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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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shira

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http://www.joindota.com/en/livestreams/683-beyondthesummittv1

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#thosewhocantplaycast
 

Aselith

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Does Skywrath lose to Silencer?

Anyway - QPAD with dat Skywrath first pick + the combo with Sprout. Good heroes so far, but they'll need supports.

He's got a low cooldown, low cost nuke so probably not in laning. I mean Silencer certainly takes him out of team fights with his ult but it'd be fairly simple to pick up bkb for that if needed.

Omai, Slardar pick up!
 

F#A#Oo

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I don't like EE's commentating...his voice is grating and his input isn't as neutral as one would expect from someone who's commentating...I prefer my commentators to play devils advocate on insight.
 

Sibylus

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Well WCG has been pretty irrelevant for a long time now. Even after all of these years they still can't produce a well run event.
Truer words have never been spoken. Last time I tuned into one of their events, one of their official stream never took down their overlay for hours. Had to watch the games framed in a gigantic WCG overlay that took up half the screen or something.
 

Soule

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What is happening with this game :\ Looks like a remake but EE constantly asking what's going on

"Skywrath frist pick? What is going on??" and then Lumi tried to give some insight so it turned into a circle of stupid tangent for a minute or two. If you don't like the pick just say so, say why and move on... First game watching with EE casting don't really like his style so far
 

shira

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I don't like EE's commentating...his voice is grating and his input isn't as neutral as one would expect from someone who's commentating...I prefer my commentators to play devils advocate on insight.

Your prayer is answered. Only EE's mic working
 

BeesEight

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That's not how you should be playing Treant though. You don't want the game to go to the late game. He's an absurdly powerful early/midgame tower-diving team-healing timing-push aggressor. Fnatic's plan was all over the place and they let themselves get pushed in by Prophet and Lycan.

I mean I'll take more Treant buffs since apparently I'm the only person in the world who plays this hero all the time, but shit. He's good where he is and for what he does.

Yeah but you win with everything.

Except Sniper.

I agree that Fnatic's line-up wasn't great for Tree but I see that as a weakness of the hero himself. He's not strong enough to warrant a strict line-up tailored for him. I think Living Armour can be used in two ways. There's the hyper-aggression and push but then we're going to be comparing him to similar heroes like Chen and Enchantress. It can also be used for turtling and keeping your other lanes alive but then you're dragging out the game to the point where he's useless.

For early/mid dominance, his Guise is pretty useless (much like it is late game when supports can buy detection). In fact, I think Guise is a pretty poor ability all around. But if you want to win by the thirty minute mark, that's fine since you won't be maxing your other skills out anyway. This leaves us Leech Seed and Overgrowth. Leech is good for diving but the mana cost coupled with constant Armour spam means you're going to be mana hungry and needing arcane boots but we're kind of pressed for time to farm.

And for early/mid Overgrowth's lack of damage kind of hurts. All it does is hold people in place but you won't have a lot of damage from your carries since the game is really early. Tree won't be doing much damage himself so you're relying on early nukers to make this work. And this goes back to needing a specific line-up for a hero that is very inflexible and doesn't offer a lot.

Conversely, we could pick up an Enchantress or Chen for early aggression and both scale far better into the late game. And they don't have the issue of where to lane them like Tree does.

Speaking of which, how do you lane Protector?
 
Dignitas with that BM Bounty last minute pick. Eughhhhhh.

And is there any solo mid (that gets through - bat might be close, but if anticipated and the Skywrath had an early wand I think would lose
people mostly jungle/safe bat lately anyway
) that beats Skywrath currently? If left to his own devices in mid without a gank before he leaves himself to look for kills, I think he becomes too dangerous. Though you could say that about a lot of heroes. QoP for the rune control battle or maybe Nightstalker? Puck as well if the play is good I suppose.
 

Sibylus

Banned
Envy is intolerable as a backseat driver, holy shirt.

"Oh, here's a minute irregularity, let me pick at it like a scab for five minutes and eat it"
 

Soule

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I dunno if QPandas are improving or this is a bad game by Dignitas, either way I'm quietly hoping for them to get through to the International 3 but not expecting much.
 

Stahsky

A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
Envy is intolerable as a backseat driver, holy shirt.

"Oh, here's a minute irregularity, let me pick at it like a scab for five minutes and eat it"



Yeah, but Lumi seems to be looking for a fight in these conversations with Envy. These two definitely do not work well together, imo.
 

Drkirby

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Only $3k away from reaching the first goal of the Compendium, giving us our 3 month Battle Bonuses, unless Valve Chickens out of it.
 

SamVimes

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Dignitas with that BM Bounty last minute pick. Eughhhhhh.

And is there any solo mid (that gets through - bat might be close, but if anticipated and the Skywrath had an early wand I think would lose
people mostly jungle/safe bat lately anyway
) that beats Skywrath currently? If left to his own devices in mid without a gank before he leaves himself to look for kills, I think he becomes too dangerous. Though you could say that about a lot of heroes. QoP for the rune control battle or maybe Nightstalker? Puck as well if the play is good I suppose.

OD.
 
So thinking about it more. Viper might be a good matchup for Skywrath, but the main issue would be that Skywrath has a huge move speed advantage. Maybe if he was buffed a bit in that department.


MMm. That is a good one. Hasn't been seen much recently. Another hero where it's much better to have/ban the Nyx. Also somewhat situational depending on the rest of Skywrath's team, as the ult won't do too much to him.
 

Stahsky

A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
Some guys Sheever knows (and Sheever) casting Staff Cup on Sheever's channel?
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Sheever


Eh. From what I've heard from EE on MAAD and elsewhere, having an opinion that differs from his seems like grounds for having an argument with him.



I'm all for hating on EE, but aside from rarely talking, he hasn't done anything wrong here. Lumi is being silly, though.
 

Sibylus

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It isn't about a right or wrong party, it's about letting something go so that the flow of the broadcast isn't diverted. Neither party are blameless in that, but EE gives that vibe off quite strongly anytime he's brought to a cast or a roundtable.
 

SamVimes

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So thinking about it more. Viper might be a good matchup for Skywrath, but the main issue would be that Skywrath has a huge move speed advantage. Maybe if he was buffed a bit in that department.



MMm. That is a good one. Hasn't been seen much recently. Another hero where it's much better to have/ban the Nyx. Also somewhat situational depending on the rest of Skywrath's team, as the ult won't do too much to him.

I'm just talking about laning, i don't think OD fares well against him at all in a teamfight. Puck's pretty much the same, even though he can't shut down the skywrath mage as hard during the laning phase.
 

Drkirby

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Stop going orchid on her. Seriously. She's fine as long as you can pair her in a solo vs solo lane and start forcing rotations out of the enemy.

What kind of Item Build up do you suggest? Looking at my last few games, I have Rushed an Orchid then some item to help Tank up (Heart one game, AC Anther, BKB a Third), but it really doesn't work out that well. Our team wins, but I don't feel like I actually contribute much other then being a distraction.
 
Also - Ancient Seal or Concussive Shot max second on Sky? Obviously you max Arcane Bolt first and have at least one early point in the other two (taking ult when possible), but I'm not sure about the other two. The slow doesn't scale on Concussive - latter points on both aren't worth as much as the initial one since after the first point the benefits are all linear. Leaning towards Seal in most cases.
 
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