You realize it wasn't just white people who voted for him right? We've gone over this before. Plus racist comments like this even against whites don't help or fly very well.
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Donald Trump wasn't even in Situation Room for 'botched' Yemen raid.
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ExplodingKetchup
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No, but you'd think he would want to see how his first military operation went live. Instead, he tweeted about the NY times.
You'd think that a new POTUS would be eager to be involved in the first operation of his tenure. As the President it's sort of...his job to preside over things.
But he's got more important things to worry about, like his Twitter.
You're a dick for saying that . Become the person you hate by blaming whole generalisations of ppl (rust belt and white for example) . I don't like being associated with intolerant fucks from the right . And if the left provides me the same ill do the same . I dislike intolerance ignorance and generalisations from either side .
The Dutch Slayer
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This should be the "Benghazi" of Trump but noooo now all of sudden no one care.............. grrrrrr 
Yes, he's correctly blaming the voters who voted in this government.
Neither Hillary, nor Trump, Jill, or any fictional name written in a ballot, forced these voters to cast their vote the way they did. Legal age people capable of giving consent casted these votes with their own handwriting and by their own will.
Continuing to blame Hillary is nothing more than a convenient scapegoat to continue ignoring the numerous institutions of oppression that America is built upon and continues to propagate. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of sociology and civil rights was already screaming about these dangers long before November 08, 2016.
Hey guys, the election is over. Bernie didn't run, Hillary didn't win, and every single thing to be said on the subject has been said. Three times. At least.
So quit turning every thread into an argument about Bernie, Hillary, and the DNC or we'll start handing out bans. We've warned in multiple threads. We're tired of seeing every thread turn into the same fight over a thing that's already done. It's time to move on, or at least take it elsewhere.
So quit turning every thread into an argument about Bernie, Hillary, and the DNC or we'll start handing out bans. We've warned in multiple threads. We're tired of seeing every thread turn into the same fight over a thing that's already done. It's time to move on, or at least take it elsewhere.
Thank fucking god.
Yeah, no. A fucking trash bin with no campaign at all should have won against Donald Trump in a working democracy. He is un-fucking-electable and he didn't hide that fact during his campaign one bit.
The real alt-facts right here.
Going on strike in the military means court marshal.
did he engage in politics before ? im gonna guess no... i have no idea why anyone could have voted for him
hillary might not have been the best candidate but at least she had experience
It's more a combination of the fact that Trump himself constantly complained about absentee leadership from Hillary and Obama, and then... He doesn't even show up for his first raid. And it being his first raid as President makes it kinda bad that he didn't show up.
This'll be buried in a week, like it should be, but if this had happened to Dems... Well it'd be Benghazi.
Sickboy007
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Nobody talked about it on the media, what a disgrace.
donkey show
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He wasn't even in the room where it happens, the room where it happens, the room where it happens.
A lot of republicans and military leadership would be hesistant to support that though if Trump's neglicence keeps causing military deaths.
Was it his first, or just the first to go pear shaped? I would imagine the Seals are doing multiple ops daily that we don't hear about.
Maybe it was initially viewed as fairly routine by the General?
I'm playing devils advocate here I know.
Deaths would have to be in the hundreds or thousands for republicans to care.
It was leaked as the actual first.
Republicans don't give two shites about human life unless it's family.
Meus Renaissance
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Pretty clear before the election that Trump wasn't interested in the day-to-day responsibilities. He wants to manage people who are making the decisions.
Sidewinder
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Well then nobody can blame him, because he wasn't there! So smart!
old manatee
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"Hey get the Navy Seals on the line I want to ask if they saw me in Home Alone 2. Let me tell you Macaulay Culkin was a huge prima donna. He wouldn't move his trailer so I had it towed. The whole crew was on my side. They're big fans."
SporeCrawler
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He had to finish finding dory
He's just being emotional, allow him to cool off.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
"If I was there things would have worked out differently, believe me."
Ardenyal
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Shooting children is a routine operation now.
Don't give people ideas, going to spread like wildfire.
jellies_two
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It's just gonna keep going.
Should have gone for the cookie, America.
Is it true that the White House didn't report about the civilian deaths during the raid at first until news started coming up about it?
Yes
In fact if trump ever plugs the leaks I guarantee you will only hear about what the Germans heard from the day they started losing, to the very end when a mythical secret weapon was going to turn he tide: you will only hear of glorious victories, silence or when it is too difficult to hide, gallant and brilliant strategic redeployments. And I am only talking trade here, of course military will follow suit.
The advantage being that nowadays the enemy also has easy media access. Groups like ISIS will not hesistate a second to spread their military victories.
jellies_two
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Oh don't worrry
Walls will be built, virtual ones. Trump knows china has the best wall both in rock and bits and is jealous. If you think he will sit back while the enemy tweets videos you have another think coming he will build a virtual wall based on the Chinese model and demand the tech companies do not allow tweet immigration because that's just enemy propaganda and why should his internet carry enemy propaganda for free.
That's a bad bad deal, the worst, this weak internet grew massively under obama and no oversight, Shame, and we are going to change it folks. You better believe it.
Careful, you'll be accused of being a Trump supporter or apologist for making that point. That's the joy of GAF now. You can't make a point about the significance of one issue without overzealous posters assuming that you're somehow a Trump fan/voter/MAGA drone.
Yes, special forces conduct a ton of raids each year (over a thousand), but it's true that this one is larger than most. After the fact it's fairly easy to say that this one was significant in terms of the SEAL being killed, many civilians being killed, and a young child being killed, but I don't think any of us know how significant it was expected to be ahead of time. It's also not clear how often presidents sit in the situation room. We know that President Obama and Secretary Clinton were there (along with many others) during the Bin Laden raid, but it doesn't sound like the military personnel really want that anyway:
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/01/the-bin-laden-situation-room-revisited-one-year-later/
I personally suspect that if it was meant to be incredibly important then they wouldn't have used V-22s as those are not really ideal for landing in the desert (they don't handle dust all that well and have had several notable crashes because of it). In the Bin Laden raid, for example, they used special helicopters that were completely classified, which is quite different from using widely known ones that are prone to issues.
The question of whether this mission was approved without due consideration and legal due diligence is important. Whether or not Trump sat in the room to watch a Predator feed of the raid on TV in real time seems to me to be a side show.
I'm sure with this post I'll again be accused of being pro-Trump by someone more focused on politics than discussion. Once again, to try to preempt the zealots I hate Trump and hate so many things that he has done since 1/20.
Bush would have been there. Small or large, didn't matter to him.
Because the GOP is such a shitshow they had no choice than to go with the loudest and most obnoxious asshole at the country club. Sadly America is full of uneducated, naive, and racist clowns that care more about the brand than reality. They will blindly vote against their own interests and beg to be continually dragged through the mud because voting Republican means no gays, no foreigners, and all the guns. Nothing else matters. The job issue is honestly less concerning than that trifecta of inhumane nonsense despite it being such a talking point.
Fiscal conservatives meanwhile just mostly hate big government spending but also completely fail to view the big picture. Why am I paying for all these roads to be fixed in a state I never visit? Why do I have to pay for my own healthcare AND that of the lower class?? Fuck that, those dems trying to save the world rather than burn it can suck my Republican vote!
But really, half this nation is either lazy or so ambivalent and uninformed that they didn't even vote or take a few minutes to consider their future or that of their children.
Just my guess really, it's near impossible for me to understand how anyone benefits from the Republican Party. I haven't heard a single rationale argument that doesn't resort to taxes, guns, or racism. Never a counter solution either, just blaming and whining. Much like a 5yr old as you stated.
Bruce Springsteen
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I still fully believe he is upset with all the responsibility he has as president, I think Pence and Bannon will be doing most of the legwork for him
Remember when Kasich said that he had been offered the VP role and that if he took the role he'd be in charge of both foreign and domestic policy?
It was fairly widely reported, but I don't remember it ever being refuted. I wonder who is calling the shots in that case, but assume it would be Bannon. Trump still does his damage with his disastrous personal "diplomacy" which will turn the US into damn near a pariah state by the time his term ends.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-election-2016/
Bruce Springsteen
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Yes, I remember this. Satire has become reality, because I remember laughing when reading this
jellies_two
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Wow back for more with a slightly edited message. You don't give up so you. Cool story tho especially the bit about the Predator (with a capital P) feed on TV in real time. And the V-22 inside info that isn't all over YouTube is cute as well.
I see the defense has significantly switched now to trump (or anyone, even you!) not knowing how "significant" this raid was going to be. Perhaps the suggestion is going off to watch what the media was saying about him would naturally be more optimal use of his time?
I feel this is a losing argument since if one doesn't know whether the raid is gonna be insignificant or major, perhaps the best gamble especially as one really could use a military victory, and photo ops, is NOT to act as though it's gonna be a tiddler
Anyway I am sure Trump bravely did his duty of using the remote and working out how Tweet "drafts" really work. Because everything we know of the man says public service, selflessness, deliberation and empathy. So we should listen to your conclusion that it was all S.O.P, esp. given your evaluation of the type of aircraft in use, and all that.
It's crazy as that's just one more of the 50+ things that Trump did which would have torpedoed any other candidacy. I still remember when John Edwards cheating on his sick wife was thought to be so beyond the pale that people were angry that he put himself in the primary race. Compared with Trump that seems like such a minor thing.
Shake Appeal
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What about Benghazi, tho..
jellies_two
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I have no earthly clue how obama managed 8 years without even one of the PR catastrophes of the scale trumpster managed so far. Does trump wish he had taken that wiki of tips and the offered handover sessions, instead of disk zeroing it? Hell no he doesn't.
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