure (like the regeneration thing was for Smith), and I suspect that will mark the end of Moffat's time as showrunner at the same time - no point committing to a new Doctor and (presumably) a new companion...
I could see Moffat leaving the show with Capaldi, or Moffat leaving the show with Jenna, but not both. He's talked before about how hard it was for him to write The Eleventh and introduce a new Doctor, companion, and overall style all in one hour so I'd doubt he would do the same to his successor.
Maisie guesting is cool. Matheison's return is even cooler
Anyway, I don't know if this was posted here before, it's a video of Capaldi being cool to kids on the 10th anniversary of NuWho.
Around 2:45 he mentions Susan, which I think they should do an episode with her during Capaldi's tenure.
I love the long hair for Capaldi, fits his Doctor extremely well. Man I wish I was there and he was in character for young adults too. Such an amazing guy to fans, I would totally be shell-shocked.
I really hope Susan shows up soon, and it has to show a Carol Ann Ford regeneration if it is proven the character can regenerate. I'd imagine she would have less screaming and be more of a hardened person through all of her years.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I imagine that Capaldi's hair works similar to Colin Bakers hair, the longer it grows, the friendlier he ends up being.
StopMakingSense
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Guest star for the new series. awww yeah
Wait, Who actors are supposed to end up on GoT, not the other way around!
Yeah, it's crazy how that worked with Colin. His Doc was way less creepy at the end.
12 is already more friendly than 6 at the beginning of his run though haha. No strangling.
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I rewatched Time of the Doctor today, and I have to say: What a fucking mess of an episode, but how full of magnificent moments and ideas. Moffat in full-on RTD mode with that one.
I'm a Moffat fan-but this is how I would describe a lot of episodes in his run.
ClivePwned
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Moffat needs a script editor armed with a big stick and a taser.
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The gate swings both ways, no?
Wasn't Ser Friendzone on Who after he appeared in GoT? Same with Davos and Edmure Tully in Cold War.
Huh, the most interesting thing in that would be the introductions by Peter Capaldi for earlier episodes such as Blink and Vampires in Venice. I don't think I'll pay for it if they're as short as that free video though.
Apparently in the new Issue of Doctor Who Magazine Moffat says that BBC Worldwide has had talks with Moffat about their plans for the show for the next 5 years.
Of course BBC Worldwide doesn't produce Doctor Who and Doctor Who is in no danger of getting canceled, but it is nice to see BBC is that dedicated to the future of Doctor Who.
Of course BBC Worldwide doesn't produce Doctor Who and Doctor Who is in no danger of getting canceled, but it is nice to see BBC is that dedicated to the future of Doctor Who.
StopMakingSense
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According to IMDB, Ian Glen was on Who the year before, and Davos was on GoT prior and Edmure was on about the same time in that episode.
But yeah I forgot about Cold War.
JonathanEx
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And Worldwide not at all shitting themselves over Top Gear and panicking to protect all other assets.
Yeah I guess that Doctor Who is now BBC Worldwide's biggest asset now that Top Gear is done, which is nothing but good for Doctor Who. I'm sure Worldwide will do their best to prevent things like the gap year from ever happening again.
Maisie Williams guest starring is cool, she was always the standout of the young actors on GoT.
I would imagine it's like this way for most tv series showrunners, they run the show and have to make changes all the time to make things fit and work within the show.
This news has got me really excited. Loved Flatline and MotOE.
I didn't quite like it as much on rewatch, but the first 15ish minutes and last 15ish minutes are still lovely.
ClivePwned
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Going through Nu-Who season one again (on bluray, this time).
Aliens of London/ World War III is definitely a mixed bag of shash.
The farting (though explained) is stupid, the constant unzipping, the ridiculous 3-way cliffhanger, the UK needing the UN to use its own weapons, blah, blah.
But the main cast/regulars are great and Penelope Wilton is brilliant as Harriet.
I also noticed Mickey has a copy of Battlefield Earth on his shelves during the scenes where he's hacking into the defence grid.
I got legit chills when the Dalek preview came on.
Aliens of London/ World War III is definitely a mixed bag of shash.
The farting (though explained) is stupid, the constant unzipping, the ridiculous 3-way cliffhanger, the UK needing the UN to use its own weapons, blah, blah.
But the main cast/regulars are great and Penelope Wilton is brilliant as Harriet.
I also noticed Mickey has a copy of Battlefield Earth on his shelves during the scenes where he's hacking into the defence grid.
I got legit chills when the Dalek preview came on.
peanutbutterlatte
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It's worth it for the regen scene and the concept. As with many, many Moffat storylines, the concept/idea is WAY cooler than the execution.
I enjoyed Time of the Doctor, but this is my opinion on it.
Regeneration scene was amazing, especially because of how much of a contrast it was to 10's regeneration.
So many great bits packed into the scene:
The Akhaten music was a great choice.
"I'll always remember when the Doctor was me."
Amy showing up and "Good night, Raggedy Man."
Taking off the bowtie.
The quick turn into 12.
peanutbutterlatte
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The "We're all different people" speech has become particularly poignant to me in the last few months. I've been through a really strange, upsetting time in my life. I've found myself changing as a person.
But that's okay. So long as you remember all the people that you used to be.
But that's okay. So long as you remember all the people that you used to be.
So my big re-watch of the rebooted series got up to Voyage of the Damned this past weekend.
It's been a while, so I'd kind of forgotten how the plot goes. Vaguely remembered some details about the ship nearly hitting Buckingham Palace.
Suffice to say, I assume the BBC aren't going to repeat that particular episode for a while without some heavy editing...
It's been a while, so I'd kind of forgotten how the plot goes. Vaguely remembered some details about the ship nearly hitting Buckingham Palace.
Suffice to say, I assume the BBC aren't going to repeat that particular episode for a while without some heavy editing...
April fools.
World War III was the first episode of Doctor Who I saw, and I stuck around so it can't have been that bad. The worst part was that I missed Dalek, the next episode I saw was Father's Day.
Thank god, the Peter Capaldi FB page just linked to it
Fidelis Hodie
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Dalek is so damn good. Still top 5 material for me.
Finally watched the christmas special, really liked it. Oddly excited for way more Clara.
Finally watched the christmas special, really liked it. Oddly excited for way more Clara.
A video popped up of Mark Gatiss talking at the annual LGBT Humanist gala last year. I haven't watched it entirely, but it's mostly about his career as a gay actor/writer and his perspective on these things. Doctor Who came up as well (for example the 'gay agenda' criticism of the RTD era). It's interesting stuff.
Anyway, the question came up if he wanted to take over as showrunner for Doctor Who. Here's what he said:
Which is pretty much a non-answer, but he did show a bit of reluctance when he was asked the same question at earlier events. He's obviously not going to announce anything at something like that (if only because it could fuel rumors that Moffat might be leaving soon, and they're friends after all), but it does indicate that Gatiss might not be so interested as people often assume.
Here's the video: https://youtu.be/Bs7lZ1m9fFU
Edit: In case anyone is wondering, the 'new Doctor Who' he's talking about is probably the episode for the next series. The gala where the video was shot was late last year, and he's already confirmed as a writer for one episode this year.
Anyway, the question came up if he wanted to take over as showrunner for Doctor Who. Here's what he said:
Which is pretty much a non-answer, but he did show a bit of reluctance when he was asked the same question at earlier events. He's obviously not going to announce anything at something like that (if only because it could fuel rumors that Moffat might be leaving soon, and they're friends after all), but it does indicate that Gatiss might not be so interested as people often assume.
Here's the video: https://youtu.be/Bs7lZ1m9fFU
Edit: In case anyone is wondering, the 'new Doctor Who' he's talking about is probably the episode for the next series. The gala where the video was shot was late last year, and he's already confirmed as a writer for one episode this year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02nvv3j
Capaldi in character talking about his companions. The Susan bit at the beginning was sweet, and I thought he was gonna say "I'll see her again soon, I hope."
Capaldi in character talking about his companions. The Susan bit at the beginning was sweet, and I thought he was gonna say "I'll see her again soon, I hope."
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See I find it odd that there were some murmurs of Maisie Williams playing Susan and then Capaldi drops a little hint here. Bit of an odd clip to have on the site given that the vast majority of that clip is his emotional reaction to thinking about Susan. Moffat is incredibly tight-lipped about who she is playing and the shot of her on the TARDIS does give me Susan vibes. Going back to his grandaughter and her giving him hell for never seeing her again would be an interesting arc. She's in two episodes called 'The girl who died' and 'The Woman Who lived'.
Probably all a coincidence but I am always clamoring for a few links to classic Who in the newer series.
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According to an interview that Murray Gold gave on the Radio Free Skaro podcast, the series 8 soundtrack is going to be three discs long, featuring an extended version of the series 8 theme. He's hoping to get it out before the Symphonic Spectular tour next month.
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The Big Finish adaptation of RTD's New Adventure book Damaged Goods was released the other day.
Interestingly, unlike the original book, explicit mention is made of Torchwood and the Time War. Maybe more hints towards the Big Finish license getting more flexible when it comes to the New Series?
It'd be nice if Gold went back to the RTD era and turned out some more complete soundtracks for that era. There are some really nice tracks, particularly in series 1 and 2, that I'd love to have on disc that the first releases totally skipped over.
Interestingly, unlike the original book, explicit mention is made of Torchwood and the Time War. Maybe more hints towards the Big Finish license getting more flexible when it comes to the New Series?
It'd be nice if Gold went back to the RTD era and turned out some more complete soundtracks for that era. There are some really nice tracks, particularly in series 1 and 2, that I'd love to have on disc that the first releases totally skipped over.
Quick Mustard
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This is the news I've been waiting for.
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