Bobby Roberts
Banned
Sorta, which is kind of an ourobouros since Bill & Ted is more or less "What if Doctor Who was super-dumb and American?"
I enjoyed the hell out of it as it was happening though. Just the sheer ludicrousness of it. Too fun.
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Doctor Who Series 9 |OT| Let Zygons Be Zygons
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Sorta, which is kind of an ourobouros since Bill & Ted is more or less "What if Doctor Who was super-dumb and American?"
I enjoyed the hell out of it as it was happening though. Just the sheer ludicrousness of it. Too fun.
Discotheque
Banned
definitely. would like more stuff like that though. such as that one moment in season 5 where he brought van gogh to his own art gallery.
i've looked back at moments like this way more fondly than any of large end-game plots moffat's been bringing us.
i've looked back at moments like this way more fondly than any of large end-game plots moffat's been bringing us.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Actually makes me wonder: who do people think of as The Doctor's arch enemy, Davros or The Master?
I kind of feel like The Master should take the crown just because The Master always seems to know just how to twist the knife. The Doctor and Davros match wits a lot, but it doesn't feel personal in the way it is with The Master.
Oh, and The Master successfully murdered one of the Doctor's incarnations (something Davros has never successfully done) and it was everyone's favorite Number Four to boot.
I kind of feel like The Master should take the crown just because The Master always seems to know just how to twist the knife. The Doctor and Davros match wits a lot, but it doesn't feel personal in the way it is with The Master.
Oh, and The Master successfully murdered one of the Doctor's incarnations (something Davros has never successfully done) and it was everyone's favorite Number Four to boot.
Well, if nothing else, Missy is certainly more arch.
Still lives with his parents on Gallifrey, doesn't he?
Rewatched it yesterday.
Only nitpick is the Doctor repeating the hug thing. I mean, Clara could have made the comment, and the Doctor could have just gave her a "this is one of those times" look. That coupled with the Missy song is like "REMEMBER THE SEASON 8 FINALE ?" . I imagine it won't go over too well when peope binge watch it and have references to the episode they just finished.
But still, great episode, can't wait until the conclusion!
Only nitpick is the Doctor repeating the hug thing. I mean, Clara could have made the comment, and the Doctor could have just gave her a "this is one of those times" look. That coupled with the Missy song is like "REMEMBER THE SEASON 8 FINALE ?" . I imagine it won't go over too well when peope binge watch it and have references to the episode they just finished.
But still, great episode, can't wait until the conclusion!
Davros is the arch enemy. Master is the rival. Like Shadow being Sonic's rival and Eggman being the arch enemy.
I mean, Missy dying in 2 consecutive episodes only to come back in the next (presumably) would seem to me like the most glaring detail.
Yeah you're right!
In terms of continuity, end 8/start 9 will be remembered as the Moffat stutter.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Yeah, honestly, I just wish they brought back Gallifrey and the Time Lords so the doctor isn't so sanctimonious and goes back to how he was in the earlier iterations.
The "last of my own kind" doesn't cut it anymore when Gallifey is out there and the Master is around making Chaos.
NICE!
America loves Peter Capaldi, here I was worried that the "older doctor" thing would scare away people. Glad to know my worries was for nothing.
In classic who, the Master was definitely more of the rival. He is basically the Anti-doctor. In new-Who, the master is more of the psychopath, though the new master does feel closer to the older ones. Bravo Michele Gomez
I would love to see the Gomez's master as the doctors companion, even for half a season. I really hope it happens when Clara leaves.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Davros.
The Master is more like a thorn in the Doctor's side than an arch enemy. He shows up, annoys the Doctor for a bit, twirls his mustache, and then realizes his plan was moronic and assists the Doctor in thwarting it.
Davros is far more the Doctor's true arch-nemesis. When I think of moments like that famous conversation in Genesis, the showdown between the Doctor and Davros in Revelation, or the scenes between them in Journey's End, nothing the Master has even comes close to that. Anytime the Doctor and Davros are in a scene together, you pay attention.
CloudyTuba
Member
Though I liked the episode, I do think it's a poor choice to kill her twice in a row like that. It's just ridiculous and super cheap. I've loved Moffat's time on the show but I think he needs someone to more sternly tell him 'No' sometimes.
Mmh. His plans were pretty shit more often than not, weren't they? Alright, I rescind my vote for The Master. Sorry Missy. I still like you better than Davros if that's any consolation.
I sometimes wonder if this is exactly the difference between the quality levels on Sherlock Vs Doctor Who. His wife is on him about stuff when it comes to Sherlock. Not so much Doctor Who. Some people just need a keeper...I mean, granted, he is putting out many times the quantity of Doctor Who, but still I feel like Sherlock has fared better quality wise.
paradox121
Member
The one thing that makes me think he may avoid it this time is the fact that the Doctor meeting baby Davros seems to only now be affecting old Davros. He talks about 'remembering' the Doctor and pulls out the sonic screwdriver as if his past is just now changing. Which in turn would imply that whatever the Doctor does/did/will do won't necessarily make Davros Davros. I think/hope at least.
And I could see the Moffat-esque loop being baby Davros meeting old, withered Davros like with Kazran, only this time it just makes him more insane.
jack_package_200
Banned
Is there a legal streaming site I can watch this?
Hey, don't forget there's that Christmas special in between them.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Nice. Glad to have helped.
Though.. since i am caught up ive lost the perks of binge watching. Waiting and bad episodes will be a horrible experience.
jack_package_200
Banned
O wow they are uploading all the episodes to youtube?
ClivePwned
Member
now you can whinge watch instead like the rest of us. gratz.
great episode. i hate it.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Yea
When the episode with Gollum Doctor finished i just fired up the next episode instead of waiting a year.BrokenFiction
Member
Way to go, USA! Too bad it happened to air at the same time as the very last episode of Sabado Gigante, but thems the breaks.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Finally caught the episode. I've been tired of the Doctor being a prop inside a fairy tale about himself since the end of the 1st year of Moffat's tenure, and let's be honest, the writing has varied between campy sci fi goodness to a British version of Passions under RTD and Fractured Fairy Tales to bad 1992 Usenet fanfiction under Moffat, but my biggest problem as usual is that Capaldi feels like someone who really needs good dialogue to keep things moving and if there's one thing this series hasn't had since RTD left, it's good dialogue.
As usual, I'm left completely confused with Moffat's insistence on having Doctor Who be structured roughly like an episode of Aqua Teens, where everyone dies a horrible death but is back in the next episode, and everyone in a position that would imply they know what they are doing acts like a first day Temp (sometimes including the Doctor, but excluding his genius companion), yet against better judgement (or because I remained a fan of this series through The Two Doctors and Time and the Rani), I'm still intrigued with the concept and eager to see what happens next. Since this is a Moffat two parter, I expect it to finally get interesting in the first 10 minutes and then completely fall apart in the last 3.
I will say that somehow Capaldi feels more comfortable in the role already, and I'm not even sure why. No, it's not just the hair
As usual, I'm left completely confused with Moffat's insistence on having Doctor Who be structured roughly like an episode of Aqua Teens, where everyone dies a horrible death but is back in the next episode, and everyone in a position that would imply they know what they are doing acts like a first day Temp (sometimes including the Doctor, but excluding his genius companion), yet against better judgement (or because I remained a fan of this series through The Two Doctors and Time and the Rani), I'm still intrigued with the concept and eager to see what happens next. Since this is a Moffat two parter, I expect it to finally get interesting in the first 10 minutes and then completely fall apart in the last 3.
I will say that somehow Capaldi feels more comfortable in the role already, and I'm not even sure why. No, it's not just the hair
Rimon-hanit
Member
Nice episode,
So Davros is going to be the Doctor companion now?
Or is the Doctor going to shoot himself to prevent himself from saving Davros?
pretty sure the Doctor didn't originally left Davros for death.
good cliffhanger.
So Davros is going to be the Doctor companion now?
Or is the Doctor going to shoot himself to prevent himself from saving Davros?
pretty sure the Doctor didn't originally left Davros for death.
good cliffhanger.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
I am loving that BBC America is starting to show 4th doctor episodes in the morning.
4th Doctor, Sarah Jane Smith, Harry!!! <3 <3
I hope they keep doing this, this is too awesome, I want more of my American friends to experience the greatness of Tom Baker.
Yes, Capaldi is definitely hitting his stride.
He feels very doctor-ish, he feels like a classic who doctor, I LOVE IT.
4th Doctor, Sarah Jane Smith, Harry!!! <3 <3
I hope they keep doing this, this is too awesome, I want more of my American friends to experience the greatness of Tom Baker.
Yes, Capaldi is definitely hitting his stride.
He feels very doctor-ish, he feels like a classic who doctor, I LOVE IT.
GodParticle
Member
Really surprised how the US ratings keep going up. A lot of people I know don't even like the new doc haha
Would be cool if they would do a double-header of classic and new on saturdays
Would be cool if they would do a double-header of classic and new on saturdays
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
That's what's frustrating, I can see it in him, but the material I feel keeps failing him.
R_thanatos
Member
Dude !!!!
That was a nice episode
missy totally stole the spotlight and i really like it.
That was a nice episode
missy totally stole the spotlight and i really like it.
I'm not saying I disagree but is it weird I can apply this statement to five doctors?
Discotheque
Banned
exactly that was the biggest gut punch this show has given me. so good.
Yeah. That's tough to get past. Even the Doctor is all "what's up, Missy!"
She literally killed 2 people in front of her. And then she seems kinda buddy buddy with her when they are on the "space ship"/planet with the somewhat jokes. Only part of episode I found odd.
ClivePwned
Member
Moffat writes himself into a corner and hopes everyone will ignore it. Film at 11.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Indeed. Rewatching the Series 8 finale and this back to back is bad for this, even for Moffat though
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Yeah, that felt weird.
Michelle Gomez was a hoot, but Clara became BFF's with the Master way too quickly.
And there you go. Told you all you were panicking for nothing about those viewing numbers
.Watched The Invisible Enemy yesterday: famous for introducing K9, and for being shit. Curiously I rather enjoyed it. I mean, I know it's shit and I would never claim otherwise (the bad guy is a giant shrimp who can't even walk around by himself who takes over people by giving them giant eyebrows), but there's at least some nice model work and Tom Baker is still enjoying himself at this point. Sadly I've now reached to point in the series after the golden years are over. There are still some gems here and there - City of Death - but from this point onwards the quality overall will just keep sliding. I think I'll just slow my pace and take it for what it is. Hell, I was amused by Invisible Enemy. I should be able to make some of these other stories work.
Angelus Errare
Banned
So I'm now on series 2 of the current series. Am I reading too much or
Did they change to David Tenant so the Doctor/Rose romance was more believable? Honestly I'm not even sure I like the whole Doctor/Rose angle. I liked it when it was more of a mentor/mentoree, father/daughter relationship
Yeah that was weird. Clara has to put up with Missy because she's too important but they don't have to be friends.
Well, Eccleston (the previous Doctor) left because he wanted to leave, not because the BBC wanted someone younger/more attractive. Eccleston didn't get on with some people in production. The fact that they got Tennant might have helped them decide to go more fully for that romance storyline though.
And I agree, the idea of the Doctor getting it on with one of his companions (especially one so young) is super creepy to me. Glad they're not doing that anymore. I really dislike the idea of the Doctor travelling with pretty girls in his magic box because he wants to bang them. Not exactly what they were trying to say there, but it did give the series an uncomfortable vibe for a while, especially if you're familiar with the older Doctors. That kind of thing goes away eventually though.
Oh, and if you're unsure why there's someone else playing the Doctor: there's an introduction episode they broadcast during christmas. Some online/retail releases don't include that with the full season for some reason. Something to keep in mind: there's an extra episode between each season. There are also some mini-episodes they make for yearly charity events and youtube and stuff like that, released at random points throughout the series. Nothing super important (except one released before the 50th anniversary special, but that's still a bit ahead of you), but some of them are pretty fun.
If you ever get confused, here's a list of all the regular episodes of each Doctor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials
And here's a list of all the little special mini-episodes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_special_Doctor_Who_episodes