What's wrong with Deso on SF specifically?
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What's wrong with Deso on SF specifically?
Fuck Dota.
All of these games lost for various reasons, no real single reason all of them were lost. Some me, some teammates, some a combination of both.
I love how it goes from Very High to Normal skill in the last game. Dota is practically begging you to win a game.
The last one was partied with lower MMR friends.
you already have enough +damage from necromastery, sny is a much superior item for similar cost. Your sf build is severely lacking in attack speed (which is a very big loss of damage lets be honest im sure you can do the math here)
Your blink game isnt fantastic enough to warrant purchasing it first.
You're buying BoTs way too early, like for gods sake you have upgraded BoTs with an aquila still in your inventory.
Go bottle->treads->aquila->sny->go from there
SnY is still the godtier item of mid-game agi heroes.
Your blink game isnt fantastic enough to warrant purchasing it first.
You're buying BoTs way too early, like for gods sake you have upgraded BoTs with an aquila still in your inventory.
Go bottle->treads->aquila->sny->go from there
SnY is still the godtier item of mid-game agi heroes.
The BoTs cases where where the enemy team snowballed out of control and I had to go into rat mode to try to bring us back into the game. It has worked before, and actually came close to working in a couple of those.
What exactly do you mean by the bolded?
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I bought that right at near the end and that certainly wasn't a normal situation.
Are you saying Blink is bad now? Don't you need some kind of mobility item on SF though? I mean obviously the Refresher and that kind of stuff is silly in that video, but I can see why you should get Blink and stats.
the refresher was good for the game, but thats beside the point.
The only reason yaphets can get away with blink like that is b/c he was so good at blink raze that he actually had the hero named after him.
sny gives you movement speed, survivability, and lets u scale much better than a blink would. There are circumstances where blink first could be rationalized, but it was none of these games.
The only reason yaphets can get away with blink like that is b/c he was so good at blink raze that he actually had the hero named after him.
sny gives you movement speed, survivability, and lets u scale much better than a blink would. There are circumstances where blink first could be rationalized, but it was none of these games.
How are you supposed to get in position for an ideal ult then? I have a hard time seeing the movement speed from SnY being enough for that.
ok honestly its my birthday today and im going to bed cuz i gotta get up early to visit family so I'll make it short.
The true strength of Requiem is that no one that gets hit by it can fight for 5 seconds because of that debuff. The damage output of the ultimate is fantastic too, but with meta changes its no longer about blink eulsing heroes for a one shot like it used to be.
I mean really I think im a better authority on SF here and thats not even tooting my own horn I've been tryharding on that hero cuz I think he's ownage right now.
Just take my advice you'll end up being better off trust me.
The true strength of Requiem is that no one that gets hit by it can fight for 5 seconds because of that debuff. The damage output of the ultimate is fantastic too, but with meta changes its no longer about blink eulsing heroes for a one shot like it used to be.
I mean really I think im a better authority on SF here and thats not even tooting my own horn I've been tryharding on that hero cuz I think he's ownage right now.
Just take my advice you'll end up being better off trust me.
I see, that makes more sense.
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The hero still sucks and can be easily shut down. I'd rather not take that risk.
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He's good at two things: Bullying lanes and solo killing. Ghost Scepter nullifies anything after Life Break. Then you kill him with physical/pure damage. He's always been a pubstomp hero and still is to this day.
I think you should really give the hero another shot.
Physical damage is really the only way to kill him most games, but that hardly counters him, especially when you itemize him correctly. You're looking at upwards of 25+ armor around 20-25 minutes. Heroes like PA can hardly touch you. And he can pretty easily fight against 3 or 4 heroes without fear.
If you're safe lane, you're almost guaranteed to win your lane unless you're trilaned against. He farms very, very quickly once you get armlet. He's not a one-trick pony or a gimmick; the only hero you shouldn't pick him against is AA. Ghost Scepter doesn't really affect Huskar. If you ghost scepter early, you get life broken for half your health. Late, and you're slowed, plus Huskar is in the middle of the fight and can target someone else anyway.
He's a strong, snowballing, tanky carry that fucks up pretty much every popular hero in the meta right now (Leshrac, Gyro, Undying, Storm, etc). Try him out for a few games.
Physical damage is really the only way to kill him most games, but that hardly counters him, especially when you itemize him correctly. You're looking at upwards of 25+ armor around 20-25 minutes. Heroes like PA can hardly touch you. And he can pretty easily fight against 3 or 4 heroes without fear.
If you're safe lane, you're almost guaranteed to win your lane unless you're trilaned against. He farms very, very quickly once you get armlet. He's not a one-trick pony or a gimmick; the only hero you shouldn't pick him against is AA. Ghost Scepter doesn't really affect Huskar. If you ghost scepter early, you get life broken for half your health. Late, and you're slowed, plus Huskar is in the middle of the fight and can target someone else anyway.
He's a strong, snowballing, tanky carry that fucks up pretty much every popular hero in the meta right now (Leshrac, Gyro, Undying, Storm, etc). Try him out for a few games.
NormalFish
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I have remembered how to win with slark. Oddly, Even though it feels like he got major buffs for itemization that patch, I'm more inclined to just build him super late game from the get go with a midas. Seems to be working for me.
Honestly in pubs any hero that's good at "bullying lanes" is probably a pretty safe bet for getting the W as long as you know what you're doing.
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By the way Milk, what're your thoughts on Clinkz itemization this patch. With the deso change do you think aquila over medallion is better (particularly in the safelane)? Seems like the minus armor just isn't as good when you get a deso so damn quick anyhow. Additionally, do you build him for picks (orchid) or just go lategame items (daed/mkb/etc.)?
Honestly in pubs any hero that's good at "bullying lanes" is probably a pretty safe bet for getting the W as long as you know what you're doing.
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By the way Milk, what're your thoughts on Clinkz itemization this patch. With the deso change do you think aquila over medallion is better (particularly in the safelane)? Seems like the minus armor just isn't as good when you get a deso so damn quick anyhow. Additionally, do you build him for picks (orchid) or just go lategame items (daed/mkb/etc.)?
Generally speaking, if teams aren't counterpicking Husk, they'll have a rough time of it. It's easy to think "oh well, they'll just pick Lina/QoP/PA/Ursa to shut down Husk and then i'm done for" but rarely is this the case.
Which is why if I ever see a Husk pick I gravitate to Tusk (aghs rush) and QoP (also aghs rush).
Which is why if I ever see a Husk pick I gravitate to Tusk (aghs rush) and QoP (also aghs rush).
Me neither, it just doesn't work for me.
It's cool, I hate Huskar, and all the troll heroes in this shitty ass game.
Glass Shark
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After playing Phoenix several times for my 10 Hero Challenge, I really like the way she plays, but it seems like a very situational pick.
NormalFish
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Soul ring for emergency mana? seems like a big investment for something situational. How do you use it?
I like bottle. Early orchid feels like a waste on this patch, though, with deso being so insanely easy to farm and usually being higher dps.
If you are confident in your armlet toggle skills Hylian, he's definitely worth trying out
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Yeah I'm really not confident with my armlet toggle skills, which is why I skip armlet if I ever do play Huskar.
I've never really been a fan of armlet ever since they made it where the Strength goes up and down slowly rather than instantly like it used to be.
NormalFish
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So you prefer that to bottle? I find with aquila/medallion + Bottle + deso I have minimal issues with mana and on paper that seems like it'd be a bit more reliable and versatile than Soul Ring.
That said, I fucking hate buying soul ring so that's my bias.
I prefer it in the side lane yeah. If I'm mid then I'll get a bottle fo sho
"Yeah I'm really not confident with my armlet toggle skills, which is why I skip armlet if I ever do play Huskar."
Huskar is not Huskar without armlet. Armlet transforms Huskar from a shit hero who farms slowly into a freaking god.
"Yeah I'm really not confident with my armlet toggle skills, which is why I skip armlet if I ever do play Huskar."
Huskar is not Huskar without armlet. Armlet transforms Huskar from a shit hero who farms slowly into a freaking god.
There's nothing slow about the strength gain when you toggle, it's just not instant like it was before.
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Huskar and Krob are my last two heroes for round 2 hero challenge.
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NormalFish
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Alright, so then one other thing to pick your brain on.
MKB/Daedelus. Clinkz seems like a natural MKB carrier but I'm pretty sure last time I checked your dota buff you always prefered daedelus. Is there a reason why outside of just wanting raw damage output? the proc on MKB has always seemed crazy strong to me (build it as core on weaver and clinkz) but I feel like this has fallen out of-- or perhaps was never in-- favour
This is my feelings on it pretty much 100%. I don't understand soul ring usage well enough to build it on a squishy hero like Clinkz who generally wants to be a *bit* too close to the enemy carries to be sacrificing his health.I take bottle even in the sidelane. Playing clinkz mid is lol.
Really, I'm just not comfortable with soul ring. I like to play yolo and soul ring is no bueno for that. Full health is bueno for yolo and bottle gives me full health like my bottle gives me full health right now you know what I mean?
It is definitely slow and makes a huge difference than it did before.
I take bottle even in the sidelane. Playing clinkz mid is lol.
Really, I'm just not comfortable with soul ring. I like to play yolo and soul ring is no bueno for that. Full health is bueno for yolo and bottle gives me full health like my bottle gives me full health right now you know what I mean?
Really, I'm just not comfortable with soul ring. I like to play yolo and soul ring is no bueno for that. Full health is bueno for yolo and bottle gives me full health like my bottle gives me full health right now you know what I mean?
NormalFish
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Alright, that's fair. I'll have to try Crit again. It's been a while since I built that item on clinkz iirc. Thanks!
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