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[Glass Shark]

I experienced a shocking moment in a game last night. I randomed and got Phantom Assassin. I decided to keep since she's pretty easy to play, but I don't play carries often so I'm pretty bad at knowing when to farm and how to do it efficiently. So I typed in all chat "sorry, this is tough for me since I don't normally carry"

Instead of flaming me or attacking, a dude on mic said, "hey don't worry, just play it safe and I'll coach you a bit"

is this even dota anymore

 

[twobear]

The Dota community is entirely responsible for my late-found love in certain types of pop and electronic music.

I used to be one of those annoying "if it ain't rock, it ain't music" people.

Not anymore, and thank goodness.

listen to susanne sundfor - ten love songs

 

[SilentRacoon]

Here, get on with one of the greatest mix tapes out there

https://soundcloud.com/novacthek/nicolas-jaar-dinner-chez

 

[Kade]

I listen to everything but rap and country

 

[Hylian7]

Florence + The Machine, you're welcome.

 

[J2d]

So since I've only been doing unranked this patch I told myself I'd play support a lot more so I can improve and get a better understanding of how they play. Plus there's abunch of supports I've noteven played a game with yet...

Still picking carries like 95% of the time :/ I'm fuckin up.

I just pick Necro most of the time, "support? nah I carry" shit goes bad I sit there thinking the real carries fucked up, in my noob mind I can't lose and won't get the same amount of shit if I fail to last hit etc like a pro.

Instead of flaming me or attacking, a dude on mic said, "hey don't worry, just play it safe and I'll coach you a bit"

is this even dota anymore

I had a team mate telling someone to stop bashing me cause everyone is a beginner at some point, I have 1500hours played, I wasn't even mad or ashamed, more relieved.

 

[Hylian7]

I just pick Necro most of the time, "support? nah I carry" shit goes bad I sit there thinking the real carries fucked up, in my noob mind I can't lose and won't get the same amount of shit if I fail to last hit etc like a pro.

There are people that still think Necro is a support?

 

[J2d]

There are people that still think Necro is a support?

When I play? all the time, buy wards necro, get donkey necro, hell I just roll with it sometimes..

 

[manfestival]

the dota 2 thread title is so lacking it hurts my face

 

[ViviOggi]

 

[Hylian7]

I was going to post this exactly.

I think this needs to be in the new OP, followed by an explanation.

I'm curious where the support perception comes from though. Is it just "heal = support" to people or what? I mean I guess that one does make sense, as I've seen people say Enchantress is a support (she's not).

 

[Monochromaticx]

the dota 2 thread title is so lacking it hurts my face

yeah..we need one



I cant come up with a good title suggestion

 

[Hylian7]

yeah..we need one



I cant come up with a good title suggestion

Dota 2 |OT10| :EEFacepalm:

 

[Acinixys]

the dota 2 thread title is so lacking it hurts my face

DOTA 2 |OT10| Where the fuck are my hats Valve?/5k and under banned from posting about balance!/Is Hylian 4K yet?

I was going to post this exactly.

I think this needs to be in the new OP, followed by an explanation.

I'm curious where the support perception comes from though. Is it just "heal = support" to people or what? I mean I guess that one does make sense, as I've seen people say Enchantress is a support (she's not).

Its from when every hero had those stupid CARRY/INITIATOR/JINGLER/SUPPORT tags on their portrait

Necro was put as support. So people played him like that

 

[Hylian7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hn3WUD_Mv8

I know Lumi doesn't exactly get a lot of love around here, but what do you guys think of this build? It makes sense, but only because of the shit state Huskar is in right now, and has been for patch after patch. He can bully a lane and then he's just not very good after that. At the same time, I dunno, it just feels wrong to run Veil and Dagon on Huskar, someone who's supposed to be a right clicker.

 

[Schweinehund]

Got a full 3 win predictor charm (no losses) but no coin payout. Guess it's because the servers are lagging right now?

 

[Glass Shark]

I know Lumi doesn't exactly get a lot of love around here, but what do you guys think of this build?

This just seems goofy, but I'm all for any build that doesn't use Armlet. I suck at toggling.

 

[Hylian7]

This just seems goofy, but I'm all for any build that doesn't use Armlet. I suck at toggling.

I did Treads, HotD, Silver Edge, and Aghs the other day and felt pretty good about it, but it was a very stompy game, so that may not be the best metric for it.

 

[SteveWinwood]

guys the title is pure dont sully it

 

[inkls]

guys the title is pure dont sully it

We want commitment Steve, not cop-outs.

edit:

Bro you should thank me for asking recommendations

Thanks for taking the drow set btw. I really wanted to get rid of out without having to delete it.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

I remember browsing when Purity Ring and Mirana and the Diamonds were recommended.

Both are great

Bro you should thank me for asking recommendations

 

[kionedrik]

I was going to post this exactly.

I think this needs to be in the new OP, followed by an explanation.

I'm curious where the support perception comes from though. Is it just "heal = support" to people or what? I mean I guess that one does make sense, as I've seen people say Enchantress is a support (she's not).

Well, she's a #4 so technically she's a support, a greedy one but a support nonetheless. Like Enigma or Chen.

Can't necro be both? Like a support Naga or PotM that is able to ssemi-carry late game.

 

[Acinixys]

Well, she's a #4 so technically she's a support, a greedy one but a support nonetheless. Like Enigma or Chen.

Can't necro be both? Like a support Naga or PotM that is able to ssemi-carry late game.

I say no

He needs a shit load of farm, because items make him able to do real work

Necro with a mek and a force is a piece of shit
Necro with Aghs + Heart + Refresher + Sheep is a beast that will win you the game after one fight

 

[Wok]

This is the guy who taught me how to play PA.

Maybe this time I will know how to play TB.

http://jjcm.org/blog/how_to_play_tb/

 

[Monochromaticx]

Well, she's a #4 so technically she's a support, a greedy one but a support nonetheless. Like Enigma or Chen.

Can't necro be both? Like a support Naga or PotM that is able to ssemi-carry late game.

nceo is not a support.

I would even consider enigma and chen ench special cases so they shouldn't be even compared.
A support is a hero who can have an impact with minimum items and levels. naga has the ensnare and potm has arrow. effective from level 1. Necro doesn't really have anything and needs levels and items.



Besides, how many supports have a HEAL?
Lion is a carry because he doesn't have a heal. #flawlesslogic

 

[ksan]

alliance losing against trash, sad

drafts losses are real in 6.84

 

[W1SSY]

I love listening to them cast this lag.
Line stunning so that no one will blink in.

 

[Hylian7]

Well, she's a #4 so technically she's a support, a greedy one but a support nonetheless. Like Enigma or Chen.

Can't necro be both? Like a support Naga or PotM that is able to ssemi-carry late game.

I would consider more of a core in general, jungling core that has ganking capability, but I think she's more of a 3. Impetus is so good for damage, ESPECIALLY with Aghs and now that it goes through BKB at all times.

I'm just gonna leave this here again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zmTT_b3eks

Spoiler

Upheaval is legit and set that whole thing up.

 

[G.ZZZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hn3WUD_Mv8

I know Lumi doesn't exactly get a lot of love around here, but what do you guys think of this build? It makes sense, but only because of the shit state Huskar is in right now, and has been for patch after patch. He can bully a lane and then he's just not very good after that. At the same time, I dunno, it just feels wrong to run Veil and Dagon on Huskar, someone who's supposed to be a right clicker.

Considering it's intended as a parody video (of slasher), it ain't even the worst hsit since veil has actually some decent sinergy with the hero (armor, hp regen, damage amp for his orb and ult), but it cost way too much for that. Dagon especially ain't worth it at all.

If you don't want to go armlet, get aghs bkb AC to be a slowing mass nuking machine who also has actually enough mana to megaheal his allies (his heal is broken if casted on a good hero tbh). 4 sec cd nuke that deal 1k+ damage ain't also no joke. Your right click will suck but who care since too many things counter u already.

The problem with huskar, (tusk even more), is that you desperately need to have more levels than your opponent since ur skillset put you in the middle of the fight, and later on jumping is often straight suicide unless you're massively overfarmed since most heroes don't die from a jump (ghost or blademail or forcestaffs or whatever) and you will die from being in the middle of the enemy team.

I love huskar but currently he's good only as a farmer and against a team that don't massively counter it with pure damage/physical nukes. Possibly viable in a tri-core lineup as a mek carrier that peak early (with mek + armlet + phase), but then it's harder to transition to late since he don't have good farming skills tbh.

 

[Haly]

This is the guy who taught me how to play PA.

Maybe this time I will know how to play TB.

http://jjcm.org/blog/how_to_play_tb/

 

[kionedrik]

Necro with a mek and a force is a piece of shit
Necro with Aghs + Heart + Refresher + Sheep is a beast that will win you the game after one fight

I understand your point but that's a rather extreme example don't you think. It's true to any hero in the game carry or support.

I don't like to think of him as a support but he can do the role.

Besides, how many supports have a HEAL?
Lion is a carry because he doesn't have a heal. #flawlesslogic

I don't get that "Has a heal hence is a support" logic and I never supported it. Also he has lane presence and is strong from the get-go. He can be a lane buddy to a farmer with 1 level in heartstop aura and he'll be a bitch to whoever is laning against him, and let's not count the heal as a minor skill, even at level 1.


Edit: All of this reasoning is purely from a pub point-of-view. There's no way he can be played as a support in competitive.

I would consider more of a core in general, jungling core that has ganking capability, but I think she's more of a 3. Impetus is so good for damage, ESPECIALLY with Aghs and now that it goes through BKB at all times.

There's countless real supports with ultis that do massive damage, with or without aghs, that can easily get a rampage or ultra in any team-fight (WD, Lion, CM, etc). That doesn't invalidate the fact that they are supports.

I'll agree with you that she might be a special case, or something outside the norm. There's a lot of examples of heroes like her: Chen, Enigma, WL, Visage...

 

[shira]

Tangerine Silencer 2legit4ragequit

 

[Hylian7]

I understand your point but that's a rather extreme example don't you think. It's true to any hero in the game carry or support.

I don't like to think of him as a support but he can do the role.



I don't get that "Has a heal hence is a support" logic and I never supported it. Also he has lane presence and is strong from the get-go. He can be a lane buddy to a farmer with 1 level in heartstop aura and he'll be a bitch to whoever is laning against him, and let's not count the heal as a minor skill, even at level 1.



There's countless real supports with ultis that do massive damage, with or without aghs, that can easily get a rampage or ultra in any team-fight (WD, Lion, CM, etc). That doesn't invalidate the fact that they are supports.

I'll agree with you that she might be a special case, or something outside the norm. There's a lot of examples of heroes like her: Chen, Enigma, WL, Visage...

Heartstopper Aura is basically stopped flat by enough passive regen, be it Ring of Health or Dragon Blood or something.

Sure, but Enchantress is a special case because with her skillset, she scales so uniquely.

She has a passive that keeps herself from getting right clicked much.

A heal to sustain herself, and her team as necessary.

A slow or creep convert to use as needed. The slow is really strong and might be an argument for her as support, but I would still rather get carrying items on her as it's more useful. That or get Necrobook and push.

 

[Monochromaticx]

Either Burden learned a hard lesson from that trashing by VG or Alliance is just back to sucking hard

 

[Haunted]

When I played Warlock for the first time, Upheaval was widely considered shit. I think the first build guide I used didn't even put a point in it and went for stats instead, it used to be all about the bonds + golem. Now I hear that people prioritise Shadow Word and Upheaval over bonds.

What's the current recommended build for Warlock? I really like the hero but I'm unsure on how to skill him these days.

edit: might as well ask about items, I used to go arcanes -> aghs -> refresher (with a bracer or urn inbetween when I felt too squishy)


edit²: is there a way to load and select guides before a match starts (i.e. the Dota 2 menu or something?) I feel like many of the guides I use are outdated, but with the new focus on covering runes etc I rarely feel like I get the chance to choose one I like. I guess I could do it in an empty lobby...

 

[bbd23]

LOL LODA

 

[W1SSY]

Loda learned from EE not to carry a TP.

 

[Baha]

Loda without a tp twice in the same game

 

[SecretMoblin]

poor loda


and offlane encan'tress is coming, watch this space

 

[Raytow]

Either Burden learned a hard lesson from that trashing by VG or Alliance is just back to sucking hard

a little bit of this, a little bit of that.

 

[kionedrik]

Heartstopper Aura is basically stopped flat by enough passive regen, be it Ring of Health or Dragon Blood or something.

Sure, but Enchantress is a special case because with her skillset, she scales so uniquely.

She has a passive that keeps herself from getting right clicked much.

A heal to sustain herself, and her team as necessary.

A slow or creep convert to use as needed. The slow is really strong and might be an argument for her as support, but I would still rather get carrying items on her as it's more useful. That or get Necrobook and push.

Fair enough. To me she'll be one of those cases that proves the point "Just because you can doesn't mean you should". Just like Abaddon.

 

[ksan]

just outright awful by alliance

Loda without a tp twice in the same game

as bad map awareness as waga

Spoiler

he cancelled the tp the first time, second time he was anime doe

 

[pompidu]

TP's are for bitches. Real men walk from one end of the map to he other. Like a boss

 

[DrPizza]

alliance losing against trash, sad

drafts losses are real in 6.84

Burden and Lepricon strike me as the kind of teams who on their day will be able to upset anyone.

 

[manfestival]

TP's are for bitches. Real men walk from one end of the map to he other. Like a boss

Thats why you run like a punk when you see me tping in while you are attacking my tower!

 

[rac]

I'm sure necro support could work with solar thing and glimmer cape.

 

[Quesa]

Dota 2 OT 10 -- Got a patch but all I want is hats

 

[ksan]

Burden and Lepricon strike me as the kind of teams who on their day will be able to upset anyone.

burden has cwm, so its pretty much a fact that they're trash

 

[Hylian7]

I'm sure necro support could work with solar thing and glimmer cape.

You do have to farm to get those though, and you really won't contribute much to the early game before you do get those.

 

[Monochromaticx]

Dota 2 OT 10 -- Got a patch but all I want is hats

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