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[kmfdmpig]

Wow back for more with a slightly edited message. You don't give up so you. Cool story tho especially the bit about the Predator (with a capital P) feed on TV in real time. And the V-22 inside info that isn't all over YouTube is cute as well.

I see the defense has significantly switched now to trump (or anyone, even you!) not knowing how "significant" this raid was going to be. Perhaps the suggestion is now that in that case one could assume that going off to watch what the media was saying about him would naturally be more optimal use of his time.
I feel this is a losing argument since if one doesn't know whether the raid is gonna be insignificant or major, perhaps the best gamble especially as one really could use a military victory, and photo ops, is NOT to act as though it's gonna be a fiddler

Anyway I am sure Trump bravely did his duty of using the remote and working out how Tweet "drafts" really work. Because everything we know of the man says public service, selflessness, deliberation and empathy. So we should listen to your conclusion that it was all S.O.P, esp. given your evaluation of the type of aircraft in use, and all that.

You're lashing out at those who are anti-Trump in your zeal.

The V-22's problems in dust are widely documented and I never claimed that it was insider information. There were major protests in Japan about the Marines in Okinawa using them, for example. Do a search for V-22 dust and you'll see many articles about this issue. It's widely known. How exactly does that discredit my point?
The situation room feeds are sometimes referred to as "Predator porn". Predator is a proper noun, so I capitalized it. I'm not sure why you find that a problem, but that's your issue, not mine. Again, it's not insider information. Sorry for including data in my posts.

This is not a defense of Trump so much as it's a reminder that it doesn't rank on the list of issues that we should be worried about with Trump's disastrous presidency. Why do you continue to think that I'm praising Trump?

Also, do you really want Trump in the room during these types of missions?
President Obama showed leadership and respect to those who served whereas Trump claims to know better than they do. Think about that in the context of this quote:

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/the-bin-laden-situation-room-revisited-one-year-later/

Admiral Mike Mullen – Chairman of the Joint Chiefs:
Mullen told Bergen his biggest concern "was that someone at the White House would reach in and start micromanaging the mission. It is potentially the great disadvantage about technology that we have these days," he said. "And I was going to put my body in the way of trying to stop that. Obviously, there was one person I couldn't stop doing that, and that was the president."

 

[TheRagnCajun]

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I'm pretty sure Trump more than anyone should have understood the significance of this operation. The fact that it went so poorly and he wasn't there in the situation room is reason enough to blame and criticize him. I don't see why he needs the benefit of the doubt. I don't see why he needs defending.

Secondly let's not forget how much blame Hillary took for Benghazi and how poorly understood her role in that incident was. Why should we pass this off as bad timing or an honest mistake any president could make? Did we offer the same perspective on Hillary? Did we ever ask ourselves what trump might have done in her situation?

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

It's crazy as that's just one more of the 50+ things that Trump did which would have torpedoed any other candidacy. I still remember when John Edwards cheating on his sick wife was thought to be so beyond the pale that people were angry that he put himself in the primary race. Compared with Trump that seems like such a minor thing.

The pussy grabbing video made no difference, think about that

 

[PanicFreak]

 

[Tajaz2426]

As a newly elected POTUS, someone that is in combat would want their Commander-in-Chief to see their first operation through. However, I have had plenty of orders come down through the SECDEF to bomb slaughter houses, meetings places, training camps, etc., without POTUS approval.

We are to busy down on our end to notice if someone is watching, which happens less than 1% of the time. In the Marine Corps our orders come through and we pass it down to the lowest level, being Corporals, to carry out the mission.

I think it is a slap in the face that he was not in attendance or his first call, sending people into an area where anything can happen and no one knows where a round is going to go, who it is going to hit.

I am personally offended and I believe most of my Marines would have felt the same way. However, this is just my opinion and in the end carries no weight.

 

[DangerMouse]

It's crazy as that's just one more of the 50+ things that Trump did which would have torpedoed any other candidacy. I still remember when John Edwards cheating on his sick wife was thought to be so beyond the pale that people were angry that he put himself in the primary race. Compared with Trump that seems like such a minor thing.

This.

 

[Wolfe]

Also it's really fucking amazing that in a thread about what is clearly Trump's fuck-up, that people still start shitting about Hillary and the primaries.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[jellies_two]

You're lashing out at those who are anti-Trump in your zeal.
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Whoops missed your reply so I wasn't THAT interested in "lashing out" however I think you are entirely wrong quarterbacking the whole thing into a "don't be so hard on him" scenario.

And I suspect history will confirm this.

But I can't be bothered to talk about the details of a V-22 technical capabilities and try to wrap my head around hypotheticals that put him in a better light.

The attack, as it now turns out, was aiming to kill like the 2nd AQ guy in Yemen. It was his first operation. The evidence that he made a mistake is piling up and the evidence that it was standard operating procedure for POTUS not to be there, is extremely thin. But if you want to believe that, go right ahead. Meanwhile the guy they were aiming to kill is taunting them.