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DOTA 2 BETA 2 |OT10| Reborn
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balladofwindfishes
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All is right in the world I suppose.
It felt weird not having Navi at an International.
It felt weird not having Navi at an International.
Shuggananas
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SilentRacoon
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2 games recently just vanished, "can't find requested server" and kicks me straight into the main menu.
Both were already late into the game and we were winning both of them, what makes me angry is that this shit never happens to me when im the one losing the game.
Both were already late into the game and we were winning both of them, what makes me angry is that this shit never happens to me when im the one losing the game.
hey guys just posting this one more time before I format hero icons in
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1j3ap7iqbt3d1q/DOPA.pdf?dl=0
Any feedback would be really appreciated, I don't want to format 100 heroes in only to find I put sniper to high up.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1j3ap7iqbt3d1q/DOPA.pdf?dl=0
Any feedback would be really appreciated, I don't want to format 100 heroes in only to find I put sniper to high up.
CarbonatedFalcon
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WHEN COMPENDIUM PREDICTIONS UPDATED?
Need dem sweet points.
Need dem sweet points.
imo:
- CM and Sniper don't belong in T1. T2 seems fine for both
- WL and KotL should be T1 and not T3
- Treant, Ogre and Gyro go to T1 from T2 (edit: I forgot to add bloodcyka to this shortlist)
- SF and Bat should be T4
my initial impressions from skimming the file.
gj btw.
shira
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whats WL?
The Lock of War
Gentle Rodriguez
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KotL has like 5 spells if you activate his ultimate and several of them are hard to use if you're new, plus he's as fragile as they get. You need to have good map awareness as Treant.
I think CM and Sniper are fine at T1, definitely beginner heroes.
I would argue that Witch Doctor could be T1 because he is a pretty straight forward hero and does not have a real chance to hurt the team. His ult is dependent on positioning like CM and she is in T1.
I think CM at 1 is fine because in terms of supports she is probably the easiest to understand and is not a bungler.
I think the reasoning for Sniper being T1 was because he is the tutorial hero. He is also real easy and the only thing that makes him a hard hero to play is positioning but that is something that most heroes have to deal with.
KotL is good at his position because he can really hurt your carry if he spams his blast and pushes the wave. That requires the player to understand creep equilibrium and is something that most new people will not understand.
I think CM at 1 is fine because in terms of supports she is probably the easiest to understand and is not a bungler.
I think the reasoning for Sniper being T1 was because he is the tutorial hero. He is also real easy and the only thing that makes him a hard hero to play is positioning but that is something that most heroes have to deal with.
KotL is good at his position because he can really hurt your carry if he spams his blast and pushes the wave. That requires the player to understand creep equilibrium and is something that most new people will not understand.
Also all of this.
SilentRacoon
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- Io isn't that hard to learn IMO should be tier 3, to be successful he doesn't really have to focus on much other than the hero he is supporting, and awareness to know when to attack or retreat.
-Sniper too squishy players need to learn positioning and proper item build, otherwise they end up dying most of the game. Put him on Tier 2
-Crystal Maiden same as above.
-Zeus should be at least 1 tier above, most of the time he requires mobility and positioning items (force staff and blink)
-QoP should be tier 2, easy nukes, easy ulti to pull off and has an escape ability.
This is really cool btw.
Nah, he requires really fast reaction to pull off his combo, and also micro management so you don't end up feeding your golems, tier 2 is fine for him.
My reasoning behind sending CM to T2 is that she is super squishy and requires a lot of awareness to take advantage of her skills. Also her skill build is never set in stone and requires that the player has some knowledge in order to get the best skill for any given situation.
Sniper as well. He is super squishy so you'll want to know how to position yourself, otherwise you will be a useless, dead, carry. He is however a 1 dimensional hero so I can understand why you may think of him as a beginner friendly carry.
You are both right about KotL, so disregard my initial comments about him.
Sniper as well. He is super squishy so you'll want to know how to position yourself, otherwise you will be a useless, dead, carry. He is however a 1 dimensional hero so I can understand why you may think of him as a beginner friendly carry.
You are both right about KotL, so disregard my initial comments about him.
No idea what WL is. Edit: Oh warlock. Warlock is not easy, his slow alone puts him a tier up. CM is a great beginner hero, mainly because she has everything a support needs and you don't have to have a new player worry about mana. Sniper is literally the tutorial hero. As for KotL and Treant
Pretty much this.
Everyone told me that Timbersaw is definitely a 3, and if timber is a 3 so is Batrider. They require the same depth of knowledge, good insight for initiation timing and require farm for their full potential. SF is a 2k mid if I ever saw one.
I do not know of this "Linda" but I'm sure she is a stunning lassLinda is Tier 1 waifu
Thanks a lot
QoP is definitely not tier 2. She requires teamwork and ganking and has a massive cooldown skillshot.
I can see the Zeus one, just remember this is about entry skill level, not mastering. You can still win with a Zeus who has no mobility who is a relatively new player.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Oh but it will.
Can you link me to the artist's page? Want to check out more of their stuff.
Dreams-Visions
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Dear poster, you are beautiful. Whatever is going on in your life right now, please know that you matter and your story is important. You are loved (◕‿◕✿
It's almost time, boys. I look forward to seeing the improved performance of our old source games and what it will mean for VR.
Speaking of, how about I *just* found out after like 90 Kunkka matches that you can actually end X-Marks whenever you want to by pressing the button again. Is that a new feature or was it always triggerable early? I used to miss lots of combos because I couldn't time the torrent quite right. And I've seen quite a few veterans of the game miss torrents in IHL matches (who shall remain nameless) seemingly for the same reason. Now I can't imagine I'll ever miss it. Tell me this is a new feature and I'm not just stupid.
Dear poster, you are beautiful. Whatever is going on in your life right now, please know that you matter and your story is important. You are loved (◕‿◕✿It's almost time, boys. I look forward to seeing the improved performance of our old source games and what it will mean for VR.
will this mean Zeus redesign now??? volvo pls
Speaking of, how about I *just* found out after like 90 Kunkka matches that you can actually end X-Marks whenever you want to by pressing the button again. Is that a new feature or was it always triggerable early? I used to miss lots of combos because I couldn't time the torrent quite right. And I've seen quite a few veterans of the game miss torrents in IHL matches (who shall remain nameless) seemingly for the same reason. Now I can't imagine I'll ever miss it. Tell me this is a new feature and I'm not just stupid.
NormalFish
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Back in Beta, boys
d-v... girl...................................................
Well it was around when i started playing in 2013, so not a new feature
A Sentient Keyboard
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I think pugna definitely deserves the 'bungler' tag; decrepify has big potential to screw up your team (slowing, disarming and amplifying magical damage on your allies, and/or making your enemy immune to rightclicks).
EDIT: also, why does tidehunter have the 'skillshot' label? If it's for anchor smash, shouldn't heroes like centaur, slardar and axe also get that label?
And finally, this part of the description of the 'farm intensive' label might be a little extreme. "The heroes in this category require you to have farming down 100% and absolutely need items to be effective.!" If I had read that as a beginner, I definitely would have stayed away from those heroes for way longer than necessary.
Does that mean new heroes again?Back in Beta, boys
Dreams-Visions
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well shit. then why do people miss torrent x combos at all, ever? I've been playing Kunkka the hard way. rip
Technosteve
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Old man dendi brings a tear to my eye with his plays. Man that game felt like classic navi.
Thank you so much for this feed back. I tried very hard with the descriptions to be positive and friendly as possible to not scare off new players, I will rectify this.
I only gave Tidehunter skillshot cause you can wiff his ultimate. Sheever comes to mind. I'll remove it though. And definitely add bungler to Pugna.
When I first played AA, I didn't know you had to send the second ball of ice out
Screw immortals, source 2
call_kotaku
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Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Does that mean we get to go back to the main gaming forum. Beta threads okay there!
Dreams-Visions
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I thought it only worked on friendly targets, but I never tested it.
Nope, it works on enemies AND allies. I was watching a support Kunkka game recently and wondering why it seemed like X was ending early for torrent. I never even noticed the button changes when X marks is active and could be cast again to end early. I guess I was always too busy trying to time torrents and boats to realize it. not many abilities in Dota2 have the mechanics X-marks has. Maybe just AA?
Gentle Rodriguez
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Bane's Nightmare End and Rubick's Telekinesis Drop come to mind.
poppedcollar69
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well the 2nd activation used to cost mana which is hard to come by in the 1st 10 mins of the game
when everyone in your team completes a compendium challenge
elitro had the game, i was AFK after 2 minutes
Rubick can't drop a target early, he can only pick where he wants them to drop.
CarbonatedFalcon
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When did they patch Rubick cliffing back in? Or something? Maybe I just used a cliff they didn't fix.
And I really need to not support in ranked. Recipe for disaster.
And I really need to not support in ranked. Recipe for disaster.
It's okay, most people don't know how Kunkka works.
I just want the Torrent delay to be changed to 1 second so I can stack at 00:58 reliably. You used to be able to stack by facing away from a camp and aiming for 00:57 precisely so that turn rate + cast time + delay = perfect stack. But now that froggu removed the facing requirement, timing it has become much more strict. I believe it's somewhere between 00:57:10 and 00:57:40.
I just want the Torrent delay to be changed to 1 second so I can stack at 00:58 reliably. You used to be able to stack by facing away from a camp and aiming for 00:57 precisely so that turn rate + cast time + delay = perfect stack. But now that froggu removed the facing requirement, timing it has become much more strict. I believe it's somewhere between 00:57:10 and 00:57:40.
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