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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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BeesEight

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And this is why I don't bet.

I, personally, think Treant needs a few more tweaks. Living armour is good but his ultimate and guise are still questionable. And his early game impact I don't feel makes up for his late game irrelevancy.
 
Stahsky

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A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
Loda apparently pissed at Lumi for something he said about Trixi. Anyone catch what he said?
 
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n0b

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Where did Na'Vi run the Bristleback? I'm curious because the bristle didn't seem to have much farm when I tuned in.
 
Stahsky

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n0b said:
Where did Na'Vi run the Bristleback? I'm curious because the bristle didn't seem to have much farm when I tuned in.
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Solo safe lane against a Naix I believe. Or am I going crazy
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Stahsky said:
Solo safe lane against a Naix I believe. Or am I going crazy
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Solo safe against a semi-roaming tri with LS, Shadow Demon and...shit I can't remember the other.

edit: 3rd in the tri was undying. Treeant mid and Storm solo bot.

Bristle gave up first blood but did his job after that: he stayed alive and dealed lots of quill damage. One armlet toggle chase in particular lead to 3 Fnatic deaths.
 
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F#A#Oo

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Dreams-Visions said:
I don't know if Tree needs more. I do think Fnatic's plan was poor. They put him mid to try to shut down Sky, but then played him like a poor man's Tidehunter (no farm after a certain point), 2-trick pony. He's not a carry, so you don't expect him to do a lot of work offensively unless you farm him. Invis was never used offensively to set up team ganks or anything. SS and LS wasted a lot of time tping to defend towers instead of farming. I just feel like they misused Tree (or, underutilized his Q). One day teams will realize that he can invis the whole fucking team and take over jungles.
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Hmm...you might be right. I think Natures guise needs a bigger range...and maybe less fade time and this ulti needs some more utility...maybe add a damage amplifier but lessen the stun time?

In general though I think treant is fine he just needs a couple of subtle changes to maybe change the way people play him.
 
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Artanisix

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BeesEight said:
And this is why I don't bet.

I, personally, think Treant needs a few more tweaks. Living armour is good but his ultimate and guise are still questionable. And his early game impact I don't feel makes up for his late game irrelevancy.
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That's not how you should be playing Treant though. You don't want the game to go to the late game. He's an absurdly powerful early/midgame tower-diving team-healing timing-push aggressor. Fnatic's plan was all over the place and they let themselves get pushed in by Prophet and Lycan.

I mean I'll take more Treant buffs since apparently I'm the only person in the world who plays this hero all the time, but shit. He's good where he is and for what he does.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Artanisix said:
That's not how you should be playing Treant though. You don't want the game to go to the late game. He's an absurdly powerful early/midgame tower-diving team-healing timing-push aggressor. Fnatic's plan was all over the place and they let themselves get pushed in by Prophet and Lycan.

I mean I'll take more Treant buffs since apparently I'm the only person in the world who plays this hero all the time, but shit. He's good where he is and for what he does.
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Sensei has spoken.
 
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Dreams-Visions said:
Solo safe against a semi-roaming tri with LS, Shadow Demon and...shit I can't remember the other.
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Undying. Not the best combo.

BeesEight said:
And this is why I don't bet.

I, personally, think Treant needs a few more tweaks. Living armour is good but his ultimate and guise are still questionable. And his early game impact I don't feel makes up for his late game irrelevancy.
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I don't know if you remake his spells or just tweak him. I'm not a fan of guise personally, so I wouldn't mind if that got completely redone/removed. Pretty sure he's had other spells in that spot over the course of Dota history. Ultimate I think would be fine (perhaps too good) if it did Leech Seed damage based on the current level ala Luna's Eclipse. Might make him too close to Tidehunter in that regard though. Probably best for a redesign on that as well. Currently it doesn't really do anything except in niche setups that can get a lot out of immobile targets.

Living Armor I like, but it's really strong in comparison to the rest of his kit which is pretty weak. Maybe when you buff/change his other stuff you increase the mana cost on this by ~5-15 at most. Still spammable, but not quite as much.

But what do I know - there was that blog post the other day that proved Tree was really good lately. I think I'd want to see changes more because I don't think he's that fun to play right now with a weird mix of absurdly high base damage and primarily defensive support skills.
 
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sorijealut

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Guys, guys! I just got an idear.
What if we make a comprehensive google doc guide for the teams in TI3 for in-depth analysis and predictions, all Gaffers must win!

derp ban me plz
 
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Hylian7

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Radec said:
Overgrowth + Vacuum, will it work normally like an RP(without the stun)?
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Yeah, but I think the beauty of RP is the fact that you have Skewer with it and can bring the RP'd victims wherever you want, whether that's through a Dark Seer wall (torro, torro!), following up with a Ravage, Black Hole, or just bringing them into your team in general if you have enough damage to kill them.

I still think Tree is kind of garbage. He only really has Living Armor going for him. If you have him with some counter push, you could use it to keep your towers alive, giving your carries room to farm, but I feel like Overgrowth is still a poor man's Tidehunter at the end of the day.
 
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Tryckser said:
Even after a year, still one of the best plays I have ever seen. That Naga counter was just amazing, best scene of TI2 :D
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Yeah, doesn't get old. Especially when you remember that sleeped units could still be vacuumed (even if they didn't take the damage) then. So quick on all the reactions it's really impossible to figure out what is happening at 1x speed.

Just imagine that shit with a Magnus (who wasn't in yet)!
 
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Hylian7

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I'm on my phone right now, so I can't find it quickly, but I remember someone did a 1000FPS slowed down version of "the play" that really shows off how good the game looks, even in slow motion.
 
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sorijealut

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Tenck said:
All this TI2 VOD reminds me about is the fans chanting "USA USA USA" for Na'Vi.

Hilarious shit.
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Dreams-Visions

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KingKong said:
I'm looking at the Compendium (http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2013/05/dota-2-ti-compendium/) and it's so well done. This is really a step above what Valve has been doing with TF2 updates and comics and I thought those were really clever
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I really like it. I wasted an hour yesterday researching for my predictions. My qualifier predictions are based on the picks/bans and rosters from about 100 pro matches over the last 2 months, so I think my shit is rather solid. But we'll see.
 
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Zia

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KingKong said:
I'm looking at the Compendium (http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2013/05/dota-2-ti-compendium/) and it's so well done. This is really a step above what Valve has been doing with TF2 updates and comics and I thought those were really clever
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TF2... updates? C-c-comics? I think I remember those.

I agree, the Compendium's a treasure. I sincerely thought they would sell a bajillion but it seems Dreams-Visions and other regulars knew better.
 
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Artanisix

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SamVimes said:
Yeah but in fgc they usually chant USA when they win a round against a japanese player since they realize they don't have many chances. In dota they straight up chant it for ukrainians.
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I remember FGC chanting USA for Poongko many times bro. And Poongko ain't no 'murican.

The USA chant is pretty much for whoever is AMERICA'S CHAMPION
 
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n0b

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awwyeahgurrl said:
Well WCG has been pretty irrelevant for a long time now. Even after all of these years they still can't produce a well run event.
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Yeah, its pretty much a favor. WCG is always one of the most incompetently run events.

Artanisix said:
I remember FGC chanting USA for Poongko many times bro. And Poongko ain't no 'murican.

The USA chant is pretty much for whoever is AMERICA'S CHAMPION
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Yeah, that was a fun time. USA CHANT IS FOR UNDERDOG SLAYERS OF EVIL.
 
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