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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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I still love 90% of Love and Monsters.

I'm gonna start my own Who-GAF with Davies fans and hookers.

Love & Monsters is definitely great. It took me a second viewing and reading some lovely write ups from smarter people than me, but I did realize how great it was. And such a smart script, too. It's a great celebration of life. It's messy, life affirming, dark, and bizarre all in about a 45 minute stretch.

"When you're a kid, they tell you it's all... grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it. But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better."
 
Agreed. That said, I think Gatiss is most likely, as he sort of shows that same lineage as Moffat and RTD, with Doctor Who running through all his pre-Who work massively and all that. Plus, he does have experience running shows, from League of Gentlemen to Sherlock.

I don't think he has much of a vision for the show, mind. But maybe there's a master plan lurking away there.

He was recently asked in an interview if he'd like to take over from Moffat, and he sheepishly smiled and said "You know I can't answer that." Which is code for "Yes, christ, yes."

I think he would be the likeliest choice as well.

I know that people give most of his episodes a lot of flak, but i personally think his episodes are fine. Especially the CRIMSON HORRA, because i had my expectations low for it, as it was just a filler episode, but he's proven that he can write historicals, IMO.
 

V_Arnold

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"His episodes are fine" is not exactly a ringing endorsement for the top job.

But realistically, what are the chances of an "outsider" suddenly showing up? If there is not anyone on the horizon who is able to do so, then.... how and when will be Moffat replaced?

I keep wishing that they would get Hickman for Doctor Who.
 
9. River Knowing The Doctor's Name

If River never shows up again, we have to assume in the 100 years odd of married "bliss" Doctor and River had that he at some point told her, but in Silence in the Library we're lead to believe there's only "one time he ever could" tell her this information. Still... she is his wife.

8. The Duck Pond With No Ducks

Clearly this is the cracks doing. I'd assume that would be obvious.

7. The Clerics

I would like to find out the whole deal with the clerics, but I always assumed it was simply a semi-lazy political comment by Moffatt on the militarization of religion.

6. The Silence

If Moffatt knows what he's doing, and I mean, that's the overall hope; The Silence will have something to do with 11's regeneration. Either that, or the Pandorica/Lake Silencio/Great Intelligence situations have proven them to be fucking idiots and they disbanded.

5. The Doctor’s Daughter

The episode was shithouse. Move on.

4. The Doctor’s Character Changes

That's called "character development" WhatCulture. A person who's been alive 1000+ years is bound to undergo some personality quirks, especially if you're not ignoring the fact that it's been stated multiple times the Doctors are all different men essentially with the same memories. Check your mythology.

3. The Doctor’s Lie About The Gamma Forest

This was a simplistic throwaway thing to show how not everybody the Doctor touches can be an Amy Pond or a Rose Tyler, and people are bound to get hurt. This, in turn, contributing to the "Doctor = Warrior" shtick. Reading into things is fun, but too much.

2. Is Series 7 Really Out Of Order?

Probably the only interesting idea in the article. I like the idea that the insistence on killing whatshisface in A Town Called Mercy is an effect of his hatred of the Angels. Probably doesn't hold much truth, but pretty cool. And the ending of TATM pretty much implies this sort of with him telling stories to Lil' Amelia.

1. Jack Harkness’ Future

Again, a throwaway remnant of RTD's era that he left open for a future writer who was potentially interested in the idea. Moffatt clearly is not.
 

RetroMG

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Hey MB, I'm going to borrow your list and your comments to expand my own thoughts.

9. River Knowing The Doctor's Name

If River never shows up again, we have to assume in the 100 years odd of married "bliss" Doctor and River had that he at some point told her, but in Silence in the Library we're lead to believe there's only "one time he ever could" tell her this information. Still... she is his wife.

And she very clearly says in Name of the Doctor that she spent a long time wearing him down to convince him to tell her. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to assume that we'll eventually see an 11/River Novel or Big Finish or even Comic Book series that slowly builds to this moment. The whole "11/River spend years having off-screen adventures" feels like insurance for future side stories to me.


8. The Duck Pond With No Ducks

Clearly this is the cracks doing. I'd assume that would be obvious.

Yes. This was not stated clearly, but it was stated. It's part of the Doctor's rant when he's figuring things out in Flesh and Stone.


7. The Clerics

I would like to find out the whole deal with the clerics, but I always assumed it was simply a semi-lazy political comment by Moffatt on the militarization of religion.

I always just figured it was world building.


6. The Silence

If Moffatt knows what he's doing, and I mean, that's the overall hope; The Silence will have something to do with 11's regeneration. Either that, or the Pandorica/Lake Silencio/Great Intelligence situations have proven them to be fucking idiots and they disbanded.

I kind of hope the Silence just quietly go away, but I really don't think it's likely. They were really good villains in Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, but that's it.

I wouldn't mind Kovarian coming back, though. I liked her as a villain.


5. The Doctor’s Daughter

The episode was shithouse. Move on.

I think I'm the only person on earth who liked the Doctor's Daughter. I think given her own show and/or character arc where she's torn between her military programming and the Doctor's influcence could have made Jenny a compelling character. She even could have been a nice addon to Sarah Jane or Torchwood.

That being said, losing her wasn't a huge loss, either.


4. The Doctor’s Character Changes

That's called "character development" WhatCulture. A person who's been alive 1000+ years is bound to undergo some personality quirks, especially if you're not ignoring the fact that it's been stated multiple times the Doctors are all different men essentially with the same memories. Check your mythology.

Not to mention the toll that the Doctor's stressful life must take on his emotional state.


3. The Doctor’s Lie About The Gamma Forest

This was a simplistic throwaway thing to show how not everybody the Doctor touches can be an Amy Pond or a Rose Tyler, and people are bound to get hurt. This, in turn, contributing to the "Doctor = Warrior" shtick. Reading into things is fun, but too much.

I did always expect the story to swing around to having the Doctor visit the Gamma Forest. I honestly thought it would be in the slot occupied by Let's Kill Hitler. But they didn't do it, and that's OK. It'd be weird to go back now.



2. Is Series 7 Really Out Of Order?

Probably the only interesting idea in the article. I like the idea that the insistence on killing whatshisface in A Town Called Mercy is an effect of his hatred of the Angels. Probably doesn't hold much truth, but pretty cool. And the ending of TATM pretty much implies this sort of with him telling stories to Lil' Amelia.

If memory serves, The comment about the charger is in Town Called Mercy, while the actual scene is in Power of Three. But I believe Power of Three jumps around in time a fair amount. (It's been a while since I've seen it.) I think we're just seeing some of the events out of order, which kind of makes sense for the Doctor's life.


1. Jack Harkness’ Future

Again, a throwaway remnant of RTD's era that he left open for a future writer who was potentially interested in the idea. Moffatt clearly is not.

It was a funny gag, and that's about it.
 

The Real Abed

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I think I'm the only person on earth who liked the Doctor's Daughter. I think given her own show and/or character arc where she's torn between her military programming and the Doctor's influcence could have made Jenny a compelling character. She even could have been a nice addon to Sarah Jane or Torchwood.
I enjoyed the episode too.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Yes. This was not stated clearly, but it was stated. It's part of the Doctor's rant when he's figuring things out in Flesh and Stone.
Yep, it's as close to spelling it out as it can be:

Doctor: Cracks in time, time running out... No, couldn't be. How is a duck pond a duck pond if there aren't any ducks? And she didn't recognise the Daleks! OK, time can shift, time can change, time can be rewritten.
(cuts to a scene with the clerics walking up to the crack and going out of existence)
 
I think I'm the only person on earth who liked the Doctor's Daughter. I think given her own show and/or character arc where she's torn between her military programming and the Doctor's influcence could have made Jenny a compelling character. She even could have been a nice addon to Sarah Jane or Torchwood.

That being said, losing her wasn't a huge loss, either.

I thought that she could've been a worthy companion, no flirting between companion and Doctor, which is what the hardcore fans seem to want, and it would be a reverse dynamic that The 9th Doctor and Rose had, since she was born in battle.

It would also bring back a similar dynamic that the 1st Doctor and Susan had, which is one of the top 5 Companion/Doctor pairs, IMO.
 

wetflame

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For those who are in London and that way inclined, the Prince Charles Cinema in Leicester Square is having a bit of a Doctor Who event, showing The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Midnight and Turn Left on Sunday 27th October.
DOCTOR WHO finally steps out of the Tardis and into the Prince Charles Cinema, as we set aside a day to celebrate one of our favourite Doctors of the modern series... the 10th Dr, played by DAVID TENNANT.

We put out a vote out to our Facebook followers asking which episodes they would like us to screen, and four of the most popular choices were those featuring David Tennant so we thought we'd build the whole day around him.

Not only will we be bringing you rare big-screen presentations of GIRL IN THE FIREPLACE, BLINK, MIDNIGHT and TURN LEFT, but our friends over at Pop Culture Hound will be hosting a live podcast in between the four episodes which will feature some very special guests.

There will be more fun, games & giveaways to be announced in the coming weeks so bookmark this page and check back for updates.

Tickets are £25, which is a bit steep, but depending on the guests it might be worthwhile, plus you get to see those episodes on the big screen. No official sanction from the BBC or anything though so I wouldn't expect too much!
 

mclem

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If concrete fellatio jokes are your bag, watch Doctor Who!

It's how I get my rocks off.

8. The Duck Pond With No Ducks
Clearly this is the cracks doing. I'd assume that would be obvious.

I've always taken this to just be an observation about an English idiom: It is perfectly normal to refer to a small village or garden pond as a duck pond even if there's never any ducks on it. I've certainly done so.
 
For those who are in London and that way inclined, the Prince Charles Cinema in Leicester Square is having a bit of a Doctor Who event, showing The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Midnight and Turn Left on Sunday 27th October.

Tickets are £25, which is a bit steep, but depending on the guests it might be worthwhile, plus you get to see those episodes on the big screen. No official sanction from the BBC or anything though so I wouldn't expect too much!

"For this screening dedicated to the Tenth Doctor, here's 4 episodes, two of which feature very very little of the Tenth Doctor."
 
"For this screening dedicated to the Tenth Doctor, here's 4 episodes, two of which feature very very little of the Tenth Doctor."

Well, eh. Girl in the Fireplace is a pretty good episode for his Doctor as he's a romantic sort of Doctor at heart, always bellyaching over some feeling or another. Blink is just iconic. Midnight is his best performance and script of his era, hands down. Turn Left is a really interesting choice, I think, as though he isn't in it much, it shows the effect he had on the universe around him and (even if only via proxy) features/mentions all of his companions.

I mean, The Stolen Earth/Journey's End might have been a better pick, but the problem is that's nearly two full hours and would basically eat up the whole presentation. Those two episodes are basically a movie.

Seems like Christmas filming might be delayed again. Matt's fucked his knee playing football or something, and is on crutches. He was meant to be on Blue Peter yesterday and cancelled.

More time for the hair to grow back, I suppose.
 
Turn Left is a bit of an odd choice if the focus is on 10, but I do think that Catherine Tate probably gives the strongest companion performance in Who history in that ep. Her absolute terror at the thing on her back was utterly believable.
 

wetflame

Pizza Dog
Turn Left is a bit of an odd choice if the focus is on 10, but I do think that Catherine Tate probably gives the strongest companion performance in Who history in that ep. Her absolute terror at the thing on her back was utterly believable.

Well, as they say in the description I quoted:
We put out a vote out to our Facebook followers asking which episodes they would like us to screen, and four of the most popular choices were those featuring David Tennant so we thought we'd build the whole day around him.
Guess that while the focus of the event is on Tennant the episodes themselves were just picked via vote so it might explain why there's two Doctor-lite episodes there.
 

Effect

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BBCA is showing the special on the 8th Doctor tonight. So if you haven't seen the Paul McGann Doctor Who film tonight's a good time.

Looking at the talk leading up to the film I now realize I had seen this on TV (likely cable) when I was younger. Or at least parts of it because I remember certain scenes they showed but I did not have any idea what I was watching at the time. In fact it was always something I was curious about tracking down but I never had a name to put to it. Just various scenes but no idea of the name of the film, actors, etc. Pretty sure the parts I did see were all non-Tardis parts too because I'm sure I would have remembered the design of this Tardis.
 

Borman

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I always thought that ignoring the Silence could have been done purposefully. Not only do the characters in the show forget, but given enough time, we could forget all about them as well, until they are just there again. Doubtful, but who knows :)
 
BBCA is showing the special on the 8th Doctor tonight. So if you haven't seen the Paul McGann Doctor Who film tonight's a good time.

Looking at the talk leading up to the film I now realize I had seen this on TV (likely cable) when I was younger. Or at least parts of it because I remember certain scenes they showed but I did not have any idea what I was watching at the time. In fact it was always something I was curious about tracking down but I never had a name to put to it. Just various scenes but no idea of the name of the film, actors, etc. Pretty sure the parts I did see were all non-Tardis parts too because I'm sure I would have remembered the design of this Tardis.

I remember first seeing this, i though it was the craziest thing ever.

This was my first Who story, and I loved it, and i don't regret a minute.
 
I think my favourite line in the movie is just the gleeful "These shoes... they fit perfectly!" There's so much Eccleston Doctorness in that line and its delivery.
 
I think it's grea that Mcgann is beloved by fans-even though he had that "one" episode. He really made a tremendous impression.

I'd love for him to be in more crossovers on TV or even have some web-episodes soley focused on him. Given the circumstances of the 50th anniversary episodes, it would be nice if they committed to such things.
 
He was given such a bad set of luck, could have been a really great Doctor. I still maintain he's going to be in the 50th in some way, shape or form, denials mean nothing.
 

Volotaire

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Watching Hide, I'm not liking Clara at all.

EDIT: well at least the CGI has improved .

EDIT 2: Oh here we go I've seen the
end of the Earth, I'm dead talk
 
It's also worth remembering that, despite only having the single televised adventure, the Eighth Doctor was the "active" one for the better part of a decade between the film and the series revival with novels and comic strips in the period.
 
Picked up the Ice Warriors DVD the other, half way through episode 2, I don't remember the animated stuff being this jarring in The Invasion, I dunno just something about the movements seem odd. Other then that its pretty good plus more Troughton to enjoy is always a good thing. Also I love the clothing they have the people of earth wearing in the future. I really do wish that Retro-futurism look alot of the old Sci Shows have becomes a real thing one day, just love that look.
 
Don't think the hair is going to grow back in time for filming...

from tonight:

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Quick

Banned
He cut it again, I'm sure they will be using a wig for filming

Yeah, I was going to mention that his hair looks freshly cut.

I suspect he may have filmed a scene or two for the Christmas special-but I'm still leaning towards a fake out.

I feel like Moffat's willing to hire a fake crew, and fake a filming with Matt Smith at a public place just to draw attention to it, then film Capaldi's separately in a locked down area.
 
He's confirmed he starts filming the Christmas Special on Sunday with a wig. Pack your conspiracy theories away.

I feel like Moffat's willing to hire a fake crew, and fake a filming with Matt Smith at a public place just to draw attention to it, then film Capaldi's separately in a locked down area.

He'd get his arse busted for flagrant misuse of license fee money faster than blinking.
 
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