Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
I thought EPD Tokyo would be bigger by now. It's kind of strange that Nintendo keeps so much development in Kyoto; I guess Tokyo is too expensive?
Donkey Kong Bananza Took 7~8 Years To Develop - Started Immediately After Mario Odyssey (2017)
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
nani?
you are acting like this is conspiracy theory or some fantasy.... Chill bro.
it just a corporate initiative.
nial
Member
They're headquartered there, that's why. Tokyo isn't particularly expensive and is the home of high profile development companies like Sega Corporation, Bandai Namco Entertainment Inc., Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc., Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd. and Square Enix Co., Ltd.
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MSduderino
Member
Explain yourself. No one else in the thread seems to think this is silly.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
I understand that a lot of studios are based in Tokyo. That's why I thought Nintendo would be interested in expanding in Tokyo attract more top talent who might not want to go to Kyoto for work.
nial
Member
Now your quote has my pre-edit comment, damn. I forgot that Capcom and KTG weren't based in Tokyo.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
You guys literally turning in to same type of people you despise the most.
nani?
you are acting like this is conspiracy theory or some fantasy.... Chill bro.
it just a corporate initiative.
The difference is Woke people call every little thing "problematic" while anti-woke call every little thing "woke"….both side equally obnoxious and annoying as fuck.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Oh, you're right, I took the data from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_products#Nintendo_Switch
And leaving out unreleased games and Labo packs it's around 1 release/month by the time Switch 2 released... Now tell me which publisher has this cadence of releases.
Nintendo can take all the time they want with specific games because they have enough of them to release at any moment basically.
nial
Member
It's not every month and most definitely not 1.3/1.5 per month. Nintendo is good quantity wise, but no need for the dumb hyperbole, there are several publishers with a similar amount of published content each year. Bandai Namco Entertainment beats them most of the time, for example.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
...What does that have to do with the issue at hand?....what you are focusing is what I call: Eating shit on purpose; you are choosing to eat from the cesspool. What I'm taking here is the actual aspects of these initiatives. So (as I said originally) I wonder about their impacts. You act all triggered and shit. But DEI initiatives can be, for example, childcare support or a more flexible/"harmonious" work-life balance; stuff like that. In case of game development, hiring quotas to make things "more diverse"...disrupt/slowdown game dev?...
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Most of long development has nothing to with DEI or whatever the fuck new world is….mostly about time budget man power and more importantly trying to get their idea game mechanics working on a full game.
What I'm taking here is the actual aspects of these initiatives. So (as I said originally) I wonder about their impacts. You act all triggered and shit. But DEI initiatives can be, for example, childcare support or a more flexible/"harmonious" work-life balance; stuff like that. In case of game development, hiring quotas to make things "more diverse"...disrupt/slowdown game dev?...
Like I said in my original post not everything is about woke or DEI bullshit.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
the fuck is 'inclusive coding' ?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
...See what I'm saying?Hiring quotas are a thing, for your information yes, even at Nintendo japan. But whatever. I'm just wondering of the potential impact in game development cycles and even budgets.
Virtually all companies (especially big ones) have DEI initiatives
ChorizoPicozo
Member
# Problematic or outdated naming
def master_enemy_attack(slave_character):
if slave_character.is_blacklisted:
return "No action"
return "Master throws a barrel at the slave!"
What's wrong here:
- master/slave is harmful and unnecessary.
- blacklisted reinforces negative racial connotations.
- slave_character implies a power hierarchy that doesn't fit the game.
- The variable names are not descriptive or respectful.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
# Problematic or outdated naming
def master_enemy_attack(slave_character):
if slave_character.is_blacklisted:
return "No action"
return "Master throws a barrel at the slave!"
What's wrong here:
- master/slave is harmful and unnecessary.
- blacklisted reinforces negative racial connotations.
- slave_character implies a power hierarchy that doesn't fit the game.
- The variable names are not descriptive or respectful.
I, too, like to create imaginary scenarios of perceived problems in my head all the time.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
lughnasadh123
Member
I want to see who here will bend over backwards to say that this is okay, while at the same time a week ago, you will have seen them say that it's not okay when western companies do it.
You know the drill. The hand-waving alone will create a blizzard.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
This is a Tokyo studio though. That happens in Kyoto because it's the same building. I don't think it applies here honestly.
sainraja
Member
Perhaps what took long isn't the "actual" development. The design of the game, it's systems, how it plays, etc all factor into the overall timeline.
Work began on Donkey Kong Bananza immediately after Mario Odyssey was completed
In a recent interview it has been revealed that work began on Donkey Kong Bananza immediately after the competition of the acclaimed Super Mario Odyssey. Once development of the last mainline 3D Mario…mynintendonews.com
Interesting point to note and to add to the discussions where some folks say how streamlined and relatively quick Nintendo development is compared to other most other AAA projects, turns out it isn't that different after-all.
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sainraja
Member
What a company outputs has to show "why" otherwise yeah, people will say "it's not okay" and people can say what they want.I want to see who here will bend over backwards to say that this is okay, while at the same time a week ago, you will have seen them say that it's not okay when western companies do it.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Also trying make destruction mechanics work on original Switch. Just like how Team ICO trying make Last Guardian work on PS3 but it was too much for the system.
Edit: also one of the biggest challenge in destruction mechanics is not the tech but rather making game a fun around destruction.
This is something even Kojima struggled with MGR, with that game they show off the tech which you could cut anything but he and his team struggled making proper game around it.
Which they end up giving it to Platinum Games and they tone down cutting mechanic significant amount.
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DKB was announced in April and is releasing in July.I want to see who here will bend over backwards to say that this is okay, while at the same time a week ago, you will have seen them say that it's not okay when western companies do it.
Perfect Dark and Everwild were announced in 2019 I think, and got cancelled in 2025. Is that what you're talking about?
MSduderino
Member
So bowsers fury was released by same team? That came out since odyssey and everyone acting like 8 year development? The fuck outta here!
blacktout
Member
You're right that it's not 1.3 or 1.5/month, but if you're talking about Nintendo-published games that received physical releases, then the average for the Switch's lifetime is either slightly over or slightly under one game per month.
I counted earlier using a more conservative criteria (only counting Pokemon games once instead of counting both versions, not counting regional publishing deals like Octopath Traveler, etc.) and I believe I ended up with 96 games in 99 months.
Katajx
Member
I don't know, but I also don't think game development is so linear and that they just churn them out like an assembly line.
I'm sure it took them some time to figure out what they wanted to do and get it approved. I don't think it's realistic to think they immediately started up on this.
Look at Retro and Prime 4 for example.
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They prob started prototyping things after Odyssey. The end level in Odyssey where you smash could have given them the idea. It could have also started as a Mario game, and moved to be DK later on. Plus, at the same time they were thinking of the next Mario and created Bowser's Fury.
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L*][*N*K
Member
Well we can also look at Sakurai and Kirby Air Riders he got it approved and begun pre-Production while he was finishing the final characters, so it is never an easy thing to guess, as far as I know the creative team behind Tears of the Kingdom moved to a new Zelda project while a huge team remained and polished the game for a year before launch, one of the things that takes a huge chunk of development time is basically figuring out what the next game is going to be like and I am sure they had to grey box and try many things before they begun full production on DK as well
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Seems about right to me. The city was called New Donk City and the signs are all DK names from DKC and later so they were dropping hints that it wasn't just a reference to the original arcade but something they were doing. I have forever longed for a 3D DK from a flagship Nintendo team and it is finally here! The direct made it look absolutely amazing and that one part where they show the levels going deeper to the planet core made it seem like there is a LOT of those fairly large levels.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Bro.... It's okay if this game was in pre and full production for 7 years. It happens. Helldivers 2 took like 7-8 years to make if you count pre-production.
There's no reason to make Nintendo devs exempt from the realities of game making.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Cant wait for my shipping confirmation. Got a free weekend this week and cant wait to jump in.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Every fucking thread. The same people attacking. What is going on?
Interesting. Now let's look at the text of the policy:
nani?
you are acting like this is conspiracy theory or some fantasy.... Chill bro.
it just a corporate initiative.
"At Nintendo, we respect human rights and hire talent, regardless of race, ethnicity, nationality, ideology, religion, creed, origin, social status, class, occupation, sex, age, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity or marital status."
Employees: Working to build an environment where each and every employee can realize their potential. | CSR Information | Nintendo Co., Ltd.
This page introduces a variety of initiatives for creating an environment where each and every employee can take advantage of their strengths and realize their maximum potential.
www.nintendo.co.jp
CashPrizes
Member
You think the core Mario team just sat around for 3 or 4 years doing nothing? That is what you are implying.
Worst case scenario is 8 years development time.
Best case scenario, some of them worked on Bowser's Fury before they all got onboard DKBannanza, and the game has been finished for 2 years while they wait for the Switch 2 to release. Even then it is like a 5-6 year development time.
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