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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Hot Coldman

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Exterminieren said:
Curtis is a busy, rich man. He doesn't need to write more Who; he wrote the first for his kids, IIRC. I wouldn't be surprised if it were a Russell T. Davies situation, where Moffat asks every series and gets turned down.

Gaiman's rumoured to have an episode in the pipeline for the second half of this series, though.
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Oh, yeah, he wrote War Horse. Huh. I guess we're lucky to have had him write a Who episode in the first place. Kinda a shame he had to go and write one so good. :lol

Honestly, I'd say that episode is easily one of the best things he's ever done. I mean, Love Actually is fun, I like Mr Bean a hell of a lot, but VatD is on some whole other level. It's below Blackadder, of course. :lol
 
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Shiny Llama

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Wait, Gaiman's writing another episode? I hope he encorporates some out-of-left-field classic who reference like in The Doctor's Wife (the mailcube the Doctor received hadn't been seen since War Games).
 
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gabbo

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Spiffy_1st said:
My expectations are so low after series 6.

Or maybe I'm getting older. :(
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I very much disliked how the second half of series 6 played out, but that's part of the reason I'm excited! Assuming it follows the same kind of story arc structure, Moffatt hasn't failed to bring it all together yet, he's just setting it up, and Amy's leaving (So is Rory however :'( ). It's all good until it falls apart I say.
 
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The Technomancer

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Rewatching Impossible Astronaut now. Godamn, I recognize that there's no way they could have lived up to the amazing setup presented here, but at the same time it deserved and could have had so much better then what it actually got.
 
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EleventhDoctor

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The_Technomancer said:
Rewatching Impossible Astronaut now. Godamn, I recognize that there's no way they could have lived up to the amazing setup presented here, but at the same time it deserved and could have had so much better then what it actually got.
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Tremendous episode. Like someone before said-it should have been like 5 episodes long to really explore that potential. Especially the plotline of them all splitting up after running into The Silence...
 
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The Technomancer

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MDavis360 said:
Tremendous episode. Like someone before said-it should have been like 5 episodes long to really explore that potential. Especially the plotline of them all splitting up after running into The Silence...
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Season 6 could have been so amazing! I absolutely love several of the ideas it tries to explore, the problem is that it tries and fails...
 
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Akahige

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Incendiary said:
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I disagree.
I don't particularly like the episode either but Georgia Moffett is bloody attractive.

In terms of favorite episodes of Doctor Who, if you remove the standard favorites (Blink, Midnight, Eleventh Hour, Doctor Dances, Silence in the Library, etc.) I'd say my favorite is Amy's Choice. Unless that's another standard favorite. But the depiction of the Dream Lord and how the entire episode plays out makes it one of my favorites.
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She's attractive but she put out the worst acting in Doctor Who yet.
 
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Alphahawk

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I'm kind of bummed that this season is also split into two parts. It may be neat for British viewers to get a yearlong dose of Who, but as an American 13 episodes is already way to short, splitting that in two just seems cruel.
 
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gabbo

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Mr. Sam said:
All the sex with David Tennant will have hopefully made her better. I'm not really sure what I'm implying.
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Oh
time
lord, :lol
Would still like to see her come back and confuse the hell out of fans who only know Matt Smith's run.
 
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ag-my001

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Speculation so wild and out there it requires no spoilers!

The Ponds will be leaving the Doctor again because he wants to keep them safe as he goes to battle the Silence. The Doctor tries to travel alone, but meets the new companion, revealed to be a friend of Susan, so he feels compelled to show her around a bit. At the end of Series 7, they will run into Jenny, forcing the Doctor to confront his past about being a father and grandfather, and what he's lost due to his own actions.
 
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godelsmetric said:
My problem with Season 6 was that it sacrificed too many episodes at the altar of the season arc.

There were five episodes out of 13 that were basically only about the season arc. That's too many, I think.
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The odd thing is that, even between those five or six episodes, there's almost no emotional continuity and integrity. Lots of life-altering, earth-shattering stuff is happening, Amy and Rory's only child is practically ripped from her uterus, stolen, tortured and conditioned to become a murderer, and they seem weirdly unpressed by most of it.
 
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Sotha Sil

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ghstwrld said:
The odd thing is that, even between those five or six episodes, there's almost no emotional continuity and integrity. Lots of life-altering, earth-shattering stuff is happening, Amy and Rory's only child is practically ripped from her uterus, stolen, tortured and conditioned to become a murderer, and they seem weirdly unpressed by most of it.
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Yeah, I have no problem with season arc-heavy episodes, but season 6 disappointed me for this very reason.
 
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The Technomancer

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ghstwrld said:
The odd thing is that, even between those five or six episodes, there's almost no emotional continuity and integrity. Lots of life-altering, earth-shattering stuff is happening, Amy and Rory's only child is practically ripped from her uterus, stolen, tortured and conditioned to become a murderer, and they seem weirdly unpressed by most of it.
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Yeah, series 6 felt like it got so caught up in its good ideas that it forgot you have to have good implementation as well. Its not enough to just think of something clever.
 
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Alphahawk

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To me Season 6 felt kind of like a mini-series that aired every few weeks, and in between we got a normal Doctor Who season.

Utterly bizarre.
 
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Eaten By A Grue

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I am currently on Season 4 - "Turn Left" and
Billie Piper
came back. Just curious, did something happen to her voice in real life? She does not sound at all like she did before and now has some speech impediment.
 
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Alphahawk

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One thing I really loved about her return was how much her character had developed. She turned from a mere companion to taking on almost a commander like persona. I really thought that suited her character well...
 
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The Technomancer

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Continuing my re-watch kick I'm on The Girl Who Waited and I still think that its an incredibly good episode except for the scene where Old Amy is introduced. The writing for her "I hate the Doctor" speech isn't quite up to par

And, like The God Complex I like how they try to subvert the worship Amy has for the Doctor but I don't think they run far enough with it as a theme, or else they introduce it too late in the season and then go right back on it again. Like the monumental River Song events there's little feeling of these things carrying over between episodes, which they really should if we're going to try for actual character development.
 
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Eaten By A Grue said:
I from the US. This show is the only time I have really seen her and I never really noticed in the first few seasons. It is crazy that dental work could do something like that.
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She mentioned in a interview how she had forgotten how to do roses accent and had to rewatch and relearn a cockney accent. She had also moved on to bigger higher class drama's and her normal speaking voice had become slightly "improved" from previous.

I'm not sure she had any work done at all, Rumours say she had veneers in at the time because she was getting her natural overbite "fixed" but I don't know how much to believe of that.

She did lose weight between the seasons its fairly obvious if you compare her before and after. This can have a big impact on how people speak.
 
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StalkerUKCG said:
She mentioned in a interview how she had forgotten how to do roses accent and had to rewatch and relearn a cockney accent. She had also moved on to bigger higher class drama's and her normal speaking voice had become slightly "improved" from previous.

I'm not sure she had any work done at all, Rumours say she had veneers in at the time because she was getting her natural overbite "fixed" but I don't know how much to believe of that.

She did lose weight between the seasons its fairly obvious if you compare her before and after. This can have a big impact on how people speak.
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Welcome stalker!
 
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gabbo

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ag-my001 said:
Speculation so wild and out there it requires no spoilers!

The Ponds will be leaving the Doctor again because he wants to keep them safe as he goes to battle the Silence. The Doctor tries to travel alone, but meets the new companion, revealed to be a friend of Susan, so he feels compelled to show her around a bit. At the end of Series 7, they will run into Jenny, forcing the Doctor to confront his past about being a father and grandfather, and what he's lost due to his own actions.
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Get this man/woman a job in the Doctor's writers room! If you kill River in your speculation I'll buy you a drink.

ghstwrld said:
The odd thing is that, even between those five or six episodes, there's almost no emotional continuity and integrity. Lots of life-altering, earth-shattering stuff is happening, Amy and Rory's only child is practically ripped from her uterus, stolen, tortured and conditioned to become a murderer, and they seem weirdly unpressed by most of it.
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I think I might be one of the few fans of NewWho that would prefer to see the show go back to being completely serialized or at the very least have serialized arcs completely separate from stand alone episodes (like OldWho would be occasionally). The way it is now deflates the arc or it gets tacked onto the end of standalone episodes with one of the Doctor's 'looks' to tell us he's not happy, and feels completely out of place.

I actually felt Amy handled the arc rather well when it was the focus, whereas River and the Doctor didn't seem to give a shit it was happening until a writer realized they had lose ends to tie up and the characters suddenly needed to care. Rory was a wild card depending on how confused or dead he happen to be in a given script.
 
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gabbo said:
Get this man/woman a job in the Doctor's writers room! If you kill River in your speculation I'll buy you a drink.
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Moffat has already taken care of that.

As for serialization, I don't know how it would hold up with hour-long episodes. Already we have a bunch of 2-part eps, some good, some bad. These are essentially the 4-part serials from oldWho. I think Moffat's pattern of "1st episode setup, middle episode, expansion, last 1 or 2 episode climax" is fine, but it broke down in Season 6 due to the break. There were essentially two series in there, and as people have noted, it overpowered the rest of the episodes. I don't see this as a problem with Series 7 due to the split casting. The episode that sees off the Ponds should fill the role of the middle 'expansion' episode. The second half of the series can take its time setting up the new companion and still finish strong with "The First Question".
 
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The_Technomancer said:
Continuing my re-watch kick I'm on The Girl Who Waited and I still think that its an incredibly good episode except for the scene where Old Amy is introduced. The writing for her "I hate the Doctor" speech isn't quite up to par

And, like The God Complex I like how they try to subvert the worship Amy has for the Doctor but I don't think they run far enough with it as a theme, or else they introduce it too late in the season and then go right back on it again. Like the monumental River Song events there's little feeling of these things carrying over between episodes, which they really should if we're going to try for actual character development.
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I'm left with the feeling that Moffat likes to leave a ton of space for future exploitation. Take the supposed 200 year gap, for example. I really have the sense that it's deliberately not explained so they have space for dozens and dozens of 11th Doctor Big Finish stories in the future.
 
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Vinci

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I don't dissect Doctor Who. I just watch and enjoy. It's one of those shows where I simply lose myself to its crazy universe. I have loved Smith and Tennant, Moffat and Davies. Each was quirky in their own ways. So yeah, my only concern at this point with the upcoming season is what I'll have to do in order to watch it legally in the U.S., since I don't have BBC America. Hmm.

Oh well. I'll figure that out.

Honestly, I enjoy watching this show too much to let myself get bogged down in hyper-analysis to the point that some portion of my enjoyment is stymied. I'll do that with other shows, but not this one.

People are, of course, free to approach the show however they like. Just sometimes get the feeling that people are talking themselves into disliking things and that would be a shame.
 
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Vinci said:
I don't dissect Doctor Who. I just watch and enjoy. It's one of those shows where I simply lose myself to its crazy universe. I have loved Smith and Tennant, Moffat and Davies. Each was quirky in their own ways. So yeah, my only concern at this point with the upcoming season is what I'll have to do in order to watch it legally in the U.S., since I don't have BBC America. Hmm.

Oh well. I'll figure that out.

Honestly, I enjoy watching this show too much to let myself get bogged down in hyper-analysis to the point that some portion of my enjoyment is stymied. I'll do that with other shows, but not this one.

People are, of course, free to approach the show however they like. Just sometimes get the feeling that people are talking themselves into disliking things and that would be a shame.
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iTunes usually has the most current episode up within a day or so. You can order a season pass (when they put it up on iTunes) and then the newest episode will download automatically when it is available.
 
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Vinci said:
Honestly, I enjoy watching this show too much to let myself get bogged down in hyper-analysis to the point that some portion of my enjoyment is stymied. I'll do that with other shows, but not this one.
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I get my enjoyment out of the initial viewing. Anything after that is fair game to be torn apart, to me anyway.
 
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I can't post a link from here but there is a 20 second teaser floating about for the opening episode now. Kinda agrees with where I thought the episode might be heading hah.
 
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EleventhDoctor

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Vinci said:
I don't dissect Doctor Who. I just watch and enjoy. It's one of those shows where I simply lose myself to its crazy universe. I have loved Smith and Tennant, Moffat and Davies. Each was quirky in their own ways. So yeah, my only concern at this point with the upcoming season is what I'll have to do in order to watch it legally in the U.S., since I don't have BBC America. Hmm.

Oh well. I'll figure that out.

Honestly, I enjoy watching this show too much to let myself get bogged down in hyper-analysis to the point that some portion of my enjoyment is stymied. I'll do that with other shows, but not this one.

People are, of course, free to approach the show however they like. Just sometimes get the feeling that people are talking themselves into disliking things and that would be a shame.
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Doctor Who is one treasure in life not to be taken for granted and isn't meant to be put under the microscope. Fun is it's primary focus.
 
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isny

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I'm really hoping McGann and Eccelstone come back for the special. I'd give up another year of Who just to have a full feature length special/movie featuring Eight-Eleven!
 
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StalkerUKCG

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Diablos54 said:
Interesting. I've been waiting for a excellent Dalek episode since the first one of Nu Who. VOTD was pretty good but I felt it was more of a set-up episode for the new paradigm than a pure Dalek story. Plus a Moffat written Dalek episode should be very nice.
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You talking just MS who? because virtually every dalek episode from the current doctor who run has been pretty awesome with the exception of Daleks in Manhattan 2 parter which was weak but the nerd in me still likes the human sec and stuff
 
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The Technomancer

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StalkerUKCG said:
You talking just MS who? because virtually every dalek episode from the current doctor who run has been pretty awesome with the exception of Daleks in Manhattan 2 parter which was weak but the nerd in me still likes the human sec and stuff
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Daleks in Manhattan had some really great moments brought down by the fact that overall it was pretty stupid.
 
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Diablos54

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The_Technomancer said:
Daleks in Manhattan had some really great moments brought down by the fact that overall it was pretty stupid.
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"I... AM A HUMAN DALEK!!" Is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in Who (Excluding Fear Her and that Peter Kay episode). The concept wasn't bad, but the execution was terrible IMO.

Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways was also great Dalek episodes, I forgot about them.
 
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