Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Hylian7 said:
I'm sorry, but you are trolling and Meepo mid is garbage. I ended up abandoning the game, it was that terrible.
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Mid meepo is my favorite place to play him. Sixghost told you that it's not about winning the lane, it's about getting enough for your tranqs and getting to level 6. After that you can snowball if your team isn't total shit and fed side lanes. One drawback though is you'll get the occasional "WHY MID NO GANK!?!?!?!?" and that's annoying to hear for any mid hero.

http://dotabuff.com/matches/187136092

Mid Meepo match.
 
Tenck said:
Mid meepo is my favorite place to play him. Sixghost told you that it's not about winning the lane, it's about getting enough for your tranqs and getting to level 6. After that you can snowball if your team isn't total shit and fed side lanes. One drawback though is you'll get the occasional "WHY MID NO GANK!?!?!?!?" and that's annoying to hear for any mid hero.
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Yeah, I just had an extremely successful Meepo mid game (see the scoreboard on the last page). It was against a Bloodseeker, so it was pretty easy. BH and Bloodseeker tried to towerdive me once they hit 6. I ended up killing BH and got BS really low before he took off.
 
I really like Slark, but I never seem to do super well with him. I do okay, but I don't think I've ever had a game where I've balled out of control, like I'll occasionally get with the likes of TA/SF/etc.
 
I just had a great idea:

Instead of increasing damage, Aghanim should compress CM's ult to 3 seconds instead of the 7 seconds it takes now.
 
Haly said:
I just had a great idea:

Instead of increasing damage, Aghanim should compress CM's ult to 3 seconds instead of the 7 seconds it takes now.
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So the damage that normally happens in 7 seconds now happens in 3? :lol I dunno if that's brilliant or crazy.
 
If you can get Aghanim on CM I think you deserve all the kills.
 
Artanisix said:
Aghanims Crystal Maiden: All enemies now get arcane aura but are now as slow as CM.

this is my ultra buff
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yo welcome to the club im #1 advocate for aghs improving not just ultis, for example:

Aghanims Shadowfiend: Shadowfiend now has a cast time of 0 and all of his abilities now deal pure damage.
 
Haly said:
I just had a great idea:

Instead of increasing damage, Aghanim should compress CM's ult to 3 seconds instead of the 7 seconds it takes now.
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But at the same time, wouldn't that potentially hinder it, because you are timing it with something else, like maybe a Chronosphere and a DS Vacuum or something?
 
Hylian7 said:
But at the same time, wouldn't that potentially hinder it, because you are timing it with something else, like maybe a Chronosphere and a DS Vacuum or something?
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No? Because the really scary part of CM's ult is the damage. If that damage comes quicker, opponents have less time to react to it before significant damage is done.
 
Anbokr said:
yo welcome to the club im #1 advocate for aghs improving not just ultis, for example:

Aghanims Shadowfiend: Shadowfiend now has a cast time of 0 and all of his abilities now deal pure damage.
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I definitely think Aghs affecting spells besides Ultis, particularly if the other spells are more defining of the hero, would be fun. Morphling, for example, might want an upgrade that affects morph over replicate.
 
CM change:-

Frostbite can be casted on allies which gives:-
Level Effects
1 Revealed, Disarmed, Immobilized, Frozen, 20% Damage Reduction
2 Revealed, Disarmed, Immobilized, Frozen, 30% Damage Reduction
3 Revealed, Disarmed, Immobilized, Frozen, 40% Damage Reduction
4 Revealed, Disarmed, Immobilized, Frozen, 50% Damage Reduction

I did not steal that change at all from HoN's Glacius...
 
CarbonatedFalcon said:
I definitely think Aghs affecting spells besides Ultis, particularly if the other spells are more defining of the hero, would be fun. Morphling, for example, might want an upgrade that affects morph over replicate.
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yeah man it's great

Lone druid aghs: Lone Druid can now summon a second bear called "wizard bear." Wizard bear has a 20% chance to cyclone an enemy player for 1s. Only wizard bear can attack cycloned targets.
 
I'm in the heart of the trench, friends. Had a gentleman watch me die from about 1000 units away without making a move towards me and he told me he wasn't able to come help because he had pulled.

Had to mind those creeps.
 
Hylian7 said:
But at the same time, wouldn't that potentially hinder it, because you are timing it with something else, like maybe a Chronosphere and a DS Vacuum or something?
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Er... no.

There is only one or two scenarios where this is a bad thing.

- If someone BKBs (with 5 seconds on the timer) during your ult. So they'll get hit for the first and last few seconds.
- If you're ulting for the debuff and not the damage.

In all other respects it's significantly better. A CM is lucky to get 3 seconds worth of damage out of her ult anyway.

Another alternative Agha buff: "Freezing Field is now targeted AoE with 600 range."
 
CM buff I would like:

Arcane Aura changed to 0.4/0.8/1.2/1.6 mana per second + 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.4% of recipients max mana. Also passively buffs CM's movespeed by 1/2/3/5%.

Freezing Field has 500 cast range. The debuff slow increases by 7% per second over it's duration. (Basically like a Warlock upheaval in both respects.)

Probably too much. I think she's kind of underrated but it would be nice if she did a bit more mid game.
 
Haly said:
Er... no.

There is only one or two scenarios where this is a bad thing.

- If someone BKBs (with 5 seconds on the timer) during your ult. So they'll get hit for the first and last few seconds.
- If you're ulting for the debuff and not the damage.

In all other respects it's significantly better. A CM is lucky to get 3 seconds worth of damage out of her ult anyway.

Another alternative Agha buff: "Freezing Field is now targeted AoE with 600 range."
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You could also make it so the ult doesn't stop even if she is killed, and give it some channel time, though it would basically be SK's ult then.
 
Drkirby said:
You could also make it so the ult doesn't stop even if she is killed, and give it some channel time, though it would basically be SK's ult then.
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Indeed, there are lots of things Ice can do with CM.
 
Arcane Aura giving move speed each level might not be bad. She won't be complete food by mid-late game, and if you pick up more levels early, her ganking potential won't be as strong since you won't have as much in the nuke and disable.
 
Uninstalled Dota and taking a break for a few weeks.
Looking through the last 3 pages of my games was roughly 25% wins or something.
Even a bunch of those wins were probably boring stomps. Just not worth it right now when I get 1 in 5 games that are actually fun, and I do enjoy some games I lose, just most loses seem to be stomps.

I know I can't hate dota in the long run though <3<3, I'll come back to Abaddon having been released.
 
Playing with a KOTL who buys courier and wards at the beginning, thinking "this match actually might go well." Then he's laning with me (Alchemist) on safe lane and he uses Q (light wave thing) on every single fucking creep wave. Stealing all the farm and constantly pushing the lane. So Riki gets fed on the lane because we (mostly he, but I contributed) are pushed out too far, and I'm woefully underfarmed.
 
Any Australian players looking for a team mate or regular to play with? I'm not great but not awful, just sick of playing with pubbies and losing 4 games in a row due to players that feed, do there own thing or generally don't have a clue. PM me.
 
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