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[Worthintendo]

It should all be revealed by Tuesday or Wednesday.

It sounds like this announcement will only concern Web and Enemy (and that Episode 3 of Web is not included), but that the rest (of the original 90 episode rumor) all do exist and are on their way back eventually once negotiations are completed (including Episode 3 of Web).

More Toughton is a good thing ^_^

If its only those 2, I'm happy, any more and its just extra goodness

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Series 6 and 7 just have so many. =( Am I just paying attention more, or are the plotholes in 5/6/7 particularly large?

There's more plot in those seasons.

The connecting threads during the RTD era were one note enough to avoid being open to holes.

 

[The Technomancer]

There's more plot in those seasons.

The connecting threads during the RTD era were one note enough to avoid being open to holes.

Basically. RTD kept things simple and didn't hint at much so the finale's could be their own things while still tying into the rest of the series. Moffat has been much more specific with his cryptic hints about actual events and places and big plot points. This is not intrinsically a worse approach. What makes it worse is that he is clearly dropping these things without actually having a coherent vision of what they tie into at the end. I've had this as a suspicion for a while but the S7 finale cinched it for me:

For all that I criticize Moffat I simply cannot believe that he is such a poor writer that back when he first dropped the prophetic lines about Trenzalore and being unable to not answer and the name of the Doctor the specific resolution he had in mind was "River Song's ghost did it". That so clearly screams "oh shit guys we're finally here and we have no idea how to get ourselves out of this corner"

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Basically. RTD kept things simple and didn't hint at much so the finale's could be their own things while still tying into the rest of the series. Moffat has been much more specific with his cryptic hints about actual events and places and big plot points. This is not intrinsically a worse approach. What makes it worse is that he is clearly dropping these things without actually having a coherent vision of what they tie into at the end. I've had this as a suspicion for a while but the S7 finale cinched it for me:

For all that I criticize Moffat I simply cannot believe that he is such a poor writer that back when he first dropped the prophetic lines about Trenzalore and being unable to not answer and the name of the Doctor the specific resolution he had in mind was "River Song's ghost did it". That so clearly screams "oh shit guys we're finally here and we have no idea how to get ourselves out of this corner"

This was the precise moment when my faith in the show direction crossed over the threshold in cynic territory.

Why the fuck does Dr Who, fundamentally a episodic sci/fi-adventure series need cryptic prophecies to be its central plot thread?

 

[Petrichor]

Speaking of Clara, just finished Series 7 and I'm a tad confused by something. So Clara jumps into the Doctor's timeline and thus goes through each one of his regenerations at some point in time and ultimately saves him from the Great Intelligence. Is there any explanation as to why he only remembered the version of her in the Asylum and in Victorian London?

If it was because in his existing timeline (before she jumps in) she hadn't actually had to mess with it yet, that doesn't explain why she was still there those two times before the Doctor was aware of her entering his timeline.

Plotholes abound in series 5,6 and 7 but this isn't one of them - according to what we saw at the beginning of the day of the doctor, hitherto asylum of the daleks the iterations of clara hadn't interacted with the doctor in any kind of meaningful way (he didn't see / acknowledge her in most of the footage) - with the only exception being the time lord clara that directs him towards his eventual TARDIS - considering how long the doctor's life is and how poor his memory seems to be at times (how long did it take him to remember what the great intelligence was at the end of the snowmen?) I don't think it stretches my credulity too much that he could have forgotten that one clara he met on gallifrey all that time ago.

This was the precise moment when my faith in the show direction crossed over the threshold in cynic territory.

Why the fuck does Dr Who, fundamentally a episodic sci/fi-adventure series need cryptic prophecies to be its central plot thread?

Ahem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlAK0cjDlqY


Even disregarding all the "your song is ending / he will knock four times" stuff - How many times were rose / donna told by various prophetic expedients that they were going to die in series 2 / 4 respectively?

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

This was the precise moment when my faith in the show direction crossed over the threshold in cynic territory.

Why the fuck does Dr Who, fundamentally a episodic sci/fi-adventure series need cryptic prophecies to be its central plot thread?

Well, worse still, cryptic prophecies without a satisfying conclusion.

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Ahem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlAK0cjDlqY


Even disregarding all the "your song is ending / he will knock four times" stuff - How many times were rose / donna told by various prophetic expedients that they were going to die in series 2 / 4 respectively?

The thing about "he will knock four times" is when it actually happened it actually happened, largely because it's introduction was non specific and it was actually resolved in a non-convoluted manner. The End of Time is a mixed bag but the specific scene with Wilf was really well done and unexpected in a satisfying way.

Contrast that to Trenzalore when we already know a much more specific account of what's gonna happen, we get a deus ex machina resolution to worm out of the stickier implications of it, and it proves to not really resolve all that much beyond being a plot element in an episode that had to happen before something else did.

 

[APZonerunner]

Ahem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlAK0cjDlqY


Even disregarding all the "your song is ending / he will knock four times" stuff - How many times were rose / donna told by various prophetic expedients that they were going to die in series 2 / 4 respectively?

In fairness, I feel like RTD delivered better on all his prophetic not-planned-ahead-at-all bullshit lines than Moffat has with any one of his. The Knock Four Times one was particularly great, I felt, as while I knew from THE MOMENT I saw that bloody glass chamber what was going to happen (I thought perhaps a stranger, though, not Wilf) it was a brilliant piece of subversion on it all being about The Master.

"One of them will die" was probably his most lame, but it also ended up being really satisfying in a weird way, as the Donna that we really knew and came to love did die, replaced by the awful vapid one from before she met him.

You're right in saying the prophetic lines have always been an element of new Who, but I'll agree the resolutions have been less satisfying and in a sense more complex than they needed to be (especially the explanation of Fall of the Eleventh, if it is indeed what some people claim it is in NOTD and not something that'll lead to the regeneration at Christmas.

That scene with the duelling prophets in The Fires of Pompeii is seared into my memory as being really awesome, with the jerked-up camera angles. "Doctor. She is returning. Daughter of London -- there is something on your back!" Really awesome music cue there, too.

Series 4 actually has as much going on in terms of layered stuff as a Moffat series - missing bees, missing planets, Donna's back, she's returning etc - it's just they're all resolved in very clear-cut ways.

 

[Laurentius]

Plotholes abound in series 5,6 and 7 but this isn't one of them - according to what we saw at the beginning of the day of the doctor, hitherto asylum of the daleks the iterations of clara hadn't interacted with the doctor in any kind of meaningful way (he didn't see / acknowledge her in most of the footage) - with the only exception being the time lord clara that directs him towards his eventual TARDIS - considering how long the doctor's life is and how poor his memory seems to be at times (how long did it take him to remember what the great intelligence was at the end of the snowmen?) I don't think it stretches my credulity too much that he could have forgotten that one clara he met on gallifrey all that time ago.

Thanks, that does actually make more sense. I still don't find it particularly satisfying, but I can buy that.

That scene with the duelling prophets in The Fires of Pompeii is seared into my memory as being really awesome, with the jerked-up camera angles. "Doctor. She is returning. Daughter of London -- there is something on your back!" Really awesome music cue there, too.

I have to agree, that scene was great. "Is that so...man from Gallifrey?"

 

[Petrichor]

In fairness, I feel like RTD delivered better on all his prophetic not-planned-ahead-at-all bullshit lines than Moffat has with any one of his. The Knock Four Times one was particularly great, I felt, as while I knew from THE MOMENT I saw that bloody glass chamber what was going to happen (I thought perhaps a stranger, though, not Wilf) it was a brilliant piece of subversion on it all being about The Master.

"One of them will die" was probably his most lame, but it also ended up being really satisfying in a weird way, as the Donna that we really knew and came to love did die, replaced by the awful vapid one from before she met him.

You're right in saying the prophetic lines have always been an element of new Who, but I'll agree the resolutions have been less satisfying and in a sense more complex than they needed to be (especially the explanation of Fall of the Eleventh, if it is indeed what some people claim it is in NOTD and not something that'll lead to the regeneration at Christmas.

That scene with the duelling prophets in The Fires of Pompeii is seared into my memory as being really awesome, with the jerked-up camera angles. "Doctor. She is returning. Daughter of London -- there is something on your back!" Really awesome music cue there, too.

Series 4 actually has as much going on in terms of layered stuff as a Moffat series - missing bees, missing planets, Donna's back, she's returning etc - it's just they're all resolved in very clear-cut ways.

I'm holding out hope (perhaps forlornly) that there'll be some degree of resolution in the christmas episode regarding ongoing plot threads - if all we're getting is the tenuous stuff in TNOTD then I agree, that's pretty shocking even by nuwho's standards - I just dont think that Russell's approach was any better. Even taking the example you used of the series 4 arc - the missing planets conceit made sense and was probably the most competently executed thread in series 4 - but the rest of it was maladroitly mishandled. The missing bees revelation was throwaway (and actually doesn't even make any sense), and the allusion to there being something on Donna's back (outside of turn left) was just as confusing.

Moffat's ability to weave together a compelling series-long narrative is yet to be determined, but at the very least the two doctors in the forest revelation wowed me in a way that RTD's basic arcs never did (save perhaps the initial bad wolf reveal in series 1)

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Moffat's ability to weave together a compelling series-long narrative is yet to be determined, but at the very least the two doctors in the forest revelation wowed me in a way that RTD's basic arcs never did (save perhaps the initial bad wolf reveal in series 1)

Taken in a vacuum Series 5 has the best ongoing series long narrative. It's only dragged down by the the elements of it that were left hanging (ie. how the fuck did the silence explode the tardis and are they still relevant to the whole NOTD/Trenzalore mess? If not then why were they involved in the first place?)

 

[Mindwipe]

I will be so, so, so glad when I don't have to keep my damned fool mouth shut about the missing episode thing.

 

[KibblesBits]

They did the same with Gwen in Torchwood, didn't they?

That was her direct descendant though with that situation.
If it's non Timelord they've usually made it a blood relation when something like that occurs.

 

[infiniteloop]

I will be so, so, so glad when I don't have to keep my damned fool mouth shut about the missing episode thing.

just tell us now, get it over with

 

[Worthintendo]

I will be so, so, so glad when I don't have to keep my damned fool mouth shut about the missing episode thing.

Go on.........

 

[Mindwipe]

Honestly, I don't know any answers. I know what people inside the BBC believed, but the situation seemed very unclear to them too.

Edit: Well, okay, I know some answers. But we'll just have to wait for tomorrow, as it seems the press conference is legit (there is also a press conference from the Director General tomorrow. It's not that one. Don't get them mixed up).

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

I will be so, so, so glad when I don't have to keep my damned fool mouth shut about the missing episode thing.

I've heard multiple people say this now. Guess it's actually a thing now.

In other news, I'm now friends with Dominic Glynn on Facebook. :3

For those of you who don't know, he made this

 

[Slowdive]

Press conference delayed until the end of the week apparently.

 

[peanutbutterlatte]

In 2061: BBC uncover lost trailer for Day of the Doctor in America.

 

[pulsemyne]

The sunday people say 106 episodes were found in Ethiopia.

 

[Forever]

The sunday people say 106 episodes were found in Ethiopia.

Isn't that all of them?

 

[infiniteloop]

Isn't that all of them?

Yes. even the most optimistic rumours have pegged it at about 90 being returned.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Yeah, it's pretty much impossible that Feast of Steven will be found given it was never offered outside the UK.

 

[APZonerunner]

Yeah, it's pretty much impossible that Feast of Steven will be found given it was never offered outside the UK.

Never say never, eh? All sorts of weird circumstances can add up.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Zonerunner, are you actually displaying legitimate optimism?

 

[APZonerunner]

The thing I lack optimism in is the BBC being able to get its shit together and do 14 episodes a year again, so this is quite different

Stranger things have happened...! I doubt they've found all of them, but wouldn't it be nice?!

 

[Future Foundation]

Well, now we know what Matt's doing after Who:

An actor gives up the lead role he has played for nearly four years and the next thing you know, he’s turned to murder. Matt Smith, who has traveled time and space on the science-fiction TV series “Doctor Who,” is putting down his sonic screwdriver and picking up some sharper, Earth-made implements to play the bloodthirsty Patrick Bateman in a London stage musical adaptation of “American Psycho,” its press representatives said on Monday.


The “American Psycho” musical, adapted from the controversial Bret Easton Ellis novel about a mentally unbalanced young professional, will be presented at Almeida Theater from Dec. 3 through Jan. 25. It features a score by Duncan Sheik, the Tony Award-winning composer of “Spring Awakening,” and a book by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, who has also written for “Glee” and contributed to the Broadway musical “Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark.” (Mr. Ellis’s novel was adapted as a 2000 film starring Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman.)

 

[infiniteloop]

the guardian is now saying Thursday:

BBC Worldwide, the corporation's commercial arm, will hold a press conference on Thursday when an announcement about the lost episodes is expected. The BBC declined to provide more details, athough it is understood it will make some of episodes available for fans to purchase.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/07/doctor-who-early-episodes-recovered-bbc

 

[Quick]

Well, now we know what Matt's doing after Who:

He also has How To Catch A Monster coming out next year, so his career could rise up further.

 

[mclem]

My fear is that there are maybe one or two episodes, which people might not be impressed by given the scale of some of the rumours. That said, GB has now closed down their missing episodes thread temporarily until the announcement; they are, at least, reasonably confident that something's on the way.

 

[Mindwipe]

the guardian is now saying Thursday:

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2013/oct/07/doctor-who-early-episodes-recovered-bbc

That makes more sense as virtually the entire UK TV industry and half the relevant journalists are at MIPCOM in Cannes until Wednesday (I haven't checked his Twitter but I'd be surprised if Moffat wasn't there for example).

 

[infiniteloop]

A number of early episodes of Doctor Who, which were believed to have been permanently lost, have been returned to the BBC.

BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press conference in London later this week.

It follows weeks of speculation that some lost episodes had been located

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24448063

 

[Exterminieren]

It's really happening.

Now the question is how extensive the find is. Could the omnirumour become a reality?

 

[infiniteloop]

Would they do a press conference if it was 1or 2 episodes? probably not.

It's got to be at least 3 or more complete stories.

 

[acheron_xl]

If the Beeb is saying it, I'll let myself believe it.

Awesome. I hope Power of the Daleks is back. I want to see that one something fierce.

 

[Box of Bunnies]

Yeah, I'm willing to get excited now. Now we play the waiting game.

 

[JonathanEx]

Can't believe they're still trying to hold this back now. Just announce it!

 

[Petrichor]

I hope the beeb doesn't think that this constitutes promotion for the 50th anniversary celebrations - this news is irrelevant for all but the hardest core of fans who can stomach the grizzy classic episodes and will do little to augment the pitiful level of public awareness concerning the 50th anniversary celebrations in november #savetheday.

 

[Exterminieren]

I hope the beeb doesn't think that this constitutes promotion for the 50th anniversary celebrations - this news is irrelevant for all but the hardest core of fans who can stomach the grizzy classic episodes and will do little to augment the pitiful level of public awareness concerning the 50th anniversary celebrations in november #savetheday.

The return of missing episodes is far, far more exciting that whatever Moffat can cook up. Trying to pretend they don't count is silly.

 

[V_Arnold]

Damn, this lost episode sheningan will buy BBC time to delay any kind of 50th trailer again, right?

The return of missing episodes is far, far more exciting that whatever Moffat can cook up. Trying to pretend they don't count is silly.

Silly or not, a 50th trailer is LONG overdue.

 

[odiin]

I hope the beeb doesn't think that this constitutes promotion for the 50th anniversary celebrations - this news is irrelevant for all but the hardest core of fans who can stomach the grizzy classic episodes and will do little to augment the pitiful level of public awareness concerning the 50th anniversary celebrations in november #savetheday.

Hartnell and Troughton >>> Tennant and Smith.

 

[Forever]

It's really happening.

Now the question is how extensive the find is. Could the omnirumour become a reality?

It would be pretty insane if they found all of them, and probably unprecedented in the history of lost footage.

 

[mclem]

Would they do a press conference if it was 1or 2 episodes? probably not.

I believe previously missing footage has been revealed at the BFI's annual "Missing: Believed Wiped" events; not a press conference, as such, but an event devoted to that, in amongst other things. I wonder how long the apparent announcement is scheduled to be, and if it'd include a showing.

 

[APZonerunner]

Gatiss tweeted excitement about this last night then deleted it. Gatiss loves Power of the Daleks...

 

[Exterminieren]

Damn, this lost episode sheningan will buy BBC time to delay any kind of 50th trailer again, right?

Ugh. The trailer will come closer to the time, as it bloody well should do.

Silly or not, a 50th trailer is LONG overdue.

We're a month and a half out. No, it isn't.

 

[gabbo]

Hartnell and Troughton >>> Tennant and Smith.

That's a hefty statement to just lob out there like that

 

[KibblesBits]

That's a hefty statement to just lob out there like that

Not really depending on what you use to qualify it.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

For example:

Being old and funny looking

Hartnell/Troughton >>>> Tennant/Smith

Being black & white

Hartnell/Troughton >>>> Tennant/Smith

 

[DrForester]

Sad to say I have not seen enough Troughton, but Hartnell is the reason I don't care much for Tennant. Tennant's to nice. He lacks the asshole quality The Doctor has.

 

[KibblesBits]

Old Cranky Not Putting Up with You BS Doctor is awesome.