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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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Dr Zhivago

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I'd agree than Moffat hasn't written a really great episode since 'The Eleventh Hour', but I guess that's just a consequence of him writing more episodes per year now. He should get Paul Cornell back and whoever wrote The Fades.
Gatiss has written some really creepy stuff, but I feel he seems to be holding back for his Who episodes. He should do a full-on horror episode and traumatise a generation :)
 
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Hot Coldman

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Eleventh Hour is possibly the greatest "Doctor's First Episode" ever, but the Angels 2-parter, the S1 finale (both parts), the America two-parter... oh and the Wedding of River Song, they all are superior.

IMO.
 
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I thought the series five finale was pretty damn good. Both parts. I think Moffat has had some great content. A Good Man Goes to War was really good as well.

I think as good as his stuff has been it hasn't been on the same level as most of his content during the RTD error. Still, he's been putting out good content.
 
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Hmmm...

S5 premiere was great until the final speech, S5 finale was absolutely fantastic until, again, the last five minutes where they felt the need to have Amy spend five minutes going "man, the Doctor is so fucking brilliant and godlike", S6 premier was simply incredible and possibly my favorite episode from Smith's run, S6 finale was an incoherent mess of random "cool" moments and trying desperately to figure out how to write themselves out of the corner they put themselves in.

I really cannot overstate how much I loved the S6 premier. It was everything good about Moffat's writing.

Oh, and Time of Angels was a complete disappointment and felt a misunderstanding of why people liked the Angels
 
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bearythebear

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Spoilers I guess.

I feel like in general Season 5 is much stronger than 6. Seems like the characters have taken a back seat for some weird convoluted plot. I mean, I see no changes to Amy or Rory in anyway. They just lost their child, and will never be able to raise her. That in itself should be devastating to them. But then they just go do another random adventure, without addressing the issue. Rory is fucking 2000 years old and is basicly "flesh" but that sorta only came up once and they don't do anything with it.

To be honest, I'm waiting for a new set of companions. Kinda done with those guys.
 
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bearythebear said:
Spoilers I guess.

I feel like in general Season 5 is much stronger than 6. Seems like the characters have taken a back seat for some weird convoluted plot. I mean, I see no changes to Amy or Rory in anyway. They just lost their child, and will never be able to raise her. That in itself should be devastating to them. But then they just go do another random adventure, without addressing the issue. Rory is fucking 2000 years old and is basicly "flesh" but that sorta only came up once and they don't do anything with it.

To be honest, I'm waiting for a new set of companions. Kinda done with those guys.
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Oh yeah, the entire River Song arc was completely mismanaged. But I don't think the idea was inherently flawed, in fact I think the idea was actually really interesting and compelling, but the execution just wasn't there.
 
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Htown

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I thought it was fine up until the last two or three episodes, then it all went way off the rails real quick.
 
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Hot Coldman

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bearythebear said:
To be honest, I'm waiting for a new set of companions. Kinda done with those guys.
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She says hi.
 
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Exterminieren

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Jenna started filming last week. Not the Christmas special, but a later episode.

I still hold The Eleventh Hour to be the best thing that I've seen of Moffat's work, and it's up there battling with Gridlock, The Waters of Mars, The Girl Who Waited and The Doctor's Wife for the best of New Who.

And really, while I recognise that the wheels came off the series 6 arc about halfway through Let's Kill Hitler, I'll be damned if series 6 isn't the best of the lot in terms of individual episodes. A series with the America two-parter, The Doctor's Wife, A Good Man Goes to War, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex in it can simply not be fucked with.

It's one parters the Moffat era does well, not two-parters, so I'm very pleased with next series' episodes all being one-parters.

Oh, and the one being lined up to take over for Moffat is plainly Toby Whithouse. He'll wrap Being Human up next year and take over after the 50th Anniversary, while Gatiss runs Sherlock forever and Moffat goes off to create some dementedly hilarious sitcoms.
 
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infiniteloop

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Exterminieren said:
Oh, and the one being lined up to take over for Moffat is plainly Toby Whithouse. He'll wrap Being Human up next year and take over after the 50th Anniversary, while Gatiss runs Sherlock forever and Moffat goes off to create some dementedly hilarious sitcoms.
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I think it's between him, Gatiss and Chibnall, none of whom make me feel too good about the future.
 
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Rory is fucking 2000 years old and is basicly "flesh" but that sorta only came up once and they don't do anything with it.
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Didn't the exploding TARDIS/redux of time from the end of Season 5 reset the 'Rory is a plastic centurian', Amy and the Doctor remember, but Rory doesn't?

I thought the River storyline could have been excellent, but everything from "Hitler" on felt like the writers didn't want to deal with River's arc at all and just kind of shoved it in the other episodes randomly until they had to deal with her, and then it was insultingly handled as far as I'm concerned.

After that though, I went back and started watching OldWho; 2, 4-6 Doctors respectively, and I wish the current show was still a 5-8 episode serial. Would have forced the writers to actually deal with River as Amy's daughter, as well as the Doctor's death in a much more coherent and thought-out manner.

Do you think the new companion will have her own monologue opening intro like Amy?
 
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gabbo said:
Do you think the new companion will have her own monologue opening intro like Amy?
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I hope they ditch that entirely. It comes across as forced and unnecessary, at least to me. It doesn't really tell you anything important that they don't say every single time a companion reset happens.

I liked the old standard of "here's three frames of the monster and a person screaming" straight into the synth beat.
 
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EleventhDoctor

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The "explanation" for Rory after "Big Bang II" (which i loved as an episode, but is the epitome of "wibbly wobbly
Timey wimey non-sensical deus ex machina plot resolution) is that the big bang restored
Everything to normal sans cracks-so Rory was never an Auton, but does have a completely seperate set of memories from his 2,000 years.

Again i love seasons 5 and 6, but their biggest crime is wasted potential. Theres so much more that could have been made from that...
 
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teiresias

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Personally, I think I may pretend season 6 never existed. Horribly lame ending (and people complain about Battlestar!!) that made little sense, wasn't satisfying in the least, and relegated the new (and hyped) "scary" antagonists to secondary status pretty quickly after a cool reveal, I can't even remember what their function was anymore a few months out from watching the season. It's a pity answering pretty much everything about River happened in the weak S6 rather than in S5, imo.

Season 5 just had a far superior narrative that seemed better structured and plotted to me.
 
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teiresias said:
Personally, I think I may pretend season 6 never existed. Horribly lame ending (and people complain about Battlestar!!) that made little sense, wasn't satisfying in the least, and relegated the new (and hyped) "scary" antagonists to secondary status pretty quickly after a cool reveal, I can't even remember what their function was anymore a few months out from watching the season. It's a pity answering pretty much everything about River happened in the weak S6 rather than in S5, imo.

Season 5 just had a far superior narrative that seemed better structured and plotted to me.
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Not even the worst stories of the entire run of Doctor Who has offended as much as BSG. Don't even go there.
 
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gabbo said:
It's the sweater, It has to be. I got the same vibe when I saw that picture for the first time.
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Yeah, that's all though. I doubt she's going to have any other qualities Susan had. Susan was one of a kind. This girl already has my annoying alarm going off.
 
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gabbo

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KibblesBits said:
Yeah, that's all though. I doubt she's going to have any other qualities Susan had. Susan was one of a kind. This girl already has my annoying alarm going off.
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Is this somehow related to other work she's done? If that's the case, I'm happy to be going in completely naive of anything she's done before.
 
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mclem said:
You do NOT say that about Melia.
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Why are you calling her Melia?

gabbo said:
Is this somehow related to other work she's done? If that's the case, I'm happy to be going in completely naive of anything she's done before.
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She's mainly known for her appearances in terrible UK soap operas. Her character in Emmerdale was lame as all hell. However, she was decent enough in the ITV adaptation of Titanic, and I trust the Who casting guys immensely, so I have high hopes.

If she keeps her hair like that, that'd really help. :lol
 
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Green Scar said:
Why are you calling her Melia?



She's mainly known for her appearances in terrible UK soap operas. Her character in Emmerdale was lame as all hell. However, she was decent enough in the ITV adaptation of Titanic, and I trust the Who casting guys immensely, so I have high hopes.

If she keeps her hair like that, that'd really help. :lol
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Ah, so TV I will never come across without going out of my way. Works for me.
 
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Exterminieren

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Neil Cross, the creator of Luther and head writer of Spooks (MI-5 in the States) has written the episode currently being filmed for the next series.

FUCK YES.
 
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The Technomancer

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mclem said:
I've been trying to figure out a Melia-related tagline for the OT.
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Doctor Who Series 2012 |OT| So this is what teamwork feels like

Doctor Who Series 2012 |OT| I see your strength is the genuine article

or maybe just

Doctor Who Series 2012 |OT| SUMMON FLARE!
 
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Exterminieren said:
Neil Cross, the creator of Luther and head writer of Spooks (MI-5 in the States) has written the episode currently being filmed for the next series.

FUCK YES.
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Awesome hes done two brilliant shows - Luther was just amazing last year. Hes very visual in his story telling too - something important with New Who (just look at Moff eps).
 
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MDavis360 said:
Awesome news...I wonder if Toby Whithouse will be doing another one too.
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Yes, Ep 3.

So far:

Ep 1 - Moffat
Ep 2 - Chibnall
Ep 3 - Whithouse
Ep 4 - Chibnall
Ep 5 - Moffat

Christmas - Moffat

Writers for episodes 6 to 13 -

Moffat (likely 2 episodes? Definitely episode 13)
Gatiss (1 episode)
Cross (1 episode)
Fay (1 episode)
Thompson (1 episode)

At least 2 writers left
 
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Petrichor

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infiniteloop said:
Yes, Ep 3.

So far:

Ep 1 - Moffat
Ep 2 - Chibnall
Ep 3 - Whithouse
Ep 4 - Chibnall
Ep 5 - Moffat

Christmas - Moffat

Writers for episodes 6 to 13 -

Moffat (likely 2 episodes? Definitely episode 13)
Gatiss (1 episode)
Cross (1 episode)
Fay (1 episode)
Thompson (1 episode)

At least 2 writers left
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Tom Macrae is almost certainly doing a 2013 episode. He tweeted something like "thank god that's finally out of the bag, was worried I would spill the beans" when JLC was announced as the new companion, so it seems likely he was already working on the script at that point.

So that leaves us with one potential unannounced writer left (assuming steven moffat only writes 4 episodes this year excluding the christmas special, which would be a pretty low number imo)

Dr Zhivago said:
I'd agree than Moffat hasn't written a really great episode since 'The Eleventh Hour', but I guess that's just a consequence of him writing more episodes per year now. He should get Paul Cornell back and whoever wrote The Fades.
Gatiss has written some really creepy stuff, but I feel he seems to be holding back for his Who episodes. He should do a full-on horror episode and traumatise a generation :)
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I can't believe there are people that actually think this.

Time of Angels / Flesh and Stone, The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang, and The Impossible Astronaut / Day of the Moon are all easily better than all of the other episodes that Moffat has written save perhaps Blink, imo.

The Wedding of River Song has been his only real blip in 6 years of writing, and even that was competent and enjoyable, despite its shortcomings.
 
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Dr Zhivago

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Petrichor said:
I can't believe there are people that actually think this.

Time of Angels / Flesh and Stone, The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang, and The Impossible Astronaut / Day of the Moon are all easily better than all of the other episodes that Moffat has written save perhaps Blink, imo.

The Wedding of River Song has been his only real blip in 6 years of writing, and even that was competent and enjoyable, despite its shortcomings.
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I can't believe you think that. :)
 
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They're not better than Moffat's RTD-era work, necessarily, but those are all awesome episodes. The last season fell apart at the very end, but only on the Internet does that make all his other work retroactively suck.
 
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EleventhDoctor

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Petrichor said:
I can't believe there are people that actually think this.

Time of Angels / Flesh and Stone, The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang, and The Impossible Astronaut / Day of the Moon are all easily better than all of the other episodes that Moffat has written save perhaps Blink, imo.

The Wedding of River Song has been his only real blip in 6 years of writing, and even that was competent and enjoyable, despite its shortcomings.
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I agree with you-we are birds of a feather.
 
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