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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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peanutbutterlatte
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If you like your theories cheap and baseless, then sure!
It would be. Would explain why Sexy doesn't like Clara all that much too. But I hope that's not all there is too it, there needs to be more to Clara to explain how she ended up as a Dalek.
What's yet to be explained about that?
So a regular Who finale then. It's at least better than the
Clara being shattered across time and saving the Doctor's life a bazillion times
I liked the theory that the Doctor had locked her out of the TARDIS so he could spy on her more though.
peanutbutterlatte
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I honestly don't see how that's better.
Probably just personal preference then. Maybe I'm just getting tired of the Companion yet again being absolutely integral in saving Earth/Time/Reality from invasion and/or utter destruction. It's like each subsequent Companion has to outdo the previous one in sheer cosmic importance.
WordAssassin
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I miss season-wide storytelling. Not necessarily multi-part episodes, though those were fun sometimes too, but I mean a prominent constant theme or plot through the whole season. Obviously the mystery of his name and Clara are there but they're totally background throwaway things it seems, with each episode being its own self-contained story and nothing really driving things forward. 
APZonerunner
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Regarding the vibe of
The Doctor's Daughter, I remember reading somewhere ages ago that the Doctor with the cyber-thing strapped to his face was actually like a cyborg sort of clone, so it may be that. Genetic extrapolation, etc etc.
peanutbutterlatte
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I think her being the TARDIS is pretty much that though, it would make her incredibly important, integral even. How do you write off a character like that?
APZonerunner
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Looking at Mark Gatiss' twitter account really is a tour de force. Somebody just wrote:
"Why did you write the Doctor sexually assaulting Jenny?!"
Because of the boner gag? Holy shit, dude.
"Why did you write the Doctor sexually assaulting Jenny?!"
Because of the boner gag? Holy shit, dude.
peanutbutterlatte
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They must have spontaneously combusted at River's "Focusing on a dress size" comment...
Exterminieren
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Look, Twitter person, we've all accepted that there are occasionally problematic elements to the portrayal of women in Moffat's series. You don't have to start making shit up on top of it.
Not the TARDIS. I'm fine with her being or becoming a TARDIS and going off to see the universe at her leisure. A bit akin to Jenny if you would but instead of being put on a bus, she becomes the bus.
Not that it is ever going to happen.
Think they're referring to him grabbing and kissing her. Still stupid though.
grimshawish
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AMY NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE CHILDREN WAS FUCKING SEXIST BULLSHIT BECAUSE IT WAS A PLOT ELEMENT INVOLVING A WOMAN MJSFHASLHFLJSHAFKJHASFKJSAHKAFSH
Its so tiring at this point. People have it in for the era and will find fucking anything to complain about.
APZonerunner
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Ah, of course! For some reason, I'd completely forgotten that happened!
Theory: At the start of the story, the Doctor was aiming for Victorian London and hit Victorian Yorkshire instead. Maybe the Doctor was aiming for Victorian London precisely *so* he'd have a ready explanation if Clara found evidence of her Victorian incarnation.
Ahem, guess you missed the spoilers.
http://forbiddenplanet.com/102573-doctor-who-time-zone-playset-1-dalek-invasion-2075ad/
Dalek Invasion; 2075AD and the Daleks have invaded Earth once more. Using their mighty Saucer ships they bombard London driving the surviving population underground. Once they land, the Daleks patrol the ground looking for survivors in the rubble to either exterminate or transform into their puppets using Dalek nanocloud technology. In the skies the Daleks use long range Hoverbout Anti-gravity disks to pursue the resistance. The TARDIS materialises near to a Trans-Sys matter transmission station in Hyde Park and the Doctor realises that he will need all his resources to once again defeat his oldest enemies and save the Earth from destruction. The future of the human race hangs in the balance.
Dalek Invasion; 2075AD and the Daleks have invaded Earth once more. Using their mighty Saucer ships they bombard London driving the surviving population underground. Once they land, the Daleks patrol the ground looking for survivors in the rubble to either exterminate or transform into their puppets using Dalek nanocloud technology. In the skies the Daleks use long range Hoverbout Anti-gravity disks to pursue the resistance. The TARDIS materialises near to a Trans-Sys matter transmission station in Hyde Park and the Doctor realises that he will need all his resources to once again defeat his oldest enemies and save the Earth from destruction. The future of the human race hangs in the balance.
infiniteloop
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Supposedly the preview discs sent out to the media for the finale have the last 5 minutes removed.
surprise Eccleston cameo, BELIEVE
EleventhDoctor
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It has to be something big then. We already know Tennant is in the finale-I'm assuming its him popping up at the end.
infiniteloop
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he is?
EleventhDoctor
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Sorry-not the finale, I meant to say "Special".
infiniteloop
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Yeah, probably be Tennant or
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John Hurt
GameplayWhore
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So far, this is gradually becoming the most particularly interesting solution for me, especially since "she's a TARDIS" explains her "taking care of younger beings" modus, can lead to a clean departure that isn't quite as bittersweet as Donna or Rory's end, and can very nicely lead into a new storytelling branch where the Doctor realizes that there's another Chronarch out there and gets to spend some time tracking the mysteriously hidden Gallifreyan.
Man, I really like the word "Chronarch" now. Also, no, not the Rani.
The Elite
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I like the idea of the latter showing up and saying (Potential Finale spoilers)
Hello! I'm the Doctor!
infiniteloop
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infiniteloop
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Yeah, true. I'd blocked The Next Doctor from my mind.
Something would need to happen to make the audience believe that
John Hurt is really The Doctor
The Elite
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That makes sense and the importance of
The Question
He shows up in the Doctor's TARDIS.
EleventhDoctor
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LastWhovian is too damn good at this.
I loved Crimson Horror. Seeing Vastra/Jenny/Strax again was fun. Tom Tom joke was a groaner, but cute. Strax stole every goddamn scene he was in. Loved the throwaway reference to the 5th Doctor (the bit about getting an Australian to Heathrow).
Clara is adorable, but she's even more useless than Martha (who at least got to use her nurse training on occasion). The only episode where she has been well used has been Asylum, and part of that was because she seemed to know him already, but the episodes seem to have done nothing to hint as to why that might be. I have a thin hope that the final episodes will reveal some subtle strand running through the episodes that culminate in a mindfuck of "Reichenbach Falls" proportions, but frankly I'm not holding my breath.
For all of RTD's faults, he was good about dropping hints and making viewers feel smart for noticing them and anticipating the payoff.
Clara is adorable, but she's even more useless than Martha (who at least got to use her nurse training on occasion). The only episode where she has been well used has been Asylum, and part of that was because she seemed to know him already, but the episodes seem to have done nothing to hint as to why that might be. I have a thin hope that the final episodes will reveal some subtle strand running through the episodes that culminate in a mindfuck of "Reichenbach Falls" proportions, but frankly I'm not holding my breath.
For all of RTD's faults, he was good about dropping hints and making viewers feel smart for noticing them and anticipating the payoff.
Felt like RTD was trying a bit too hard to hammer those hints at times. Bad Wolf was great, Torchwood was okay, Saxon was good, missing bees was trying a bit too hard, four knocks was also good.
Bad Wolf was great, because there was no context at all.
Torchwood wasn't as grand as Bad Wolf, but the pieces were certainly put in place and you knew exactly what it was after being brought up in Tooth and Claw.
Saxon was good. You had this nondescript person people are voting for who turned out to be this big thing.
Missing bees was hardly brought up, ended up being sidestepped by Bad Wolf again.
Four knocks was also good. The way it ends up playing off was great.
Let's not start this RTD vs. Moffat thing again.
Dude this is the best.
I've been trying to get my best mate to watch seasons 5-7 for the longest time now. She's STILL devestated over Tennet's departure and refuses to watch Matt Smith. Well if I show her this trailer she's going to fold now!
PLUS:
no spoilers
APZonerunner
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This mainly reminded me of how much I like the Cybermen theme they did, especially the very strings-heavy versions they did of it in this episode. I wonder if it'll be checked this week? The Dalek themes have been one of the musical elements to remain consistent in Moffat's run from RTD's... always did love in particular how right after the 'evolution' when the Doctor talks to them through the TARDIS comms and they say Bracewell is a bomb they use the same theme they used for the Cult of Skaro, as if to say 'yeah, this is staying the same.'
Thinking about music, I do miss the old Doctor's Theme. I hope it crops back up with Tennant in the 50th. It's inexplicably shown up in new arrangements twice in Smith's time, but never actually got used more heavily.
Zeouterlimits
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It was also rolled over by sticking a Rose appearance in almost every episode.
Egads that was annoying.
APZonerunner
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In fairness to the missing bees, it ends up bee-ing (HA HA HA) key - without that, they'd never have found Earth in the first place, rendering everything else moot. The Stolen Earth moves awfully quickly, though, and just how important that fact is ends up being glossed over with Tennant doing is happy-shouty voice about finding earth.
I've been thinking, wtf was up with the whole 'the Doctor can never see Rory and Amy again' thing?
Sure he can't fly to 50s New York, but both of them will probably live for another 35 years at least, and they're both capable of leaving New York.
I mean a few episodes ago didn't end up having to travel from the North Pole to the South Pole without the Tardis or something, in the 80s? They're both probably still alive then, there is nothing to stop him seeing them on the way.
I wish they'd just decided to stop travelling, maybe adopted a kid or something, and maybe from then on had cameos every now and then. This makes no sense
Sure he can't fly to 50s New York, but both of them will probably live for another 35 years at least, and they're both capable of leaving New York.
I mean a few episodes ago didn't end up having to travel from the North Pole to the South Pole without the Tardis or something, in the 80s? They're both probably still alive then, there is nothing to stop him seeing them on the way.
I wish they'd just decided to stop travelling, maybe adopted a kid or something, and maybe from then on had cameos every now and then. This makes no sense
Wasn't it that their story is written and it doesn't include the Doctor, so he can't cross into their timeline because paradox?
Hot Coldman
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I wish the plot was set up in a way that Amy and Rory would have died when they jumped from the Quay. What a perfect scene that was.
It's the flimsiest hand-wave in 11's run to me. I personally consider the Doctor dropping them at a new home in God Complex because he was afraid of putting them in more danger, and so they can live the rest of their life as a normal couple to be the real ending of Rory and Amy's companion story. Interesting development for the Doctor and a quiet goodbye where they keep being the Doctor's family for holiday dinners.
I enjoy Angels Take Manhattan because of the emotional payoff and the acting, but the conclusion of the plot just leaves that nagging feeling. Also, this scene should have made it in.
grimshawish
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Who cares, it was heartbreaking and a perfect send off to them both.
Grow hearts. Preferably two!
Grow hearts. Preferably two!
I love it on an emotional level (I cried irl!), but I don't consider it a perfect send off because of the plot being unnecessarily forced. The very fabric of Doctor Who is prone to handwaving and deus ex machinas, but once in a while there will be one that's harder to swallow, particularly so when it's a big deal and relates to not one but two huge characters.
I'm not even whining though, I'm over it by now. It's just that another friend that watches the show was talking about this very thing last week and the discussion was still fresh in my mind lol.
I'm not even whining though, I'm over it by now. It's just that another friend that watches the show was talking about this very thing last week and the discussion was still fresh in my mind lol.
The Technomancer
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The emotional part of it was ruined for me by the suddenness of it. Just "whew, everything is fine now, we escaped, SUDDENLY ANGEL OH NO THEY ARE GONE FOREVER IN ABOUT TEN SECONDS"
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