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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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The vibe of the Nightmare In Silver previews is pretty much to not expect The Doctor's Wife 2. Come to terms with that, and you'll be pretty much sorted.

Also, one of Gallifrey Base's more well-connected members is saying that the original plan for the anniversary was for 3 celebratory specials to be shot- the big anniversary day special, the Christmas Special, and another special written by RTD. This may or may not be happening any more, but current rumours are saying that only the Christmas special will be filmed in September, implying the RTD script might have fallen through.

A shame, if so. I'd dearly love another RTD one-off. :(

I wonder if it was a budget reason or because RTD was too busy?
 
Yeah, he's terminally ill I think. :( Even if not, it's very grim last that I read. I feel for them both, that man put up with basically an absent partner while RTD was doing Who and living in Cardiff.
 
Oh. Hadn't realised it was terminal. :(

Poor guys. Absolutely right that TV scripts go off the table.

Edited as I think, I'm not sure - but I swear I did read that somewhere. RTD did a radio interview early in the year and it sounded very horrid and grim indeed. That boyfriend of his did more for Doctor Who than most've us'll ever know, I think. An unsung hero of sorts.
 
Edited as I think, I'm not sure - but I swear I did read that somewhere. RTD did a radio interview early in the year and it sounded very horrid and grim indeed. That boyfriend of his did more for Doctor Who than most've us'll ever know, I think. An unsung hero of sorts.

Ah, OK. Edited.

And, yeah, I don't think we'll ever truly appreciate what Russell's partner has done both for the show on a wider level, and for Russell on a personal level. It's absolutely 100% right that the favour is repaid, and if we lose an episode as a result then so be it.
 
fuck that, I'm not sick of River.

Still like her.

I was sick of her after flesh and stone. She is one of the most dull recurring characters since the shows revival in my opinion. Not to mention the dragged out storyline about who she was when I think most of us had guessed it. Not only that but she irritates the life out of me with her "Sweetie" and "Spoilers" nonsense. I hate how intertwined she became with the story.

Doctors Lover
Amy's Child
Human with Time Lord abilities
Has Knowledge of the future

Someone on the show must fucking love her because she keeps getting all these important aspects to her character yet she still remains drab.
 
Finale Spoiler:

"Madame Vastra sets up this telepathic link thing to contact Clara across time at the beginning of the episode and she also contacts River Song who now just exists as a consciousness inside the library. River stays telepathically linked to Clara throughout the episode but is not physically there. When she is interacting with Clara no one else can see her."

There's also supposedly a Dalek (black) in the episode, which explains their mention in the DVD description.

Er... alright then.
 
I ... really don't think that's even remotely the case. Maybe once spoilers started leaking out about Good Man, but not really before that.

Really? I seem to remember many over at Digital Spy talking about it as if it was fact long before spoilers leaked. It was pretty straight forward when you think about it they introduce a companion and her boyfriend and then elude to a mystery character origin.

I personally was screaming it to my girlfriend long before the mid season reveal for what its worth.
 
Also (vagueish Clara mystery resolution spoiler) - it's being claimed that the solution to the mystery has to do with her
interacting with past Doctors, including 1-7. Jenna integrated into old footage, perhaps?

These things seem more likely now as the episode is out there in the hands of press etc, and tongues wag.
 

RedShift

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Finale Spoiler:

"Madame Vastra sets up this telepathic link thing to contact Clara across time at the beginning of the episode and she also contacts River Song who now just exists as a consciousness inside the library. River stays telepathically linked to Clara throughout the episode but is not physically there. When she is interacting with Clara no one else can see her."

There's also supposedly a Dalek (black) in the episode, which explains their mention in the DVD description.

Er... alright then.

God I hope
Clara doesn't turn out to be a post Library incarnation of River or something
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Also (vagueish Clara mystery resolution spoiler) - it's being claimed that the solution to the mystery has to do with her
interacting with past Doctors, including 1-7. Jenna integrated into old footage, perhaps?

These things seem more likely now as the episode is out there in the hands of press etc, and tongues wag.

Doesn't that kind of tie into recent rumours in the Daily Star ala The Trouble with Tribbles?
 

maharg

idspispopd
Really? I seem to remember many over at Digital Spy talking about it as if it was fact long before spoilers leaked. It was pretty straight forward when you think about it they introduce a companion and her boyfriend and then elude to a mystery character origin.

I personally was screaming it to my girlfriend long before the mid season reveal for what its worth.

It was certainly *A* theory, but it wasn't really the only one. And there was no real guarantee that River and Amy were so directly connected (even the river/pond thing isn't really useful because Moffat just seems to have a habit of whimsical names).

If River and Amy had been introduced in the same episode it'd have been another matter, but it was 2 years and, a new showrunner, and a new doctor between their introductions.
 
God I hope
Clara doesn't turn out to be a post Library incarnation of River or something

If it gets rid of Alex Kingston, who cares.

It was certainly *A* theory, but it wasn't really the only one. And there was no real guarantee that River and Amy were so directly connected (even the river/pond thing isn't really useful because Moffat just seems to have a habit of whimsical names).

If River and Amy had been introduced in the same episode it'd have been another matter, but it was 2 years and, a new showrunner, and a new doctor between their introductions.

I'd guessed it from the S6 opener. Amy's pregnant, there's a baby involved, and River just happens to be there? Girl wants to kill The Doctor. We already know River killed "the most important man she ever knew", no way that wasn't going to be a Doctor.
 
Doesn't that kind of tie into recent rumours in the Daily Star ala The Trouble with Tribbles?

[Finale Spoilers] Don't know about
The Daily Star stuff, but as a bonus:

The Blogtor Who guy was asked by somebody on Twitter if he'd seen the episode. He said yes. The same person then said "can you confirm if Doctors 1-7 appear in it?" and he then deleted his original reply and ignored the question. We're on, I think.
 
[Finale Spoilers] Don't know about
The Daily Star stuff, but as a bonus:

The Blogtor Who guy was asked by somebody on Twitter if he'd seen the episode. He said yes. The same person then said "can you confirm if Doctors 1-7 appear in it?" and he then deleted his original reply and ignored the question. We're on, I think.

Interested to see how they do this,
do they integrate with old footage or use body doubles/ old dialogue
 
[Finale Spoilers] Don't know about
The Daily Star stuff, but as a bonus:

The Blogtor Who guy was asked by somebody on Twitter if he'd seen the episode. He said yes. The same person then said "can you confirm if Doctors 1-7 appear in it?" and he then deleted his original reply and ignored the question. We're on, I think.

A rumor on Gallifrey Base suggested that

Clara will be interacting with the previous Doctors by having her inserted into old footage of the classic series
, and there strong suggestions that this is true.

And also that there will be a webisode series with
The Eighth Doctor
 
It was certainly *A* theory, but it wasn't really the only one. And there was no real guarantee that River and Amy were so directly connected (even the river/pond thing isn't really useful because Moffat just seems to have a habit of whimsical names).

If River and Amy had been introduced in the same episode it'd have been another matter, but it was 2 years and, a new showrunner, and a new doctor between their introductions.

What I'm saying is that it was the theory that most of us (or at least people I know personally and in the who fandom) had decided was most likely true. The River/Pond thing went a big way towards it. It was predictable in that regard many of us theorized it "early" on. I also seem to remember Moffat constantly saying how we would not believe who she was and no one had guessed her origin.
 

FillerB

Member
Well there really is no better way to pay tribute 50 years of Who then by having
a barely explored and personality-less character interact with every single Doctor
is there?

But yes please to a
8th Doctor webisode
.
 
Well there really is no better way to pay tribute 50 years of Who then by having
a barely explored and personality-less character interact with every single Doctor
is there?

But yes please to a
8th Doctor webisode
.

Moffat gotta leave his mark.

Ironically this'll be the second time, as he already retconned in River doing this in the expanded universe, with her slipping memory-loss drugs to ones pre-ten after meeting.
 

FillerB

Member
Moffat gotta leave his mark.

Ironically this'll be the second time, as he already retconned in River doing this in the expanded universe, with her slipping memory-loss drugs to ones pre-ten after meeting.

And my
River Song
hate just keeps on growing.
 

frontieruk

Member
Think I found my Birthday present...
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six DVDs with over 1000 minutes of Doctor Who footage, it brings together every Doctor’s regeneration episode.
 
Wow, really?

Yeah, it's mentioned in the show briefly - in Time of Angels she comments "I've got photos of all your faces," - and this has since been written in several places through the lore (books, games, DWM) officially that she went hopping around on a vortex manipulator finding and taking photos of his various incarnations. I believe she does the tenth as well, pre-library - for him between Rose and Martha - and he is the one she talked about drugging with a memory loss drug. "Mnemosine recall-wipe vapour." Forget-lipstick. Because OF COURSE she kisses them all.

One place they detail it is the PS3 game, which was authorized/edited by Moffat and written I think by Gareth Roberts, who is basically new Who loremaster. This'll turn your stomach:

"After his arrival in 1963, the Doctor had his first encounter with River Song, who would become his wife centuries later. He caught her sneaking around the junkyard where his TARDIS was located, but he was unaware of her identity. River ran off when she heard Susan, later writing in her diary that it was a conversation for which she was unprepared."

She was in the junkyard! Minutes prior to/during An Unearthly Child! I can't contain the vomit. Piss off, River.
 
Interview with Gaiman in SFX. They ask him how he would feel about being showrunner.

“I would love to do more Doctor Who. There’s so much stuff I’d love to do. Right now, it’s impossible. Right now I’m looking at it with that kind of horrible feeling that you genuinely can’t stop and raid the sweet shop. You’re on the bus and you’re going past and you’re going to be late for school if you go… so I tend to laugh when people say “Would you like to be the next showrunner after Moffat?” I don’t even have time to write an episode! You want me to be showrunner? Nothing else will happen in my entire life!”
 
Yep. He'll never do it. Shame. Hopefully they keep getting him for just one every year, though.

He said it takes about 4-6 month to write an episode because he is critical of his stuff and changes in other scripts mean he has to do a few rewrites. Doctors Wife had 11 rewrites. Nightmare in silver had 4 rewrites.

Its a big time commitment but he can justify it because of his love for the show and the fact he has made stacks of cash from being an author. He does express concern that about spending half a year year on year writing a who episode when he has other stuff to write.

Its also a bit unpractical because his episode are typically the big budget drains outside of the final. He likes grandeur and big nerdy space vistas which is fine with me but the Who accounting team kick up a stink about it.
 

maharg

idspispopd
That all sounds like something she'd do. It's not like it's out of character.

Seriously why would any of that 'turn your stomach'. I get not liking the character, but it's not like it changes anything about anything the previous doctors did. Nor is Who a stranger to retcon.
 

Avixph

Member
Seriously why would any of that 'turn your stomach'. I get not liking the character, but it's not like it changes anything about anything the previous doctors did. Nor is Who a stranger to retcon.
To me it just reads like a bad fan fiction story.
 
Seriously why would any of that 'turn your stomach'. I get not liking the character, but it's not like it changes anything about anything the previous doctors did. Nor is Who a stranger to retcon.

It just gets my back up the same way everything big ABSOLUTELY HAVING to come back to Rose in the end did previously; I love the idea of the River arc and even her character, I'm really just not a fan of how it has been executed post series 5 at all. It's a shame for me, particularly as I bloody love Alex Kingston.

The one thing I think they really missed a trick on is that I always liked the idea that (a bit like Rose, actually) River is a know-it-all smarmy smart-ass in the Library because she's old, experienced, and has known him forever. Going into series 5 and 6 I was really looking forward to the idea of her as a more vulnerable, weaker character, learning, growing - the idea that ultimately he corrupts her (as he always does, really), but backwards... I think that's an appealing, great concept. She emerges fully formed though, the River from the Library, wisecracking and making a hall full of nazis strip, and that was a missed opportunity imo; but now that's meandering down into River as a character in general.
 
I actually found that aspect of River's character kind of... cool.

If the rumors about her role in the finale are true though, good lord Moffat has some transference issue going on or something.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Another Gaiman interview about the next episode (includes some light plot details in case you're sensitive to spoilers):

Neil Gaiman Discusses Rebooting Cybermen on Doctor Who

After exploring the character of the TARDIS in the Hugo Award-winning 2011 Doctor Who episode “The Doctor’s Wife,” Neil Gaiman makes his triumphant return to the beloved BBC series in this week’s “Nightmare in Silver.” This time he tackles the Cybermen, who will be rebooted into new, more terrifying creatures in Saturday’s episode.

Gaiman participated in a conference call ahead of the episode’s premiere and he shared that Steven Moffat originally tasked him to “make the Cybermen scary again.” It was that pitch that got him hooked on the idea of returning to the world of Doctor Who.

“That one really got to me,” said the acclaimed author comics writer, who’s been a fan of Doctor Who since age 3. “I was terrified of them [when they were introduced]. I was much more scared of them than I was of the Daleks. … I started thinking, ‘Well, actually I love the design of the clanky-clanky steampunk Cybermen, but I know that their time is coming up and wouldn’t it be fun if I can make them more scary.’”

And make them scary he did. As fans will realize when the episode airs, these aren’t the Cybermen of years past. They’ve “upgraded” and will be much faster than their predecessors, which is something Gaiman feels is a natural progression for the characters. He said it makes sense for Cybermen to advance the speed of their movements, and thus their new upgraded forms shouldn’t spark a debate similar to the one about fast vs. slow zombies.

Gaiman opened up about the ideas for “Nightmare in Silver” that fell by the wayside. He originally wanted the episode to be set on an English beach and have the Cybermen rise out of the water, but he was unable to write that due to budgetary constraints. He also wanted the Cybermen to be more silent, which won’t necessarily come across in the episode. Despite some of his ideas not making the final cut and a lot of his content needing to be dropped, Gaiman said he still worked better on Doctor Who after being given constraints.

“It’s a wonderful thing as a writer to be given parameters and walls and barriers,” he said. “If somebody says to me, ‘We’d like a really good story about Shakespeare and cats,’ I’m much more likely to [write it].”

One aspect of the episode that was in there from the beginning is the chess game that is a focal point of “Nightmare in Silver.” Although the plan was originally to have Matt Smith’s Doctor appearing opposite a “very talkative Cyberman,” that evolved into having Smith play against a version of himself.

“It wasn’t until I was actually writing it, I was probably 15 or 20 pages into the script, I thought, actually, Matt is a good enough actor that he could do both sides of the chess game,” Gaiman said, conceding Smith wasn’t especially pleased about having to learn twice as many lines.

Don’t expect “Nightmare in Silver” to be Gaiman’s last Doctor Who episode. He said he has ideas for future Cybermen stories and for bringing back the Yeti. He’d also like to create a creature of his own.

“I think they’ll have me back. They seem to like me at Doctor Who, and I know that I definitely like them,” he said. “I’d love to create a monster. I’d really like to create a monster and have it be one that’s interesting enough or fun enough to come back rewritten by somebody else.”

Ultimately Gaiman’s return hinges on whether he has time to write another episode. Considering that the two he’s handled have been so well received, it’s assumed he’ll find the time to come back again in the future. Gaiman opened up about “The Doctor’s Wife” during the call and explained why he didn’t think giving the TARDIS a personality was especially controversial.

“I grew up definitely considering the TARDIS a character of Doctor Who and the only really consistent — not companion — but character. In some ways even more consistently there than the doctor,” he said. “When I wrote ‘The Doctor’s Wife’ I didn’t think that I was doing anything particularly odd or out of character in giving the TARDIS a personality. … I think mostly what I did is remind people that the TARDIS is also a living entity if they’d forgotten.”

As a final fun fact, Gaiman said Patrick Troughton is his favorite Doctor. “Nightmare in Silver” airs Saturday on BBC and BBC America.

And here's a link to the SFX interview mentioned by StalkerUKCG:

EXCLUSIVE – Neil Gaiman Talks Doctor Who And Cybermen
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Gaiman-created monster would be so rad. Hope they let him do it for the next Doctor, it would be the perfect opportunity.
 
So, if the rumor is that between the finale & the special

there's going to be an Eighth Doctor live-action webseries - doesn't it kinda follow that the Eighth will be IN the finale? It'd be weird to have this guy be making live-action Who episodes right before the 50th anniversary special and then NOT include him

However, how can that be true if

even for a webseries, Paul McGann running around with a camera crew would tip SOMEBODY off somewhere, right? You can't film a whole webseries without anybody noticing, can you?
 
So, if the rumor is that between the finale & the special

there's going to be an Eighth Doctor live-action webseries - doesn't it kinda follow that the Eighth will be IN the finale? It'd be weird to have this guy be making live-action Who episodes right before the 50th anniversary special and then NOT include him

However, how can that be true if

even for a webseries, Paul McGann running around with a camera crew would tip SOMEBODY off somewhere, right? You can't film a whole webseries without anybody noticing, can you?

Filming hasn't started yet. Long time between now and November.
 
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