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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Quick Mustard

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anyone else pick up from the prequel that he said something like
"When we went to Trenzalore"? Seems an odd thing to say. Kinda confirms (as if we didnt know) that they both make it out alive.
 
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CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Mariolee said:
Would spoiler that
for anyone who has read the leaks and doesn't want to know if they are true or not.
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That's a bit backwards imo, lol,
if you don't want to know what happens you shouldn't have read any rumours or leaks in the first place, if you had read them the teaser would have already told you what was true or not.
 
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CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Avixph said:
Guys what if that blogger was telling the truth and only said that they were lying because they were forced to? :O
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Because we already had a rumour what was going on in the last episode, and the teaser has already told us if that original one is true or not, I would ignore anything that was on the blog as it was just made from existing rumours floating around.
 
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Mariolee

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CorrisD said:
That's a bit backwards imo, lol,
if you don't want to know what happens you shouldn't have read any rumours or leaks in the first place, if you had read them the teaser would have already told you what was true or not.
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I agree, but just in case. :)

Was looking through the thread to try to find the
complete summary of the finale to see if it matches up
and I think concerning the finale, you are spot on.

CorrisD said:
It addresses what it needs to I guess, which is the Doctors Name and why The Silence were trying to prevent him using it, the name which I highly doubt we will hear anyway, but of course this solely relies on it actually happening.

If the rumor is to be believed his name is the key to his whole time stream, The Great Intelligence itself is supposed to be part of a race that existed before this universe and whose only aim is seemingly to kill, destroy and generally create mayhem for whatever reason, and they don't like Time Lords.

TGI gaining access to the Doctors time stream and killing him would undo everything he has done over his existence, the lives he's saved, the worlds he's helped, and he's done a lot. The point to be to both kill the Doctor completely and create mayhem throughout time. The point of The Silence is that seemingly they don't want this to happen and have been working against it, possibly why they tried to kill off the Doctor before his name could be revealed and TGI wouldn't be able to use it, they aren't inherently evil they just don't want the universe to explode.

Just going on the rumor I would throw out there that TGI is what destroyed the Tardis, one of his future uses of the Doctors time stream is him trying to wipe the universe from existence, which explains "the silence will fall" being the organisation that had been working against him.
Time being messed around is what leads into the 50th, the Doctors need to repair their time streams to preserve the universe as it was.

This of course is just an assumption going off the rumor, and of course Clara's multiple existences is explained pretty clearly in it.
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APZonerunner

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The big thing in that trailer is that there is very, very, very bloody clearly
Clara in costumes from a variety of eras. There's a very late 70s dull-coloured dress like something Annie would wear in Life on Mars, and a very obviously 80s red-and-leather getup. She's even got different hair in each, which is a very easy way continuity-wise to distinguish between multiple versions of the same character.

What's the betting that's from footage of her 'saving' each Doctor's life?

Also, the footage of River, however brief, shows her in similar (not identical) clothes to the sort of 'heaven robes' she was shown in once she entered the machine in the Library. The fact she also appears in the (ruined?) TARDIS standing very... simply (arms at her sides, etc) may well support her being post-death, consciousness only.

Another side note:
It makes sense that the Doctor's grave might be at Trenzalore, as we now know River's is there. Buried next to each other?
 
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CorrisD

badchoiceboobies
Mariolee said:
I agree, but just in case. :)

Was looking through the thread to try to find the
complete summary of the finale to see if it matches up
and I think concerning the finale, you are spot on.
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I didn't mean to sound so brash in that post, I just don't like people moaning about spoilers they read when they went out and read them on purpose, lol. But yea, that seems to cover it, possibly, besides that last paragraph which is far more of a guess than anything and probably wrong on the details on the 50th.
 
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Mariolee

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CorrisD said:
I didn't mean to sound so brash in that post, I just don't like people moaning about spoilers they read when they went out and read them on purpose, lol. But yea, that seems to cover it, possibly, besides that last paragraph which is far more of a guess than anything and probably wrong on the details going into the 50th.
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Nah it's fine, but yeah I think you're probably on point. It makes complete sense. Also, if anyone
wants to take another look at the spoiler leak: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1819717

SPOILERS.
 
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Gregorn

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Those spoilers sound pretty cool, I'd be happy with that all happened.

I really hated the fact that the children weren't impressed with travel through space and time, I know it would get boring have every character act equally amazed each time, but don't have them walking around bored and complaining about their phone.
 
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frankie_baby

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Spiffy_1st said:
Those spoilers sound pretty cool, I'd be happy with that all happened.

I really hated the fact that the children weren't impressed with travel through space and time, I know it would get boring have every character act equally amazed each time, but don't have them walking around bored and complaining about their phone.
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If anything I thought they acted like a couple of kids could very easily be in the circumstances
 
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StalkerUKCG

Banned
That was one of the worst episodes I've seen of new who. The beginning made no sense why would the doctor just take some kids along with him? After that you have a series of horrible quick cuts and clumsy story progression until the doctor gets a cyber leader in his brain that for some reasons acts like a absolute flamboyant asshole for the rest of the episode. Supporting cast were terrible, Warwick was underutilized. Cybermen lacked any real threat. It was just a messy disjointed story from start to finish that was a waste of airtime.
 
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Diablos54

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SquiddyCracker said:
This episode was pretty awful :/
I thought nothing could be worse than last week's episode, but this was just as bad :(
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StalkerUKCG said:
That was one of the worst episodes I've seen of new who. The beginning made no sense why would the doctor just take some kids along with him? After that you have a series of horrible quick cuts and clumsy story progression until the doctor gets a cyber leader in his brain that for some reasons acts like a absolute flamboyant asshole for the rest of the episode. Supporting cast were terrible, Warwick was underutilized. Cybermen lacked any real threat. It was just a messy disjointed story from start to finish that was a waste of airtime.
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[Moffat]YOU'RE BOTH ERASED FROM THIS THREAD FOREVER!![/Moffat]
 
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Keyser Soze

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I have not read any spoilers, or kept to to date with anything really (bar just watching the show). I have not highlighted any black bars on this page or the many pages previous, and the last thing I watched was Episode 7, the preview for 8, and the teaser/trailer - but I want to make a stupid guess where this is going...

My stupid guess - which is stupid (an makes no sense) - is that Clara is
Twelve
!

TADA!!
 
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SquiddyCracker

Banned
The cybermen were actually alright as the episode enemies, as they were actually powerful for once. The problem was that their damn cyber leader acted no different from the doctor (which makes no sense whatsoever, and kinda ruined the back&forth dialogue with the doctor imho).

The rest of the episode (kids, clara suddenly acting differently, reject soldiers, clara not following up with the "impossible girl" stuff, disjointed start) was just god awful.

If Moffat never answers who the voice was ("Silence shall fall") then he's dead to me.
 
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DieH@rd

Banned
This episode was OK, but it was no where near to the level of The Doctor's Wife.

Next week, season finale. That has to be good.
 
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infiniteloop

Member
APZonerunner said:
The big thing in that trailer is that there is very, very, very bloody clearly
Clara in costumes from a variety of eras. There's a very late 70s dull-coloured dress like something Annie would wear in Life on Mars, and a very obviously 80s red-and-leather getup.
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You can see around the 0:14s mark
Bessie, when Clara is wearing her 70s clothes
.

Episode was pretty good. So "make the cybermen scary again" means "make them like the Terminator".
 
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Jackpot

Banned
Watching on iplayer. So far:

"The future sucks, my mobile doesn't work."

"I'm bored!"

"You're always turning up and ruining everything, why can't you leave me alone?"

Tell me these brats get fucking executed.
 
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APZonerunner

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Jackpot said:
Watching on iplayer. So far:

"The future sucks, my mobile doesn't work."

"I'm bored!"

"You're always turning up and ruining everything, why can't you leave me alone?"

Tell me these brats get fucking executed.
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According to the cast list released last week, They're in next week's episode too! Enjoy.

Not as much, I don't think.
 
Jex

Jex

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Finally, an honest to goodness enjoyable episode. It's been far too long since this series has been any good. The final piece of set design looked deliberately cheesy, like something out of the original series. Great stuff.

I'm surprised that people were bothered by the kids. They weren't involved in that much of the action, the actors were reasonably competent and they didn't impact the story too overtly - this was hardly 'Fear Her' (trust me I just watched it).

I would agree that the beginning did feel a little rushed - they just just kind of arrived without explanation but I feel enough was established last week and through their dialogue this week to explain what was going on. They were clearly trying to devote as much run time as possible to the actual story of the episode as opposed to how they all came to be there. I don't really know why you'd want to see another five minute sequence of "Wow, it's bigger on the inside".
 
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APZonerunner

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Somebody is saying that next week
The Seventh Doctor encounter with Clara is when he's dangling off that cliff. That'd be good for a laugh, and very Moffatly subversive.
 
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Spirit of Jazz

Banned
SquiddyCracker said:
The cybermen were actually alright as the episode enemies, as they were actually powerful for once. The problem was that their damn cyber leader acted no different from the doctor (which makes no sense whatsoever, and kinda ruined the back&forth dialogue with the doctor imho).
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I really liked Mr. Clever and I thought it made sense he acted like an evil doctor given both his entire brain wasn't assimilated along with the fact he was a controller which might have benefited from that kind of personality. To be honest I wouldn't mind if Smith came back post regeneration as an antagonist since I liked the performance so much, he would be a great foil for a serious doctor.

However the kids were terrible, all of the troops were terrible, the story was predictable and it was a massive disappointment given Gaiman's last episode was one of my favourite Who stories.
 
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SquiddyCracker

Banned
Spirit of Jazz said:
I really liked Mr. Clever and I thought it made sense he acted like an evil doctor given both his entire brain wasn't assimilated along with the fact he was a controller which might have benefited from that kind of personality. To be honest I wouldn't mind if Smith came back post regeneration as an antagonist since I liked the performance so much, he would be a great foil for a serious doctor.

However the kids were terrible, all of the troops were terrible, the story was predictable and it was a massive disappointment given Gaiman's last episode was one of my favourite Who stories.
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It's nice to see an evil doctor, sure, but it was just stupid and could probably have been just as well with a cyber controller acting visibly different from the doctor. It would also make the later scene with Clara make so much more sense :

"Hello there Clara, hand over that trigger to me, it's not like you have any reason to suspect me being the big bad after I've already been making it clear that I can act like the doctor".

Had the cyber controller in that moment attempted to imitate the doctor, I feel that the scene would have been pulled off so much better.
 
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StalkerUKCG

Banned
I can't see how the cyber leader dropped the cybermen attitude and turned into a weird evil doctor. It makes no sense.

The kids are only in one scene next week according to some episode hints.
 
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8bit

Knows the Score
I thought the throwback to a previous Doctor was the
gold looking badge Clara was wearing in an Adric style
. Good episode though.
 
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peanutbutterlatte

Member
Has anybody noticed the mannequin of
9's head
in the prequel?

8bit said:
I thought the throwback to a previous Doctor was the
gold looking badge Clara was wearing in an Adric style
. Good episode though.
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Lol, it was when they showed all the regenerations, Smith talked in a Northern accent and said "Fantastic!" followed by "Allonsy"

FANTASTIC.gif


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Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
I agree that Mr. Clever acting like that made sense, it was established in the episode that with the cyber-thing they still act like the previous personality considering Cyber-Webley also retained part of his. You're not fully assimilated and all that.

Matt doing the two persona act was great. So that's what Gaiman was talking about in the SFX interview regarding stuff he only wrote because he knew Smith could pull it off.

Episode was satisfying, pacing was slightly off but still enjoyable. Also, I don't know how to put it, but some of the conversations felt kind of stiff? Like the actors couldn't get a chemistry going at some parts. It probably had to do with the directing as I didn't feel it was the script or a particular problem with the acting either since even the kids were good enough.

Clara not inquiring again about being an impossible girl made no sense though, I cant wait for this uneventful mystery to be over.
 
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Hot Coldman

Banned
The Cyber-Planner acted like the Doctor because he WAS the Doctor, he hadn't been entirely converted yet, and had the Doctor lost he would have taken over the Doctor's body and acted like any other Cyberman, just with the superior brainpower of a Time Lord. Notice how the first guy to get converted began acting like a Cyber-worshipping version of himself, and ended up silent, completely still and beeping. It's all part of this particular conversion process.

Why would a generic Cyber Controller make more sense? The Doctor wasn't fighting a split personality, he was fighting an internal invasion- as long as he continued to fight it, the Cyber-Planner would retain some of the Doctor's traits.

Also, that would have been dreadful to watch, Matt hopping between his normal performance and some monotone robotic voice. The current performance was fantastic and shows there's still a lot of life left in his Doctor yet.
 
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StalkerUKCG

Banned
Hot Coldman said:
The Cyber-Planner acted like the Doctor because he WAS the Doctor, he hadn't been entirely converted yet, and had the Doctor lost he would have taken over the Doctor's body and acted like any other Cyberman, just with the superior brainpower of a Time Lord. Notice how the first guy to get converted began acting like a Cyber-worshipping version of himself, and ended up silent, completely still and beeping. It's all part of this particular conversion process.

Why would a generic Cyber Controller make more sense? The Doctor wasn't fighting a split personality, he was fighting an internal invasion- as long as he continued to fight it, the Cyber-Planner would retain some of the Doctor's traits.

Also, that would have been dreadful to watch, Matt hopping between his normal performance and some monotone robotic voice. The current performance was fantastic and shows there's still a lot of life left in his Doctor yet.
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Okay, I can understand that now still does not make the episode any better but I can see the logic behind a partial conversion
 
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Hot Coldman

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Bufbaf said:
Maaaan, he really should have gotten more than that one short season :(( Fantastic Doctor and my first one :3
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Mine too, and I loved his Doctor, but re-introducing regeneration was vital, so I'm glad he allowed that to happen.

Fucking bummer he wouldn't do the 50th, though. :/
 
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