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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Archie

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Posted this last night...would love some feedback. Match -233778716

Need advice...

http://dotabuff.com/matches/233778716

I know I fucked up hard in this match (fed nyx blindly teleported in to defend and died etc)...but I'm not sure how to approach the midgame in this case...what items should I have built? etc? I'm kinda confused about NP itemization in general (I know he's not super hard but should I have gone sheep earlier?)

Yeah there were some real comical mistakes (teleporting myself onto a cliff etc...) I pretty much brain farted at the end...
 
xboct is by far the weakest link on na'vi

he really needs to learn how to play safer and farm better

Quite the opposite. Xboct is Na'Vi playstyle in a nutshell. Dive hard, be aggressive and snowball. Thus if they are losing Xboct looks bad but if they are executing, Xboct looks like a hero.

Btw, Dendi dives about as much as Xboct but since he's not the hard carry, it's easy to forget.


lmao at Lumi's face that his beloved IG got destroyed. He's wounded!
 
Bow needs some actual details. It is just colors dabbed on top of the base (the wings and pink parts are especially prone to this). How are the claws on the ends attached?

From the ingame shots, when viewed from the back, she just looks like a giant blob of blue grey colors. Very hard to make out where the cape ends and her body begins. Might look better in motion.
 

TommyT

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Drow's face looks more ethnic and looses some of her intensity for sex appeal. At least from what I remembered the older (was it changed?) model looking like which is the picture on the DotA 2 wiki. Can you change facial structure/lighting/etc. or is that just something with how her model has changed over time?
 

snack

Member
Funniest thing happened yesterday. I was in a game with a couple buddies and the other team paused because someone their team had a mouse that wasn't working. My friend went afk as well to do something. During this time, the game was unpaused. My friend, who was PA, was in mid standing idle and on the map I see two enemies attacking him. The enemy walks up to him and starts attacking PA. My friend writes in chat, "WTF!" and has no idea what the hell is going on.

PA's health bar is so low that one more hit would kill her. But in the next 5-10 seconds, his evasion passive blocks every attack humanly possible and I can't stop laughing. Karma to the max.

Game ID is:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/233755792

I don't have the exact time where it happened since I am at work but I wanted to share this great karma moment with all of you. It happened in mid. Even the other team knew it was karma. Hilarious!
 

monocromo

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Is it wrong if as a support I refuse to upgrade the courier when they got it killed and when asked who was no one aswers ? Or if at the start X carry says "courier" as if I didnt know how to play support and I refuse to buy it until they ask nicely ? I mean, Im not tellling the carrys "please kill the enemies and dont feed"
 
Is it wrong if as a support I refuse to upgrade the courier when they got it killed and when asked who was no one aswers ? Or if at the start X carry says "courier" as if I didnt know how to play support and I refuse to buy it until they ask nicely ? I mean, Im not tellling the carrys "please kill the enemies and dont feed"

right or wrong in irrelevant. you're not helping overall.
 

eznark

Banned
Is it wrong if as a support I refuse to upgrade the courier when they got it killed and when asked who was no one aswers ? Or if at the start X carry says "courier" as if I didnt know how to play support and I refuse to buy it until they ask nicely ? I mean, Im not tellling the carrys "please kill the enemies and dont feed"

If you are playing with randoms how do they know you know what you are doing before the match starts?
 

monocromo

Member
right or wrong in irrelevant. you're not helping overall.

Sorry but I dont find pleassure in helping ungrateful and rude players.

If you are playing with randoms how do they know you know what you are doing before the match starts?

Because if I pick a support its because I want to play a support role. If i leave the fountain with non support items call me out for being an idiot but if not mind your own bussines. And my main problem isnt when they ask for it, but when the order you to do it.
 

TommyT

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Sorry but I dont find pleassure in helping ungrateful and rude players.

Unless you're leaving out the part where you told/asked nicely about how you would buy the courier if they asked nicely, then you're no different from them. It seems, in this instance, you've dedicated yourself to the support role. By doing so, regardless if the team is nice or not, you should do what you're dedicating yourself to do: support. That's not to say you can't up and decide to go carry or whatever and stop supporting as that is completely your prerogative.

Not everyone is going to say thanks for you buying wards, dust, a courier, etc.

edit: Your original question was whether it was right or wrong what you were doing. Someone says you're in the wrong then you attempt to justify why you were in the right. So why are you asking if you think what you did was right in the first place?

Because if I pick a support its because I want to play a support role. If i leave the fountain with non support items call me out for being an idiot but if not mind your own bussines. And my main problem isnt when they ask for it, but when the order you to do it.

So by not upgrading the courier when they get it killed and not answering you're not supporting. You're hindering your team regardless, which is the opposite of supporting.
 

monocromo

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Unless you're leaving out the part where you told/asked nicely about how you would buy the courier if they asked nicely, then you're no different from them. It seems, in this instance, you've dedicated yourself to the support role. By doing so, regardless if the team is nice or not, you should do what you're dedicating yourself to do: support. That's not to say you can't up and decide to go carry or whatever and stop supporting as that is completely your prerogative.

Not everyone is going to say thanks for you buying wards, dust, a courier, etc.

edit: Your original question was whether it was right or wrong what you were doing. Someone says you're in the wrong then you attempt to justify why you were in the right. So why are you asking if you think what you did was right in the first place?

Im not expecting them to say thanks for my work, but getting the courier killed and not admiting it its shitting on your work.

And he didnt say it was wrong, he said it wasnt helpful.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
Sorry but I dont find pleassure in helping ungrateful and rude players.



Because if I pick a support its because I want to play a support role. If i leave the fountain with non support items call me out for being an idiot but if not mind your own bussines. And my main problem isnt when they ask for it, but when the order you to do it.

you sound like you have some anger issues to work out
 

Wunder

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whenever I ask someone to buy something I always add a 'pls' after it. Is that enough? For example, solo queue and we have a bunch of people who random. One guy randoms a support role last, after everyone bought their items. I say 'courier pls' when they pop into fountain, just in case they are new/unawares there isn't a courier already out. That's fine, right?
 

TommyT

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Im not expecting them to say thanks for my work, but getting the courier killed and not admiting it its shitting on your work.

So your problem is that they aren't admitting it, not that the courier is dying (which is pretty normal for any game)?

And he didnt say it was wrong, he said it wasnt helpful.

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Ok, then let me rephrase: Do you think not helping your team, as a support, is right or wrong?
 

monocromo

Member
whenever I ask someone to buy something I always add a 'pls' after it. Is that enough? For example, solo queue and we have a bunch of people who random. One guy randoms a support role last, after everyone bought their items. I say 'courier pls' when they pop into fountain, just in case they are new/unawares there isn't a courier already out. That's fine, right?

Yep, I think thats perfectly fine.
 

Nymerio

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As someone who mostly plays support I don't mind people telling me to buy stuff. What I hate though is being called a bad support because I didn't buy something when I obviously didn't even have enough gold to afford said item. Or when playing KOTL and people pinging you for mana when Chakra is on cooldown. That shit is annoying.

As support the mute button seems to be your best friend.
 

Aesthet1c

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Supports are often unappreciated, and that's nothing against you, it's just the nature of the game.

That being said, holding silly grudges against your teammates for not admitting they got the courier killed hurts everyone on your team. Just always play your best effort and mute the dickheads. Don't be the guy on the team that holds everyone back because someone didn't say "please".
 

monocromo

Member
Ok, then let me rephrase: Do you think not helping your team, as a support, is right or wrong?

As a pure support I think its wrong and its when I usually decide to not give priority to support them them and go for other build. Or i give priority to support another player.
 

TommyT

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As a pure support I think its wrong and its when I usually decide to not give priority to support them them and go for other build. Or i give priority to support another player.

So then there was no reason for your initial question and you just wanted to let people know you are vindictive and grudge holding. Got it.
 

Acinixys

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Is it wrong if as a support I refuse to upgrade the courier when they got it killed and when asked who was no one aswers ? Or if at the start X carry says "courier" as if I didnt know how to play support and I refuse to buy it until they ask nicely ? I mean, Im not tellling the carrys "please kill the enemies and dont feed"

If there is no courier i will always either buy one (as a support) or say "X please get a courier"

No need to be impolite
 

Yasae

Banned
I do. I like being the better player that's supporting the team regardless, instead of being petty and sinking to their level.
The constant whining does get old, though. If there's one thing this game teaches you, it's that people can't handle their own failures and will quickly blame someone else.

If there are two supports, please split the costs. You can both afford it.

If there are two carries in a lane and that's the way things have to be, either decide who's going to get farm or split it down the middle. Don't steal everything when you don't need it. That's being greedy and usually ends up in a loss anyway.

Stack and pull, but don't let other players die on proper engages. That's sloppy.

Jungle, but don't let other players die on proper engages. That's sloppy too.

Stop telling other people how to play when they're playing really fucking good.
 

Artanisix

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Because if I pick a support its because I want to play a support role. If i leave the fountain with non support items call me out for being an idiot but if not mind your own bussines. And my main problem isnt when they ask for it, but when the order you to do it.

I absolutely despise it when people tell me to mind my own business or pay attention to my own hero in dota. At the end of the day, it's a team game and I'm going to make calls that you may or may not agree with. Sometimes you don't need to listen, especially if you see the call is bad, as long as you speak up. But doing something like refusing to upgrade a courier? Now that's just bad play. Always try to improve your own game, even if your team is rude. Don't be a petty player.
 

Yasae

Banned
I absolutely despise it when people tell me to mind my own business or pay attention to my own hero in dota. At the end of the day, it's a team game and I'm going to make calls that you may or may not agree with. Sometimes you don't need to listen, especially if you see the call is bad, as long as you speak up. But doing something like refusing to upgrade a courier? Now that's just bad play. Always try to improve your own game, even if your team is rude. Don't be a petty player.
This is really self-important, but most of it's true.

Never ever ever make calls when I'm playing exceptionally though."6/0/11?!?!?!? COME ON STEP IT UP!"
 

Wynnebeck

Banned
Supports really are the unsung heroes in matches. You get abused all match having people yell at you for wards even though you are warding as fast as you can and buying support items. Then when you end up winning, the main carry wants to go "Commend plz :)" when it should have been the damn supports getting props! ;__;
 

Yasae

Banned
Supports really are the unsung heroes in matches. You get abused all match having people yell at you for wards even though you are warding as fast as you can and buying support items. Then when you end up winning, the main carry wants to go "Commend plz :)" when it should have been the damn supports getting props! ;__;
Pretty much.

I play tidehunter as hard support, yet his ult is kind of fundamental to winning. I mean a global stun that long isn't exactly making your job difficult.
 

TommyT

Member
This is really self-important, but most of it's true.

Never ever ever make calls when I'm playing exceptionally though."6/0/11?!?!?!? COME ON STEP IT UP!"

Wait, so if you've managed to do that well you're saying no one should every say "Let's group up and team fight to win" or "Let's go Rosh"? There's a difference in making a call and telling someone to "... STEP IT UP!"
 
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