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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]
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Pureauthor
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But it still counts as a win for the Radiant.
The good items go on the bear. Lone Druid proper gets whatever he needs to stay alive so he can keep the bear alive by proxy.
Max bear and your passive first, then your active
Last hitting early game should be a breeze thanks to both you and the bear fighting together. Don't go for ganks unless there's someone else with a good opening stun because you want to hit him as many times as possible in the hopes that root procs.
Bear likes Atk Speed items, so Mjollnr and Assault Cuirass are the 'standard' big items to shoots for.
If the rest of your team is distracting the enemy team, push to the nearest enemy tower and tear it down - you do it really quickly compared to most sieging heroes.
Awesome, it reminds me of the WC2 art. I don't see why you said it's NSF-oh
Spirit Breaker's ulti follows heroes. That why its dangerous to try to cancel tps unless you do it immediately.
Good, but get the bear items first. Radiance only when you have really really good farm. Get Mealstrom and a Hyperstone on the bear first. Then I mostly go basher and from there on it's pretty loose. You can get whatever your heart desires. Getting a hyperstone and basher on the main hero as well is immensly fun though. Constant bashes
On another note:
I started a Limited Pool match by accident and nobody in there had less than 200 wins haha
Gully State
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Go phase boots ->drums->deso and don't go battlefury. Look for ganks at 6 and track as much as you can. Also learn to check wind walk's cool down which you can abuse to harass in lane provided your laning opponent doesn't buy detection., which at lower levels they don't.
StrongArmSteady
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do you focus last hitting with him much or should you just wait for level 6 ganks (same question can apply to the other gankers aswell)?
Looks good. Add Ghost Scepter to your situational Sylla items too!
There are a few ways to build him. Phase > Bottle > Drums > Deso is a new build I've found, and is the ultimate roaming setup for early to mid game.
I know I shouldn't, but I often build Carry Bounty, which consists of Phase > Vlads > Deso > BKB > MKB > Rapier.
Yes, really.
*Edit* Don't get BFury on Bounty... please.
Last hitting gets you your early items. You should be treated as a carry in lane, or ideally, solo laning. As soon as you hit 6, get roaming and ganking, tracking everyone in other lanes to set up some nice kills. Your Shuri toss is a great nuke like ability at higher levels, so don't neglect it like I do. I favour 2 levels in Shuri, 2 levels in Shadow Walk and a max Jinada + Track by level 9.
Schweinehund
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midas goes on the druid, not the bear, atleast when using the active.
You won't get extra exp if bear uses it.
Hey, guys! We finished a new set.
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Video and promo art soon!
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Lactose_Intolerant
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Lol at Bruno flaming qpad, so funny.
Gully State
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Depends on your laning setup.. If you solo as dire on bottom or radiant on top against more than one laning opponent, then just get your levels, don't die, and get last hits when it's safe to. Early gold helps set you up for a successful early-mid game, which is your crucial time to shine.. But staying alive and XP are more important.
Oh try not to use shuriken for anything other than finishing off a hero or canceling his tp/channeling of an important spell. It's way too expensive to be used more frequently. I see trend happen often where the BH opens with everything and then will inexplicably toss out a shuriken just for the sake of damage. It kills most of your mana pool when you do that.
Technosteve
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Naga is horrible, they nerfed her base damage to much
Hey, guys! We finished a new set.
Video and promo art soon!
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I really like it, it's not too different from the original concept like some if them are, good luck!
SneakyStephan
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Übermatik;68297751 said:
What do you do for mana on him? Or regen in general really. After every gank I need to go back to the fountain to heal/refill my mana which puts me behind in levels fast, especially if not every gank works out.
You tell the other poster to constantly track people but it only lasts 30seconds where do you get the mana to spam it.
Track got buffed in 6.78 so it's only 50 mana from lvl 1. You should have enough mana with bottle/arcane boots from support to sustain a few ganks
SneakyStephan
Banned
So you have to get bottle on him? I don't think the mid hero will be happy that you constantly take the runes?
Is there a good replay of a good bounty player somewhere (who actually has to fight for the win and not has everything go best case scenario)
Pick up a Basi if you're really struggling, but you should have enough mana from supports to keep you out in the field... Shadow Walk and Track cost nothing, and Jinada is passive. Go for the bottle pick up if you really want to roam all the time.
SteveWinwood
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Get a medallion on him for some extra mana and more gank potential.
You don't have to, it's a preference. I like going Basi or Medallion after Phase if I have spare change.
Naga is awesome :I
Gully State
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Not really, you just have to be fairly economical with his spells (I speak from personal experience as when I started out, I had the same issue)..for instance..
-windwalk more efficiently (if you're in a safe position in lane, you can just hang out instead of windwalking/don't windwalk at the first sign of harassment when simply backing off will suffice.
-don't spam shuriken- use it only in the manner I described in my previous post.
-don't be afraid to buy yourself a clarity if you're only low on mana.
-other options include -investing in a ring of bascilius (not sure if I agree with this but I've seen my friend do it and he's a better player than I), magic wand or just a magic stick(you'll be participating in a lot of fights/ganks early on, shouldn't be hard to build stick charges), bottle (I only do this if I get to play BH as solo mid but you can pick it up but I find it slows down my item progression if I do this anywhere but mid).
Little things like that go a long way..
SteveWinwood
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I love Bruno so much.
Never never never never go medallion on BH unless you're absolutely dirt poor and all you want to contribute in fights is track + putting up medallion. You deal most of your damage on the first hit out of invis + jinada, so medallion is really wasted.
A magic wand with drums is usually more than enough for your mana pool, if you still want more go basi because picking up a vlads on BH eventually (especially if you have a melee carry) is usually a good idea.
Tell that to all the western teams who have been picking her nearly every game (sometimes in the first round); she's also commonly banned out in the second round now. Naga is a very strong carry with great utility and farming potential, so when the cream of the crop get nerfed, she's going to rise up considerably. Reverting her riptide nerf also gives her more lane presence and allows her to mid.
Steve's gunna steve.
What'd he say? Just called them Qbad or something more substantial?
Gully State
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It's pretty much my first big item for BH I'm going up against antimage or someone else with an effective escape..
Honestly I have started playing support Axe lately and I go Mek, Arcane Boots, Urn then Blink which has worked wonders for me. Axe gets Mek up and running faster than most supports and he is usually in a position where he can get a lot of his allies healed as well.
Schweinehund
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Yeah bh is pretty versatile, you can usually build a lot of items that will support your main carry while helping your damage. My personal favorite build is vlad + deso, allows you to easily solo roshan and helps your team push, your carry, and packs a punch.
Personally I feel as if bh is the best pub ganker in the game, track gold has costed me so many games because of irresponsible feeding.
Kraken shell, bro.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Tried bottle and drums on BH and it really helped, thanks, especially the drums at least give you some more base mana.
I only had to go back to the fountain 3x in the entire game and was the second highest level.
Being able to spam more tracks because of the bottle really helps my team farm safely or find ganks or counter shadow blade as well.
I only had to go back to the fountain 3x in the entire game and was the second highest level.
Being able to spam more tracks because of the bottle really helps my team farm safely or find ganks or counter shadow blade as well.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Man I hate the MMR. I dared to get 15 more wins then losses, so now I have to get smacked back down with a losing streak so I don't "forget my place"
Is anybodies Steam Cloud in-game hero builds broken like mine are?
Whenever I go to that page in-game or through web browser either some or all of my builds are inaccessible, most of the time I can't even create new builds, it won't let me save at all!
Whenever I go to that page in-game or through web browser either some or all of my builds are inaccessible, most of the time I can't even create new builds, it won't let me save at all!
Both Puppey and Synderen said on talkdota once that it's the worst item in the game.
Merlini too.
SteveWinwood
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Naga is one of the few people who has a stun that goes though magic immunity level 1.
Gully State
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Where in your item progression would you build a Medallion? After phase and maybe a wand, I'm building up for drums...so I guess do you build before or after drums?
Now that I think about it...what do you guys mainly get for starting items on BH?
I usually go buckler/tango/health pot/3 gg branches or 2 slippers of agi/tango/pot/2 gg branches. From there I build PMS first, then phase and wand -> drums...
Now that I think about it...what do you guys mainly get for starting items on BH?
I usually go buckler/tango/health pot/3 gg branches or 2 slippers of agi/tango/pot/2 gg branches. From there I build PMS first, then phase and wand -> drums...
Synderen just keeps doing whatever everyone else has done in the past weeks, not surprised he gets on the bandwagon on this too. Plus different metas and all.
Can anyone tell me how a Weaver is ever gonna kill you before 40 minutes if you have a Vanguard? Try to farm an early vanguard on a Bristleback and then come tell me how the item is shit.
It's not a good item in every situation on every hero but sometimes it's really good, i would say it's even less situational than something like a Dagon or a Necrobook.
Merlini buys travels first on every hero, don't know i would trust his opinion that much tbh.
Naga is best female in the game.
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