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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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The_Technomancer said:
Eh, chalk it up to personal taste then. I thought that 10 did the "lighthearted mask" in a way that didn't annoy me quite as much, but everyone's got opinions...
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I never really felt like there *was* a mask with 10. He wore his emotions directly on his sleeve. If he was happy, there it was. If he was angry, there it was. Always full of the allons-y and the brilliant and the oh now you've done it, now you've made me mad.

With 11, I feel like there's something boiling underneath, even when he appears happy. Just ready to pop. And then sometimes he does and that rage didn't just happen, he just finally let it out.
 
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gabbo said:
I find Smith to be somewhat more believable than Tennant when he's suppose to be boiling over with anger. Tennant seemed to be parodying himself when he got angry in my opinion.
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I think the exact opposite - I've never found Matt Smith to be convincingly angry in any of his episodes.
 
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Sir_Crocodile said:
Although it was an altogether terrible episode (criminal underuse of the demon headmaster as well!), I thought his anger pretty convincing at the end of the beast below.
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I'm starting to like Smith's season 5 than season 6 in general. I think they definitely ratcheted up the 'quirky' dial after season 5 when they knew that he was popular.
 
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Dr Zhivago said:
I think the exact opposite - I've never found Matt Smith to be convincingly angry in any of his episodes.
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I agree, smith falls down when it comes to acting for me.

His epic moments like the stonehedge speech come off more cringe worthy than epic, i almost felt embarrassed for him.

His anger is just flat out unbelievable iv seen better anger in secondary school drama classes, its like how you would show anger to someone if you couldnt speak lashing out like a child with just a dash of kevin and perry thrown in.
 
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maharg

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StalkerUKCG said:
His epic moments like the stonehedge speech come off more cringe worthy than epic, i almost felt embarrassed for him.
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As far as I can tell, it was *supposed* to. The Doctor was pulling out one of his "I'm the saviour of the universe" speeches (which to me are more a trait of Ten than Eleven, but have obviously carried over more than once), but he was completely wrong about everything.
 
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maharg said:
As far as I can tell, it was *supposed* to. The Doctor was pulling out one of his "I'm the saviour of the universe" speeches (which to me are more a trait of Ten than Eleven, but have obviously carried over more than once), but he was completely wrong about everything.
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That WAS epic though, a great epic moment.

His anger comes across as real to me too.

Actually, probably my favorite doctor.
 
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acheron_xl said:
I'm starting to like Smith's season 5 than season 6 in general. I think they definitely ratcheted up the 'quirky' dial after season 5 when they knew that he was popular.
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Yeah, this was one of my big disappointments with Series 6. They really dialed up all of the quirky elements, and felt the need to constantly reference all of the gags the Doctor had made in the previous season. I feel like Smith would be a much better Doctor if they toned that stuff down and went back to how he was in his earlier stuff.
 
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gabbo said:
Eccleston was a lot more like more like the early Doctor's. He could be a fun loving but off kilter type, but he also had a deep disdain for aspects of our culture/personality at the same time. That's been downplayed a lot since. I also think he did 'angry' the best of the NewWho Doctors as well.
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Eccelston was incredible in that scene in "Dalek". None of his successors have matched that level of complete rage.
 
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The Technomancer

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Mama Robotnik said:
Eccelston was incredible in that scene in "Dalek". None of his successors have matched that level of complete rage.
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I absolutely love Tennant in Midnight as well. It wasn't even that he was mad, it was that there were some cracks in the character's self control and self assurance, and it was fantastic.
 
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Mama Robotnik said:
Eccelston was incredible in that scene in "Dalek". None of his successors have matched that level of complete rage.
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Yeah, and you won't see it again. The 9th Doctor's rage always came from the fact he regenerated in the middle of war. He was a fighter. So much brilliant anger, but it could never last.

11 does a decent angry Doctor still. Better than 10.
 
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Just re-watched Amy's Choice. I wasn't too hot on it the first time I saw it, but after re-watching I think its definitely one of my favorite episodes from Smith's run. Some pretty scathing commentary by The Dream Lord that's all the more delicious knowing that he's a manifestation of the Doctor.
 
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The_Technomancer said:
Just re-watched Amy's Choice. I wasn't too hot on it the first time I saw it, but after re-watching I think its definitely one of my favorite episodes from Smith's run. Some pretty scathing commentary by The Dream Lord that's all the more delicious knowing that he's a manifestation of the Doctor.
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Andrex said:
maharg said:
The wackiness is a mask, and as such a rather important element of his character. With 11 they managed to do what they were trying to do with 6 but failed miserably.
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And this is why Amy's Choice is in my top three s5 episodes. That ending pings my heart with emotion to this day, and I can't really suss out what it actually is. Excitement? Sadness? Suspicion?

In any case, I loved it.
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Just got into watching this :eek: (the new series, want to watch the old series later.) I'm in the middle of the second season. I loved the last episode of the first season :O
 
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Lissar said:
Just got into watching this :eek: (the new series, want to watch the old series later.) I'm in the middle of the second season. I loved the last episode of the first season :O
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Er, when you say new series do you mean new or new-new?

Um, better question: who is the current companion? Amy Pond or Rose Tyler?
 
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Amy's Choice is one of my favourite episodes. So underrated.

Shanks said:
So it's actually not even possible? That is depressing.
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Season 1 and 2 would look like shit in HD. They'd need to really clean it up, since it looks like it has some sort of bloom effect for the first couple of seasons, which looks terrible.

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You could upscale each episode to 1080i, which is what they did for The Next Doctor, but it didn't look so good.
 
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Eccleston still looks and acts like the missing Chuckle Brother. Would have ruined his whole run for me if RTD's writing hadn't done that first.
 
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My wife has been rewatching all of new Who (I have been cherry picking when I watch), and damn does it hurt to just be in the room when Daleks in Manhattan is playing.

That two parter has to be the worst of the first six seasons. What is worse than that?
 
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PhoncipleBone said:
My wife has been rewatching all of new Who (I have been cherry picking when I watch), and damn does it hurt to just be in the room when Daleks in Manhattan is playing.

That two parter has to be the worst of the first six seasons. What is worse than that?
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It is unbearably bad. "I..am..a...Human Dalek!!"
 
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MDavis360 said:
It is unbearably bad. "I..am..a...Human Dalek!!"
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I just cant bring myself to sit and watch it. It is playing in the background right now while my wife watches. In fact, most of season 3 hurts for me to watch. So many episodes I love, and I especially love the set up through the whole season for The Master, but the end just still hurts nearly 5 years later.

But Blink overrules any reservations I have. That I can watch on repeat.
 
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PhoncipleBone said:
I just cant bring myself to sit and watch it. It is playing in the background right now while my wife watches. In fact, most of season 3 hurts for me to watch. So many episodes I love, and I especially love the set up through the whole season for The Master, but the end just still hurts nearly 5 years later.

But Blink overrules any reservations I have. That I can watch on repeat.
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They bungled The Master so badly. I actually really like Utopia. It's a great setup, with maybe the coolest Doctor Eho cliffhanger ever.

But then we got Gollum Doctor. :/
 
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MDavis360 said:
They bungled The Master so badly. I actually really like Utopia. It's a great setup, with maybe the coolest Doctor Eho cliffhanger ever.

But then we got Gollum Doctor. :/
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Uptopia is so awesome. I even love The Sound of Drums. But the end of Last of the Time Lords is so horrible (I have been VERY vocal about this on here. Almost incessantly) that it has scarred almost the entire third and fourth season. It has ruined RTD for me. I dont care how many great things he was involved in or produced, he will always be on my shit list for Last of the Time Lords.
 
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PhoncipleBone said:
Uptopia is so awesome. I even love The Sound of Drums. But the end of Last of the Time Lords is so horrible (I have been VERY vocal about this on here. Almost incessantly) that it has scarred almost the entire third and fourth season. It has ruined RTD for me. I dont care how many great things he was involved in or produced, he will always be on my shit list for Last of the Time Lords.
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I really liked Sound of Drums and yeah, Last of the Time Lords was downright terrible. Worst Deus Ex Machina I've ever seen in the series (or just about any story)
 
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The_Technomancer said:
I really liked Sound of Drums and yeah, Last of the Time Lords was downright terrible. Worst Deus Ex Machina I've ever seen in the series (or just about any story)
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Last of the Time Lords is actually not that bad for most of it. I love the twist of the Toclafane and the idea of a paradox machine. The whole build up of "How is The Doctor going to stop this? This is fucking insane!" to ultimately be "I forgive you." Hugs all around. I puke in my drink next to me.

Why do I talk about it? It only makes me mad to think about it. I will watch the few episodes in 3 that I love, but I will have to leave the room for Last of the Time Lords. I dont want to smash the television.
 
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The Technomancer

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PhoncipleBone said:
Last of the Time Lords is actually not that bad for most of it. I love the twist of the Toclafane and the idea of a paradox machine. The whole build up of "How is The Doctor going to stop this? This is fucking insane!" to ultimately be "I forgive you." Hugs all around. I puke in my drink next to me.

Why do I talk about it? It only makes me mad to think about it. I will watch the few episodes in 3 that I love, but I will have to leave the room for Last of the Time Lords. I dont want to smash the television.
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Yeah, the parts you mention were pretty good. But that comeback was just utterly utterly horrible. Its the most explicitly the writers have ever shown their fanboy nature.
 
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The_Technomancer said:
Yeah, the parts you mention were pretty good. But that comeback was just utterly utterly horrible. Its the most explicitly the writers have ever shown their fanboy nature.
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Seriously. I swear that RTD had to use a rib spreader to open his ass wide enough to pull something that horrible out of it.

Is it sad that I want to read every post I made in this thread just to see how many of them are complaining about the series 3 finale? I am sorry to everyone if I sound like a broken record.

Maybe I need to watch Blink out of sequence and some fifth season goodness to get my hate levels down.
 
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