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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Ayo GAF.

I was thinking about pro CM picks/bans...

...and was wondering. If -- hypothetically -- Skywrath Mage becomes a semi-regular 1st round ban, what currently regular banned hero is most likely to see more action? Kotl? Nyx? Wisp? Bat?

I expect KotL just because of the sheer power of Recall.
 

Boken

Banned
i played that new lol mode where it's like winter and it's all random all mid but because i only bought like one hero (drow ranger i mean ashe) it's all random of whatever is free and that lady

that makes no sense

hey drow is kinda a copy of ashe i mean look at that side fringe and white hair i mean shes meant to be based on sylvannas and syl doesnt have a side fringe dota designers clearly copied league i mean wtf is this why are most sets so bad i mean look at pa sets and that new qop set
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Do we anticipate any Sky nerfs? I haven't seen many mids he can't completely disassemble if he's not ganked regularly, and his slow and movement speed allows him to escape a lot of potential ganks in a way that most heroes without a real escape can't. I think he's the most intimidating mid to have to face in the game presently next to QoP. and in a 1v1, he can kill you faster and more safely than QoP.

I honestly doubt it, he's a good hero but he's also very squishy. I haven't been watching competitive recently though, has he been picked up consistently and winning? If he's a niche pick, he won't get nerfed. Icefraud rarely nerfs, and when he does, it's usually only ever the tier 1 instapick comp. heroes or the default first phase ban heroes (of course there are exceptions occasionally, i.e. see ursa slap on the wrist nerf).
 
So I bought the compendium, pretty neat idea on Valve's part. Excited for them to add some more information in there, it's a tad scant atm.

Despite my undying devotion to Dota I have invested very little time on the professional scene. Is there any kind of online resource I could start digging into so I can make reliable predictions?
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
all this Drow-hating will stop, damn it. :(

We need to all just go back to the good ol' days of hating anti-fun:

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o anti-fun, how the mighty have fallen
 

Hylian7

Member
We need to all just go back to the good ol' days of hating anti-fun:

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o anti-fun, how the mighty have fallen

Replace that Lycan with Cancer Lancer and you have the Doto of today.

"Oh, you're winning a teamfight against 4 people of my team right now? Too bad your rax is coming down and you all have to TP back now and can't capitalize on that and push. I'll be gone by the time you get there."
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Replace that Lycan with Cancer Lancer and you have the Doto of today.

"Oh, you're winning a teamfight against 4 people of my team right now? Too bad your rax is coming down and you all have to TP back now and can't capitalize on that and push. I'll be gone by the time you get there."

bro lycan is the best hero in the game, wolves need to have 100 hp max imo
 
Nyx is pretty horse shit but honestly nothing was more ridiculous in my time playing dota 2 than centaur right after he was released. I think he had like a 66% win rate. Nightstalker and AM were pretty crazy with TI1 pool but they faded away pretty quick after lycan/lone druid/sd were added.

"Remember this shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5h7RSEbVI"

the icefraud trumpet makes that video
 

Hylian7

Member
bro lycan is the best hero in the game, wolves need to have 100 hp max imo

Lycan is fine right now, also just kind of "average" since his major nerf. So is Cancer Lancer, they're just both really annoying when they're dropping towers.

Also I think Lone Druid does Lycan's job better right now anyway.

Nyx is pretty horse shit but honestly nothing was more ridiculous in my time playing dota 2 than centaur right after he was released. I think he had like a 66% win rate. Nightstalker and AM were pretty crazy with TI1 pool but they faded away pretty quick after lycan/lone druid/sd were added.

Oh god fucking this. He was nerfed the next week, but jesus christ it was fucking horrifying playing against him. Everyone was so afraid of Centuar during that week that they always had to pick him or it was considered a lost game for sure. Does anyone have that Dotabuff screenshot of that week he was released in Dota 2? Shit was craaaaaaaazy. I have no idea how that ultimate got past Icefrog.

Remember this shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5h7RSEbVI
 

Hylian7

Member
I still find him pretty annoying to lane against, even after the nerf. One other stun/slow, and he can do so much damage early.

Yeah, and that's his job, but back before that nerf you were just screwed. I think pretty much everyone here agreed that his ult was utter bullshit when he first came out in Dota 2.
 

Sibylus

Banned
I still find him pretty annoying to lane against, even after the nerf. One other stun/slow, and he can do so much damage early.
Fun as shit laning against something like an Alchemist who just wants to be left alone and bop creeps, especially without level 6 frosting.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Oh god fucking this. He was nerfed the next week, but jesus christ it was fucking horrifying playing against him. Everyone was so afraid of Centuar during that week that they always had to pick him or it was considered a lost game for sure. Does anyone have that Dotabuff screenshot of that week he was released in Dota 2? Shit was craaaaaaaazy. I have no idea how that ultimate got past Icefrog.

Remember this shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5h7RSEbVI
The flashbacks! The flashbacks! First day he came out I innocently walked into a game against him, and emerged a scarred man. You just couldn't initiate into anyone anywhere ever
 

Anuxinamoon

Shaper Divine
Lycan is fine right now, also just kind of "average" since his major nerf. So is Cancer Lancer, they're just both really annoying when they're dropping towers.

Also I think Lone Druid does Lycan's job better right now anyway.



Oh god fucking this. He was nerfed the next week, but jesus christ it was fucking horrifying playing against him. Everyone was so afraid of Centuar during that week that they always had to pick him or it was considered a lost game for sure. Does anyone have that Dotabuff screenshot of that week he was released in Dota 2? Shit was craaaaaaaazy. I have no idea how that ultimate got past Icefrog.

Remember this shit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5h7RSEbVI

Holy shit I remember joining pretty much around this time. Hahaha I had no idea what was going on. Now I do and its funneh :D
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
So, has Valve said anything about more tickets? The Venue can host 2500 people, but they only sold 1200 of them earlier today.
 

PatzCU

Member
While we're all reminiscing about OP Dota 2 beta heroes, I'd like to throw in pre-nerf Jakiro with his insta-ice path which my friends and I fondly called "gg path". Valve nerfed it within a week but it was fun as hell before they did! I basically never lost with a Jakiro pick.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
What? Where are you getting this number?

Which one? I believe they only had 1200 tickets for sale since I was trying to buy them for a solid hour, and was there from the start, like when the tickets were for sale on the test version of the site but no one could buy them.

The Benaroya Hall holding 2500 people is the stated capacity.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
So, has Valve said anything about more tickets? The Venue can host 2500 people, but they only sold 1200 of them earlier today.

Valve is too busy counting the money they are gonna get from all the scalper sales on the Steam Market and avoiding the clusterfuck that was the scramble for tickets.
 
hey drow is kinda a copy of ashe i mean look at that side fringe and white hair i mean shes meant to be based on sylvannas and syl doesnt have a side fringe dota designers clearly copied league i mean wtf is this why are most sets so bad i mean look at pa sets and that new qop set

im just sayin whats the point of "all random" if it's random out of ten heroes

thats dumb
 

eneko

Member
Which one? I believe they only had 1200 tickets for sale since I was trying to buy them for a solid hour, and was there from the start, like when the tickets were for sale on the test version of the site but no one could buy them.

The Benaroya Hall holding 2500 people is the stated capacity.

Hmm. They stated that they were distributing all the tickets at once and the ticket counter was pretty sporadic for me. I'm pretty sure they're all gone.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
Valve is too busy counting the money they are gonna get from all the scalper sales on the Steam Market and avoiding the clusterfuck that was the scramble for tickets.

Steam Market? They are out of stock, I can't even find them on Ebay.
 

Hylian7

Member
While we're all reminiscing about OP Dota 2 beta heroes, I'd like to throw in pre-nerf Jakiro with his insta-ice path which my friends and I fondly called "gg path". Valve nerfed it within a week but it was fun as hell before they did! I basically never lost with a Jakiro pick.

And the cast was directly targetable, meaning no-miss instant gg paths. That shit was annoying too.
 

Boken

Banned
league looks like an game that was art designed by a ------
and drow looks like ashe looks like league what does that say about valve and dota and art design and drow and ashe

i played that new lol mode where it's like winter and it's all random all mid but because i only bought like one hero (drow ranger i mean ashe) it's all random of whatever is free and that lady

that makes no sense

hey carry me when i play SW mid k? this weekend.
 

Drkirby

Corporate Apologist
Did valve just down grade the compendium Smevil from immortal to legendary ?

Neato ...

Yeah, it went from Immortal to Genuine Legendary. Likely Valve realizes it can't be immortal if you can always buy it (Since my gut say the Compendium will stay on the market after the International is over)
 

shira

Member
In about 12 hours they got 55k increase so thats about 22k compendiums sold - not looking that great - I thought they would have the stretch goal 1 easily. Maybe those store ads will guilt people into ponying up - but aside from the hardcore fans I don't see what the casual dota player has to gain - does the casual dotor even watch pro matches. . .

Ayo GAF.

I was thinking about pro CM picks/bans...

...and was wondering. If -- hypothetically -- Skywrath Mage becomes a semi-regular 1st round ban, what currently regular banned hero is most likely to see more action? Kotl? Nyx? Wisp? Bat?

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one more bump, not that many hits - I know it goes through anyway but it just looks so amazing.
 

Valygar

Member
Question about the compendium, and in general tournament tickets I guess. Will I be able to view past matches and have chances of getting items/courier upgrades?
If not I will probably pass, European here with not so much free time.
 

shira

Member
Question about the compendium, and in general tournament tickets I guess. Will I be able to view past matches and have chances of getting items/courier upgrades?
If not I will probably pass, European here with not so much free time.

Unknown. They probably will have the anytime view courier upgrades because there are prizes for those that watch it live. And it is inconvenitent/unfair for the Euro/Russia/Asiana region
 

Hylian7

Member
So I'm kind of wanting to give Meepo another try (I know, someone talk me down). I'm thinking I should get Tranquil Boots and level 6 in lane, then farm Scepter as soon as possible, right? Then my options open up after Scepter: Blink (maybe Shadow Blade instead to sneak the main Meepo in for a poof bomb?), AC, Drums, Butterfly,
Armlet
 

Valygar

Member
Unknown. They probably will have the anytime view courier upgrades because there are prizes for those that watch it live. And it is inconvenitent/unfair for the Euro/Russia/Asiana region

From cyborgmatt website, courier:
For those of you that won’t be able to catch the games live you will be able to watch the replays in order to increase your total games viewed count.

However with items it only mentions live matches :/
 
From cyborgmatt website, courier:
For those of you that won’t be able to catch the games live you will be able to watch the replays in order to increase your total games viewed count.

However with items it only mentions live matches :/

Yeah you won't get items. Those are given for witnessing a firstblood/multikill/etc live.
 

Tenck

Member
So I'm kind of wanting to give Meepo another try (I know, someone talk me down). I'm thinking I should get Tranquil Boots and level 6 in lane, then farm Scepter as soon as possible, right? Then my options open up after Scepter: Blink (maybe Shadow Blade instead to sneak the main Meepo in for a poof bomb?), AC, Drums, Butterfly,
Armlet

Once they get detection you're fucked though. That's the thing that sucks about shadow blade. And you should go reaver into heart instead of AC. Reaver stats are a must.
 

Hylian7

Member
Once they get detection you're fucked though. That's the thing that sucks about shadow blade. And you should go reaver into heart instead of AC. Reaver stats are a must.
Right, but that breaks Shadow Blade on anyone. I would think it would be better to have the extra damage that the zero stats or damage from Blink Dagger. Heart makes sense too though.
 

Tenck

Member
Right, but that breaks Shadow Blade on anyone. I would think it would be better to have the extra damage that the zero stats or damage from Blink Dagger. Heart makes sense too though.

The thing about blink dagger though is you have the surprise attack. With shadowblade if you get caught, they know who to attack and keep attacking. With Blink dagger, you catch them by surprise, and by the time they decide what meepo to attack, you already poofed all your meepos on them and most likely right clicked them down with every meepo.
 

Hylian7

Member
The thing about blink dagger though is you have the surprise attack. With shadowblade if you get caught, they know who to attack and keep attacking. With Blink dagger, you catch them by surprise, and by the time they decide what meepo to attack, you already poofed all your meepos on them and most likely right clicked them down with every meepo.
1.09 was saying just yesterday that Blink on any carry is "out" though because of the lack of stats and the fact that you can buy other stuff instead.
 

Tenck

Member
1.09 was saying just yesterday that Blink on any carry is "out" though because of the lack of stats and the fact that you can buy other stuff instead.

Drums would be interesting too. Move into position fast and just net and poof. I'll probably try that out one of these days.
 
I honestly doubt it, he's a good hero but he's also very squishy. I haven't been watching competitive recently though, has he been picked up consistently and winning? If he's a niche pick, he won't get nerfed. Icefraud rarely nerfs, and when he does, it's usually only ever the tier 1 instapick comp. heroes or the default first phase ban heroes (of course there are exceptions occasionally, i.e. see ursa slap on the wrist nerf).

Pfft!

http://www.twitch.tv/curseentertainment/c/2252738

http://www.twitch.tv/curseentertainment/c/2252758

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIl-xXpIIys


holla at those. Sure enough it may just be a matter of teams simply not being accustomed to him yet. But...well watch those and let me know what ya think! They're all real, real short. :3

1.09 was saying just yesterday that Blink on any carry is "out" though because of the lack of stats and the fact that you can buy other stuff instead.

I really, really miss blink Tiny. Having to walk up to people is just...MEH. Without Wisp or Drums...blah.
 
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