Tribes of Trusty
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I'm not a US resident but my humble opinion is that if Trump is elected, the next 4 years of foreign policy may look like a reactor meltdown on trainwreck.
Donald Trump officially the GOP nominee by delegates
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I meant the preceeding fuckery.
She has the distinct advantage of having actually known Trump for years.
That's on top of the fact that out of the two, she'll be the only one with a Get Out the Vote machine or any ground game of any significance, the only one with the most sophisticated campaign offices in each state, the one with the most intel and research, and the one with the most money.
Republicans are saying the opposite. Trump is locked in.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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Kind of gross rooting for a homophobic, misogynistic, and xenophobic asshat to win the election.
But, ya know, keep being blind to it.
RPGCrazied
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Also have to blame the media for Trump also. They hardly went after him, played his shit 24/7, have his insufferable shill supporters word vomiting on air without any pushback.
VendettaRed07
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One person said to me its authoritarian to say its racist to vote for Trump and he will not be tied down to the system
To be fair, playing his racist/sexist bullshit 24/7 is going after him. How the fuck were they to predict that suddenly people would apparently applaud all the stupidity he's been saying and it would bring him the nomination?
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Vilix
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Forget him and the horse he came in on.
False narrative? Clinton is garbage. Her political history has shown that. If it's the lesser of 2 evils, I get it. But don't act like she's some Saint that everyone should be happy to vote for. She's disgusted a lot of Americans and I don't see her getting a very high approval rating if she becomes president
Clockwork5
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I will say that Trump has accepted every invitation for interviews, knowing full well most outlets will rail him on his anti-women / anti-immigrant statements (which they have).
I would like to see Hillary accept a few difficult interviews.
Hari Seldon
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Trump maybe a terrible president, but god damn can he manipulate the media better than anyone I have ever seen.
SmackAttack
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But his plans, man! His plans! They're so good that they don't need to explain them at all.
Seriously, I remember asking one supporter in a thread why they supported him. They never responded in any way that made it clear.
BassForever
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So they're just like the guy they support?
Nah, the steady attacks against her for decades have shown that, not any sort of reality. Is she the best politician in history? No. Does she have some problems? Of course. Is she even in the same fucking ballpark as someone like Trump? No. She's not even on the same goddamned planet as someone like Trump. It's not even a lesser of 2 evils thing. You are legitimately not understanding this choice from top to bottom if you feel like posting or saying how they're both soooooo bad. They literally don't belong in the same conversation of how a politician can be "bad." She hasn't disgusted a lot of Americans. A concerted push by Republicans to tear her down for decades has made people disgusted with her.
Nonsense. Everyone who cares to hear has heard what Trump is. They just don't think the bad shit about him is bad. Even Fox News went in on Trump for a while.
Flying Toaster
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At this point it is honestly the Democratic parties election to loose.
I am not going to say Clinton has this in the bag. Doing that is what hands the opposition elections.
I am not going to say Clinton has this in the bag. Doing that is what hands the opposition elections.
I'd take Romney, assuming his VP choice wasn't some Tea Party nutjob. He's an establishment Republican 1%er, which is still a terrible thing, but he's a known quantity and we've lived just fine (more or less) through establishment Republican administrations before. On the other hand, Trump is a egomaniacal, bigoted loose cannon, and potentially a huge danger not just to us, but our allies as well.
I'm guessing this won't be an issue though. With double digit deficits among women and minority groups, he'll have to work really hard just to keep all of the standard Republican strongholds.
I think historians will look back on Trump as the first candidate that fully understood modern cable news networks and social media.
He is just playing at a much higher level than anyone else. The reason being, he has been in showbiz for a long time and understands how branding and television networks works from the inside.
For example Trump has said he is not going to announce a Vice President until the convention. Why? Because announcing at the last second will maximise the attention and coverage he will get during the convention where he will try to do a major rebrading of his image. Announcing his pick early would lower interest among casual voters.
In some respects Trumps reminds me a bit of Mussolini in his command of the media. Mussolini was a journalist and understood the new mass media of his day, like newspapers and radio much better than any of his contemporary rivals.
He used that knowledge to great effect in creating an image of "Il Duce".
JoeyJungle
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Very astute analysis of the current political climate here in 'Murrica.
teruterubozu
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And conservative radio too. It's more like people don't give a fuck about what the media says anymore.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Taking the bait, but maybe because he's not racist and people are tired of the accusations?
How is he openly racist, exactly? Wouldn't openly mean Trump calls himself a racist? If you mean to say he sounds like a racist, where exactly are you getting that from? That he didn't immediately denounce the KKK? He did denounce then by the way, but I guess not as quickly as you require to be authentic? So whenever anyone from this group that is hardly relevant in this age says something about him he needs to be immediately notified so he can publicly denounce it within your time frame? Get real. Or maybe you prefer the more popular argument I hear all the time about how he believes Mexicans are rapists and murders. This one is always inaccurately portrayed in the news and it's hard to take seriously. He's not referring to all Mexicans, he's referring to a subset of the illegal immigrants. Not all Mexicans, not all illegals, just some of the illegals. And guess what? Since he's said that there have been illegals that have raped or murdered US citizens so I guess he was right. He's not against immigration either, just illegal immigration. It's called illegal for a reason.
Flying Toaster
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This is true. But it is a mixed bag of social media, a non informed out of touch public and Mass Media/Journalism trying to be more like social media that has created a huge animal that no one gives any crap about.
Sad state of affairs really.
Havoc2049
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Here is a little insider info for you. Most Republicans don't believe Donald Trump is racist. Most Republicans think he wants to enforce the immigration laws of the United States and protect the nation from terrorism. They think all the racist/sexist shouts from the left is just a bunch of hardcore leftist trying to spin a false narrative.
You're about to get Gang Up™, stay calm and just remember they can't take away your vote, but if you proceed you may run the risk of getting mad, then getting banned. LeftGAF is relentless.
I'm disgusted by her. A lot of people of color are. She has blood on her hands, and is a flip flopper that carries hot sauce in her purse.
She's better for the military industrial complex and is heavily lobbied. I have to swallow this one, and see that it's the unfortunate best route for the nation, compared to trump. Not so good for the innocents that she will be responsible for killing. But Obama has that same problem. Hopefully after the dust settles americans will be in a better position mentally to see that our system needs an overhaul. And that a new version of bernie will garner more support.
Shes a snake. Trumps a scorpion. And bernie is a stuffed unicorn.
I want to vote bernie, and I'm in cali so electoral college and that. But if a vote for Clinton meant trump doesn't get in, I'd do it for sure. But I know how full of shit she is. Total shit.
Clockwork5
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They don't.
She has a very high chance of winning this, but it's not a shoe in yet. The good thing is the more dumb things trump says and the more offensive he gets the higher the chance she has of winning this. I don't think she will get over 400 electoral votes in this election,but she may end up getting close to their or above it depending on how bad of a campaign trump runs.
the-pi-guy
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Last time, god picked this guy. Twice.
Which isn't even that bad.
Bush may have been not that great, but he was at the very least a nice guy.
Trump seems like the kind of guy who wants to use nuclear weapons just to prove a point.
Trump thinks more countries should have nuclear weapons.
"Look, nuclear should be off the table, but would there a time when it could be used? Possibly," Trump said.
It'll be good once things hit the convention.
Of course they haven't been explicitly racist. He's no fool. But he doesn't reduce racist commentary and fears of his supporters hr enables a fertile ground for racism while having an out. If your supporters are yelling go home nigger after one sucker punched a black man at your rally. It's easy to see how those who have lifelong experience with racism view his platform. You don't need to look for technicalities to absolve him. When he endorses violence against protest and says he will cover legal fees.
JeTmAn81
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Well like I said I'm a Never Drumpfer so obviously I'm aware of how many things about him there are to despise. I just don't like kneejerk labeling of racism.
I really don't think it was bait. It was a fact. It is obvious from the other side of the Atlantic.
The way he spoke about Mexicans, Muslims, women is hideous and horrible and shouldn't be expected only to be heard from a candidate for anything, especially for a presidential candidate.
You shouldn't be expected to win a vote for a court jester with rhetoric like that. It is appaling that this racist clown can win a double digit support, and here we are afraid he might be voted for by a majority of Americans.
Americans who, it seems, try to explain and dispell his racism so that they can feel better about their own racist tendencies.
And support someone whose stance on transgender bathroom use is:
KIMMEL: You believe that transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want to, which is contrary to what a lot of people, most people in your party believe. Why do you think people are focused on that?
TRUMP: What really I'm saying is and I think it's pretty simple let the states decide. And, you know, we have to protect everybody. It's a very, very small group. Right now, it's a very small group. Perhaps it's getting larger.
KIMMEL: But would you say, though, if you were voting personally, a member in New York state, that you would vote for that right?
TRUMP: Well, the party generally believes that whatever you're born, that's the bathroom you use.
KIMMEL: But what about you?
TRUMP: Me? I say let the states decide.
KIMMEL: Do you personally support it? I think you do.
TRUMP: No. What I support is let the states decide. And I think the states will do hopefully the right thing.
KIMMEL: And what's the right thing?
TRUMP: I don't know yet. I mean, I don't know. Honestly, I don't know.
DontBeThatGuy
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Trump being a racist isn't new, and he is King of The Birthers after-all.
To their dismay.
Yeah. We can definitely talk about how the media failed to persuade people and why, but there's no doubt that there was a ton of volume of negative media about Trump.
The thing that moves Trump from "legitimate concern" to "racist" for me is the ignorance he displays. He straight up doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time. Statements like "Mexico isn't sending their best, they're sending rapists" -- or whatever the quote was -- are nonsense. Mexico isn't "sending" anything. He comes out with these policy "ideas" like "Muslims can't enter the country" which just completely ignore American Muslims overseas and even overseas in armed services uniforms. It's one thing to have a thoughtful conservative stance on immigration, what Trump does is something else.
IrishNinja
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cool, he's not winning it
wish we could take bets on here from some of ya'll chicken littles
yeezus would be the real movement
wish we could take bets on here from some of ya'll chicken littles
yeezus would be the real movement
teruterubozu
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There's plenty of betting sites where you can wager on the election. Put your money where your mouth is!
Absolutely pathetic.
Right? Even wanting to ban Muslims from the country gets you called a racist these days.
Right? Even wanting to ban Muslims from the country gets you called a racist these days.
I feel like you need to do your research before defending a person who suggested muslims should be monitored/banned from the country.
And if you don't have a dog in the fight, you need to review your position on what you consider kneejerk positions.
Trump calls Mexico not our friend and calls immigrants rapists - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6QEqoYgQxw
Trump double down[s/B] on calling mexican immigrants rapists - http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/0...didate-donald-trump-immigration-intv-erin.cnn
trump inciting violence at black protesters during his event - here's a whole montage: http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...nn/video/playlists/protests-at-trump-rallies/
Basing an entire group of people with little research or facts (he never gave any numbers or statistics) purely based because they are immigrant and Mexicans (he later retreaded adding more) thats. fucking. racist.
Support Trump. It is your right as an american to do so but do not tell me he is not a racist. He is. And you are supporting a racist, so what does that make you?
SneakersSO
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Agreed. I'll never vote for her. Don't get me wrong, I won't vote for Trump either, but she isn't getting the vote. The cyborg guy in the coffin bus is.
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