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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Maybe it was the snow. She was replicated by the doctor's thoughts.
She looks so matronly. I guess if that's your thing . . .
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
...yes, I want to see this happen.
Hmm, this one felt a bit messy for me to rate it that highly. It had some fantastic moments and some great sequences but they felt stitched together.
Oh, also, the new title sequence is fantastic
twilitesparklemotion
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I know why this episode spoke to me so much. Can't think of where else this goes so I'm going to LiveJournal for a minute.
Those scenes where the Doctor concludes the universe "doesn't care" were a more-intense mirror of the last half of my year, where I thought I was having "bad luck" (really, just me caring too much about external circumstances) and that, regardless of all the good I did, the universe was just shitting in my mouth (in a first-world way, mind you; I still had food and a house and stuff.) At the end of it, the Doctor realizes that the universe is going to do its thing and you just keep going on as you were.
Of course, losing your best friends in time to an army of malevolent metaphysical statue-monsters is worse than just having a whole bunch of small personal stuff go wrong in succession over a six-month period, but the comparison is there and I loved it.
Those scenes where the Doctor concludes the universe "doesn't care" were a more-intense mirror of the last half of my year, where I thought I was having "bad luck" (really, just me caring too much about external circumstances) and that, regardless of all the good I did, the universe was just shitting in my mouth (in a first-world way, mind you; I still had food and a house and stuff.) At the end of it, the Doctor realizes that the universe is going to do its thing and you just keep going on as you were.
Of course, losing your best friends in time to an army of malevolent metaphysical statue-monsters is worse than just having a whole bunch of small personal stuff go wrong in succession over a six-month period, but the comparison is there and I loved it.
Candeldandel
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How many British Protagonists can one man squeeze into his career? Not that I have any objections
April.
april i believe
has anyone uploaded the new trailer that was at the end of the episode to youtube yet?
april i believe
has anyone uploaded the new trailer that was at the end of the episode to youtube yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXqXZepqgMQ
:25 looks like Harriet Jones, Prime Minister
User 100115
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Haven't read what everyone is saying...
But Moffat is straight up trolling us now isn't he?
Fantastic episode, I actually threw something at the TV.
But Moffat is straight up trolling us now isn't he?
Fantastic episode, I actually threw something at the TV.
Backwards Marathon
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Christmas special was really interesting, can't wait to see me some more Clara!
I still miss Amy and Rory
Christmas special was really interesting, can't wait to see me some more Clara!
I still miss Amy and Rory
Had a Feel moment when Vastra told the Doctor her passing answer through the phone, and you see him take his/Amy's glasses off.
Pond.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
That kind of pissed me off actually, because it was a stupid one-word answer to convey everything that Clara needed and only worked because of some connection she would have no knowledge of. I was fully expecting the one word pitch to convince him to help to just be "children", which would make sense and be in character for him.
Yes I nitpick.
The chin makes the ladies swoon.
I have a
I thought it was an odd way to "initiate" her. One-word answers, where she clearly broke the rule. Haha.
Children would've been perfect, actually, but they were more of a background element than anything. Not really fleshed out enough for the audience to care about.
(Sorry for the double post)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, I guess I just can't see how Clara, hearing what they wanted from a one word answer to convince the Doctor to interfere, would go with "pond". That's a piece of information, not a reason
I think it's supposed to be part of the mystery of her character that she knew that answer would get his attention.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Right, after posting that I thought of that and....its possible. I guess it depends on how they play out the Clara storyline
Agreed, guy's amazing.
I'm still itching for a payoff similar to Series 5 with the Doctor going back to Amy without his coat, turning out to be a future version of himself.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Disappointing.
I was expecting a troll with the Snowmen title, but instead Moffat decided to give us a shitty origin story for the Great Intelligence which makes them seem far less cool. It's a hard job to take an iconic Doctor Who villain and turn them into something created from the imagination of a child and fill in a boring episode around them.
I'm not sure why those lame characters from A Good Man Goes to War have come back. Did anyone even like them the first time? I was also rather disappointed that we barely got any real knowledge of who Clara is. We got some biographical information, but her character remains pretty loosely formed at best. All we got were a bunch of quips (because we haven't seen those before). Rather than having some scenes of Clara and the Doctor going on about how clever they are and bantering, couldn't we have gotten some actual drama and development? We also could have gotten some of that by avoiding multiple scenes of Strax being an idiot and talking about grenades and that whole embarrassing bit where the Doctor pretends to be Sherlock Holmes for no discernible reason. And that whole bit where the Doctor grabs a ladder out of nowhere like he's Mary Poppins, and we then have a long bit of Clara climbing an invisible staircase which doesn't really advance anything and seems to have just been put in because Moffat thought it was cool.
The setup of the Doctor dealing with the loss of his longtime companion(s) to some sort of technobabble bit that effectively makes it impossible for him to ever see again, and then meeting up with a new female character who is interested in him and tries to draw him back in again was a good setup...in The Runaway Bride. I also want to applaud Moffat for telling us a Christmas story set in Victorian times. And it was great of him to step outside of his comfort zone and give us some precocious kids, a companion who dies but will live again in some form, and monsters who are tied in some way to your memory and perception of them. Plus the Sonic Screwdriver being used as a magic wand. Not since Planet of the Daleks has Doctor Who been treated to such an original story.
Also, the 'smaller on the outside' bit was already done in The Waters of Mars, and the food preparation abilities of the TARDIS were brought up all the way back in the very first season. Then again, the Doctor can barely seem to remember one of his great foes in this story, so I guess it all fits together.
On the plus side, I loved the TARDIS console room. The episode definitely looked pretty, and the music was generally good. I did really like the scene where the snowmen ate the workers, and a handful of other moments, and the memory erasing worm being in the box was a good moment. But they were few and far between, sadly.
I was expecting a troll with the Snowmen title, but instead Moffat decided to give us a shitty origin story for the Great Intelligence which makes them seem far less cool. It's a hard job to take an iconic Doctor Who villain and turn them into something created from the imagination of a child and fill in a boring episode around them.
I'm not sure why those lame characters from A Good Man Goes to War have come back. Did anyone even like them the first time? I was also rather disappointed that we barely got any real knowledge of who Clara is. We got some biographical information, but her character remains pretty loosely formed at best. All we got were a bunch of quips (because we haven't seen those before). Rather than having some scenes of Clara and the Doctor going on about how clever they are and bantering, couldn't we have gotten some actual drama and development? We also could have gotten some of that by avoiding multiple scenes of Strax being an idiot and talking about grenades and that whole embarrassing bit where the Doctor pretends to be Sherlock Holmes for no discernible reason. And that whole bit where the Doctor grabs a ladder out of nowhere like he's Mary Poppins, and we then have a long bit of Clara climbing an invisible staircase which doesn't really advance anything and seems to have just been put in because Moffat thought it was cool.
The setup of the Doctor dealing with the loss of his longtime companion(s) to some sort of technobabble bit that effectively makes it impossible for him to ever see again, and then meeting up with a new female character who is interested in him and tries to draw him back in again was a good setup...in The Runaway Bride. I also want to applaud Moffat for telling us a Christmas story set in Victorian times. And it was great of him to step outside of his comfort zone and give us some precocious kids, a companion who dies but will live again in some form, and monsters who are tied in some way to your memory and perception of them. Plus the Sonic Screwdriver being used as a magic wand. Not since Planet of the Daleks has Doctor Who been treated to such an original story.
Also, the 'smaller on the outside' bit was already done in The Waters of Mars, and the food preparation abilities of the TARDIS were brought up all the way back in the very first season. Then again, the Doctor can barely seem to remember one of his great foes in this story, so I guess it all fits together.
On the plus side, I loved the TARDIS console room. The episode definitely looked pretty, and the music was generally good. I did really like the scene where the snowmen ate the workers, and a handful of other moments, and the memory erasing worm being in the box was a good moment. But they were few and far between, sadly.
The Technomancer
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Yup, many of these complaints I share as well. Even for Doctor Who this episode felt...shallow and flashy. A series of "awesome" moments and sequences not given the context they needed. And some of those moments were cool! But the structure just wasn't there.
Bobby Roberts
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I thought this felt kinda old-school (although that in itself has a bunch of positive and negatives inherent) but it was a nice blend of Five and Nine, but he looked a little like Eight.
The last 15 minutes got Moffat-y in all the typically annoying ways, though. Man sure does love his fucking pretzels.
The last 15 minutes got Moffat-y in all the typically annoying ways, though. Man sure does love his fucking pretzels.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Fantastic episode.
I'm gonna say it. I am in love with Coleman/Clara, and I'm gonna go to England, and charm her into marrying me. I am throwing the gauntlet, gents.
Smith was fucking hilarious in this episode. From his conversations with the potato to his slapstick moments and the Sherlock thing, he was on fire.
Love the new mystery of the reincarnating girl. Finally, the best companion for the Doctor: No matter how many times she dies, she'll just keep coming back to him.
Now, I'm not one to advocate adultery, but Doc, I suggest you just forget about River, get a divorce and just for once go get the girl.
Hey, I ain't hating this idea.
I'm gonna say it. I am in love with Coleman/Clara, and I'm gonna go to England, and charm her into marrying me. I am throwing the gauntlet, gents.
Smith was fucking hilarious in this episode. From his conversations with the potato to his slapstick moments and the Sherlock thing, he was on fire.
Love the new mystery of the reincarnating girl. Finally, the best companion for the Doctor: No matter how many times she dies, she'll just keep coming back to him.
Now, I'm not one to advocate adultery, but Doc, I suggest you just forget about River, get a divorce and just for once go get the girl.
Hey, I ain't hating this idea.
Weird episode. A lot of it seemed incoherent to me and the pacing definitely felt off. At least the new companion is hot and likable with an interesting mystery.
Also I really only like the Sontaran dude from that "Good Man Goes to War" trio, the other two aren't very interesting.
Also I really only like the Sontaran dude from that "Good Man Goes to War" trio, the other two aren't very interesting.
User 100115
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Can't say I know for sure. I bailed on Smallville early.
Also, Fiction, are you alive? Doctor dressed as Sherlock Holmes!
I am I was avoiding the thread until I could watch it. All the Sherlock refrences have to be Moffat trolling Sherlock fans. Damned tease.
But yeah, that was amazing, my two loves in one!
Citizen_Insane
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Don't say this. My heart can't take it. I WANT IT TOO MUCH.
The thing is, though, she *can* and *does* die. At least, I assume the grave is inhabited and the Dalek version was obliterated (and do remember, that didn't even have any human form at that point!). Just... at some point after that a *new* one appears.
I'll throw out one suggestion, but don't regard it as much more than musings: she's the same sort of thing as the Great Intelligence, albeit benign and perhaps unaware of the fact.
APZonerunner
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Also, on the Jack subject -- Over in Torchwood it's been revealed Jack has had children - at least one Daughter and Grandson - and his blood line can most certainly die. Moffat's said while has has no intention to ever reuse elements or anyone other than maybe Jack, Torchwood (and Sarah Jane) are both still canon to his era of Who. So, there y'go.
The best part of the Snowmen episode was Ian McKellen, i recognized his voice immediately in the opening scene. Such a boss. Shame they did not manged to get him some on screen part as a villain.
Also, we should remember comments of those kids before ice governess appeared. They mentioned Clara's "defineatley true" stories, about how she was "born behind the clock of Big Ben" and that she "invented fish so that she would not swim alone". Those stories will most surely appear in the second part of S7 or in S8.
Also, we should remember comments of those kids before ice governess appeared. They mentioned Clara's "defineatley true" stories, about how she was "born behind the clock of Big Ben" and that she "invented fish so that she would not swim alone". Those stories will most surely appear in the second part of S7 or in S8.
MesserWolf
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Very nice special ..... I would say it is one of my favourites so far. Definitely better than the last year's one.
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GameplayWhore
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I would not at all complain if they did something a bit city of deathy as others have suggested here.
My actual expectation is to be disappointed by the revelation at the end of the season. But I can say this: She's not a Time Lord, so I don't know why people are saying "maybe she's X regenerated!". She's working the opposite way of a timelord, one person living "separate" lives as opposed to "separate" persons living one life.
Oddly, her mystery reminds me of Rory, as she's dying rather constantly then coming back at different time periods. The only way I feel that they could have done better so far with the character would be if they casted Arthur Darvill as Miss Oswald.
The Elite
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Welp. I need these in my life.
KibblesBits
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It's a joke that whenever a female who seems to do strange or impossible things is introduced to the show that people suggest it is The Rani or some other female Timelord. It's a long running joke. (Which could one day be true once this show runner leaves and the copyrights to The Rani expire...)
That said, I don't think we'll see the day when a male Doctor has a male companion only for a moderate or long period of time. We were lucky to see Aliens tagging along as "pals" this special when they used to occasionally show up as full fledged companions.
Darvill in drag played straight? Yes, please.
Can I have them all?If anybody cares for some avatars:
Don't think I made enough Jenna-Louise Coleman ones.
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