I'm somewhat on blackout but game looks good to me
The armchair quarterbacking on this thread. Good Lord, it's just mind-numbing
What about them?
Interesting experiment, but I think it's way too positive, even with including all the remasters. I will count myself later.
You're jumping the gun here, the game was primarily built into NS2 hardware once they switched development from NS1, it's not exactly a finished NS1 project to its core that they were sitting on until the NS2 launch.
EPD Tokyo is a large team that is always working on more than one game at once. There is no reality in which the next 3D Mario isn't far along in development and planned for release in the next 1-2 years. Bowser's Fury was a small game, which launched 4 1/2 years ago, and who knows the headcount of how many people of the Tokyo team worked on Bananza at it's peak, but likely it has not materially delayed a new Mario game. This isn't Nintendo's first day, there's no way we're waiting 12 years in between 3D Mario games. I'm quite sure it's just being kept secret until the next wave of Mario news. They especially want to give DK it's time in the sun to sell as much as possible. A lot of people would hold off on DK if they knew a sequel to Odyssey was coming out in 2026. Nintendo wants to give it's big games time to breathe, and not cannibalize each other.
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My point is we have no idea when they switched to S2 development and what else they've been working on during the last 8 years. Obviously, Bowser's Fury and the new 3d mario coming in next year or so. The 8 years of claimed development for DKB is just the time between SM Odyssey and DKBn releases.
It makes sense, though I will say that you shouldn't count Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors for the same reasons as Mario + Rabbids, the games are pure IP licensing deals with no full-on EPD involvement, something you can easily notice from the fact that Shinya Takahashi is not credited as 'general producer' like in pretty much every first-party game. Sure, even the Pokémon stuff is mainly published by TPC, but they are at least produced by EPD as well (not for every case, though, like Pokkén Tournament). There are other titles that didn't have full-on EPD involvement either, like Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and DC Super Hero Girls (lol), but they at least had Nintendo as the only publisher worldwide.Here's the list I used:
List of Nintendo games
A complete list of Nintendo published video games: Color TV-Game 6 - 1977 Color TV-Game 15 - 1978 Color TV-Racing 112 - 1978 Color TV-Block Kuzushi - 1979 Computer TV Game - 1980 Ball - 1980 Flagman - 1980 Vermin - 1980 Fire - 1980 Judge - 1980 Manhole - 1981 Helmet - 1981 Lion - 1981 Parachute...
Here are the rough rules that I followed:
- I only counted games that I felt confident had a physical release.
- I counted remakes, remasters, deluxe editions, et al., as long as I was sure they got a physical release.
- I didn't count games that I felt primarily belonged to another developer/publisher, but that Nintendo published outside of Japan (Octopath Traveler, Dragon Quest XI S, etc.), but I did count games that seem to be Nintendo-owned IP but happened to be published by their developer in Japan for reasons that I'm too uninformed to fully understand (the Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors games, Fitness Boxing). I did not count the Mario + Rabbids games. (If you want to quibble with my methodology, I admit that international publishing is where my count is most debatable.)
- Each Pokemon generation was counted as a one game, not two. Likewise, I counted both of the Famicom Detective Club remakes as a single game, because I believe they were only released physically as a double pack with both games on the same cartridge. I counted each Labo kit as a separate, discrete game, because that's how they were sold and because there's no content overlap between kits. It's not like Pokemon where they're basically the same game with some mild alterations.
- I didn't count any Switch 2 exclusive games or any games that haven't been released yet. (So no Mario Kart World, Metroid Prime 4, or Legends Z-A.)
I just recounted and got 96 again.
Obviously you can quibble with my criteria, but I don't think my count is particularly inflated. If you wanted to be more generous, you could potentially add a dozen or so titles to this list, but I wanted to stick to'thave games that I thought most people would count as distinct Nintendo releases.
I think that, for cases like these, as long as Shinya Takahashi isn't credited, they don't count. I think Nintendo also treated stuff like Octopath Traveler and DQIXS (in regions where they published them) as first-party games, that's just the nature of publishing.
Imagineer owns the IP and published the games in Japan, and no EPD involvement either.
There really is a problem with AAA mega video games studios that take that much time and ressource to do a game...its not normal, are the big studios that much ''bloated'' ??
This is an important point. Director hired in 2020, so 3 years after the game started development? Obviously, time is money but Nintendo's approach to game dev is cost efficient, if time consuming. Unlike Rockstar, Nintendo has a ton of different projects in the works and many different teams contributing to them. Some are acting like 8 years in development is too long because it's too costly while others seem to think the game isn't impressive enough to have warranted 8 years in dev. Well, it likely costs less than you think and other teams been helping the Bananza team and the Bananza team helping on other projects. There's just so much going on with nintendo development we don't know.
Why? What makes you think so?
My point was they released Tropical Freeze in 2014.
There is some new information in this interview:
They had a cancelled game in that period.
I think that, as long as we have no true idea on how they've been operating all this time, it's hard to dismiss the usual observations on Bananza releasing close to 8 years after Odyssey. You can't just tell people to accept the idea that a new 3D Mario must be coming in the next one or two years.
Noting Takahashi's involvement is important as he's the head of EPD, and every first-party Nintendo game is a EPD project. Of course, there are some exceptions out there like Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 as already stated, but when those examples also have Nintendo as the only publisher worldwide, it kind of doesn't matter.
This.
Takahashi oversees all software development, so his name on credits doesn't mean anything, really, beyond that the game in some form or fashion was at least partially created, or at least supervised, by Nintendo EPD Kyoto or Tokyo.
Which suggests that it does mean something? I'm not following here.
You're missing part of the timeline. Prime 4 wasn't moved over to Retro until January 2019, when Nintendo management cancelled the version of Prime 4 that was in development at Namco Bandai Singapore. Prime Remastered was heavily outsourced, as well as being a good Metroid re-training game for Retro to relearn how to make Metroid. But nothing there was done on Prime 4 until January 2019. As was mentioned before, whatever they were doing from 2014-2019 was clearly canceled.
I get that, which is why I said development isn't linear, and why I said you can't say they immediately started developing bananza after they completed Odyssey.
Super cool, I never knew they did these. Thanks for posting this!There is some new information in this interview:
Nintendo confirm the game moved to the Switch 2 in 2021, and you can see a screenshot of the same environment in the two versions. So it looks like the basics of the game already existed, and then when the Switch 2 arrived they could start building levels to the size and scope they really wanted.
This is super cool, I love developers diaries like this…..Platinum Games used to do this as well.
Tokyo was created specifically to make 3D Mario games. And Koizumi was chosen to head it up. It's not meant to/ never going to be near the size of the central development office in Kyoto. Although I'm sure by now Tokyo is much larger than it even was in 2017, and surely are working on more than one game at a time. Nintendo is actually building an even bigger, brand new central development office in Kyoto very close to the current building, with the goal of having even more software development strength. It's supposed to be finished by 2027.
Phill just cancelled that though.
