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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Artanisix

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A lot of people tend to go tanky on him. I think its a waste.

In the late game, your link ability will steal all the damage off their carry rather quickly and give it to you, might as well use it.

Get yourself a desolator, and a lot of attack speed. This will stack both your damage, along with his fed carry damage, plus a great attack speed. The harder their carry snowballs, the harder his whole team will die, provided you can steal said damage.

Stack with a troll warlord ult and roflstomp.

It's actually irrelevant how much damage is on the enemy carry. They can go into the negatives and you can still keep stealing it.
 

Sliver

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I've gotta say I really don't like the way EE plays...they always drag out games and farm. Was like that when he was in NTH as well.
 
It's actually irrelevant how much damage is on the enemy carry. They can go into the negatives and you can still keep stealing it.

I know it keeps removing in case they get a buff in damage, but I thought it stopped giving you more?

Edit: and no it doesn't heal you, that would be hilarious though!
 

JustinBB7

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Trying solo q now and it said I won't get battlepoint bonus because I'm in low priority.. wat? Is this a bug?

I can talk too, any everybody else said they are not in low priority. (well 1 guy responded)
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
I've gotta say I really don't like the way EE plays...they always drag out games and farm. Was like that when he was in NTH as well.

When you play against a tinker, you often have no choice. KP played that game pretty well, getting reckless and diving to early against a tinker + mag is a good way to throw a game.
 

shira

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tactical series switch
 
God damn.... whole team decides it is better to initiate on a 2500hp DK than on a 1100hp clinkz when I have Axe and can just onehit Clinkz after everyone did a hit on him...

Darthy, if you are a Gaffer, you are the worst DOTA player ever :(
 

Baha

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Tobi is pretty terrible with details during casting but the one thing I always give him credit for is predicting the drafts, even if it was on the wrong team. Dat Drow pick.
 

Forkball

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Man, fuck this, its my birthday and I've lost three games in a row, including both as Phantom Lancer and Troll

You learned a valuable lesson: never play with Forkball. Especially when I pick Elder Titan twice in a row. I don't know how we lost that last game though, it was just one bad dive and then moments later it was the end of the game.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
You learned a valuable lesson: never play with Forkball. Especially when I pick Elder Titan twice in a row. I don't know how we lost that last game though, it was just one bad dive and then moments later it was the end of the game.

Normally we do fine! We usually win together
 
Man, fuck this, its my birthday and I've lost three games in a row, including both as Phantom Lancer and Troll

I just lost solo queue game as troll, this mode is garbage. My lich maxed frost armor and one point in sacrifice, two points in nuke, constantly blew his ult outside of team fights. I cannot comprehend what just happened, how do you screw up the ultimate noob hero?

Pudge constantly missed his hooks, WR went forcestaff + blink having literally no utility and didn't even land 90% of his shackles with super positioning, tiny went arcane + blink, becoming useless after 20 mins... I could go on but this just a rant :(.
 
Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?
 

RS4-

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Ugh had a game with Mithrandir and sorry, can't remember who played Bane.

Treant on our team forgets that he can heal towers. Meanwhile our NS goes o-fer.
 
So about two or three weeks ago I made the transition from HoN over to DotA 2 entirely. It's a bit of a learning curve, but not too much. I don't miss concedes as much as I thought I would. The biggest thing I miss is not having wards and consumables at the SS, and no default courier. I find myself warding WAY less than I did in HoN and it really negatively impacts the game. I need to get in the habit of getting more wards, but it takes forever to wait for the courier.

I still need a lot of practice to get any sort of proficiency in this as I wasn't all that great in HoN as it was. I'm still having a lot of trouble being aggressive enough to play a ganker or a carry and I've found myself relegated to support roles.
 

Hylian7

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Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

He's good at climbing out of the trench.
 
Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

No hero has zero teamfight presence. That's just dumb.
 

ant_

not characteristic of ants at all
Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

Viper is one of the best solo killers in the game. I just farm up treads/aquila and then go around killing out of position supports or counter-gank. Drow and Viper are completely different types of heroes.
 

Guesong

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Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

You pick Viper to make your opponent early game absolute hell. Poison Attack + Nethertoxin harass makes any other midlane hero feel miserable in pubs.

Of course, late game with Farm, Drow > Viper. But not so early game.



Kirby I need some coaching for betting appropriately, with Liquid losing the first match I'm apparantly on course to have lost the third of my item collection in 3 days...didn't win a single match yet. >_>
 

Tenck

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So about two or three weeks ago I made the transition from HoN over to DotA 2 entirely. It's a bit of a learning curve, but not too much. I don't miss concedes as much as I thought I would. The biggest thing I miss is not having wards and consumables at the SS, and no default courier. I find myself warding WAY less than I did in HoN and it really negatively impacts the game. I need to get in the habit of getting more wards, but it takes forever to wait for the courier.

I still need a lot of practice to get any sort of proficiency in this as I wasn't all that great in HoN as it was. I'm still having a lot of trouble being aggressive enough to play a ganker or a carry and I've found myself relegated to support roles.


That default courier is awesome from HoN. Was playing recently with a friend of mine and he casually told me "we get a courier in the beginning of a match." Beats not getting one in Dota 2 even though everyone randoms and has like a bajillion more gold to spare for a damn walking courier.
 

Tenck

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Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

You forgot to add he slows down attack speed and has a passive that absolutely wrecks people. Also that attacking him hurts you.

And last but not least her passive dies when you get close enough, which viper excels at.
 

JustinBB7

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So sick of this shit. Took their mid rax at 30 mins, they called gg, 2 guys on my team constantly typing -ping and disconnecting, eventually lost the game at fucking 68 minutes thanks to a PL.
 
Odd how Nyx Assassin has been slipping through to the second pick phase recently. I suppose people figure they know how to deal with him (predictable), but that doesn't make him any less scary IMO. The stun alone is brutal, even if you don't get much accomplished with your other spells. Though I suppose with the prevalence of Lifestealer he's less powerful.
 

Artanisix

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Odd how Nyx Assassin has been slipping through to the second pick phase recently. I suppose people figure they know how to deal with him (predictable), but that doesn't make him any less scary IMO. The stun alone is brutal, even if you don't get much accomplished with your other spells. Though I suppose with the prevalence of Lifestealer he's less powerful.

Yeah, it's mostly that people have learned how to deal with him. He's still strong, but an early gem crushes him and it's not that hard to wait out his carapace.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Odd how Nyx Assassin has been slipping through to the second pick phase recently. I suppose people figure they know how to deal with him (predictable), but that doesn't make him any less scary IMO. The stun alone is brutal, even if you don't get much accomplished with your other spells. Though I suppose with the prevalence of Lifestealer he's less powerful.

2 many good heroes right now bro; i don't think you can ever "deal with" nyx, he'll always be strong. But LD, rubick, kotl, lifestealer, dark seer, furion, batrider, wisp, shadow demon, and gyro are all strong and trending too. u gotta prioritize.

edit: he's still first banned a lot in china as well
 

Hylian7

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So about two or three weeks ago I made the transition from HoN over to DotA 2 entirely. It's a bit of a learning curve, but not too much. I don't miss concedes as much as I thought I would. The biggest thing I miss is not having wards and consumables at the SS, and no default courier. I find myself warding WAY less than I did in HoN and it really negatively impacts the game. I need to get in the habit of getting more wards, but it takes forever to wait for the courier.

I still need a lot of practice to get any sort of proficiency in this as I wasn't all that great in HoN as it was. I'm still having a lot of trouble being aggressive enough to play a ganker or a carry and I've found myself relegated to support roles.

I didn't know wards and consumables were sold at the side shop (secret shop too?). That sounds kind of broken. Can you get sentries too I'm assuming? I feel like that would break Dota if those things were sold at the side shop.

On the free courier thing though, I'm on the fence about how I feel on that. It is a tactical decision on who spends part of their starting gold to buy a courier, especially in bad All Random situations, where you have to make a decision to run something like a support Naga Siren (which actually works!). On the other hand, it's a real pain in the ass when the support forgets/refuses to buy the courier and you're stuck without one until someone takes the XP hit to walk or TP back and buy one, and they still have to walk at least one way regardless.
 

SamVimes

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Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

And what's with those OD pickers? Don't they realize that Drow's orb cost way less mana and also slows?
 
I didn't know wards and consumables were sold at the side shop (secret shop too?). That sounds kind of broken. Can you get sentries too I'm assuming? I feel like that would break Dota if those things were sold at the side shop.

On the free courier thing though, I'm on the fence about how I feel on that. It is a tactical decision on who spends part of their starting gold to buy a courier, especially in bad All Random situations, where you have to make a decision to run something like a support Naga Siren (which actually works!). On the other hand, it's a real pain in the ass when the support forgets/refuses to buy the courier and you're stuck without one until someone takes the XP hit to walk or TP back and buy one, and they still have to walk at least one way regardless.

You can get health/mana pots and observers but no sentry at the secret shop in HoN. In HoN that's basically all the secret shop sells, as all other items are just sold at base. The side shop only has early laning items and portals, not consumables, as in DotA. I sort of feel like harass and leaving lane in HoN was much more punishing than in DotA, so having those there was nice. The free courier... I dunno. It's four last hits to pay for one so it's not like they set you back that much, basically, but it alleviates the problem of your support not buying them. In HoN support usually buys wards instead of a courier. In HoN couriers perma-die as well, so if it gets killed it's somewhat of a bigger pain in the ass.

Edit: I forgot to mention that one thing I don't like is the cooldown on Gems in Dota 2. In HoN you can buy as many as you want. I think at times it makes dealing with stealthing carries much harder to deal with.
 

Kenaras

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Why would anyone pick viper?

Seriously, I got him in an all random game yesterday and I can't find any reason to pick him over drow ranger.

Viper' orb slows less than drow's, and while his ult slows even more and does some decent damage over time, drow can actually sustain that slow forever, and I will take her +80 damage and +80 attack speed any day over viper's ult.

Furthermore, viper has ZERO teamfight presence while drow can silence a whole team for a long time and turn a fight around.

Again why would anyone pick viper?

While I agree that Drow Ranger is better overall, Viper isn't without advantages:

- Significantly more durable.
- Still effective in melee range.
- Better last-hitting at early levels.
- Slows attack speed as well as movement speed.
- BKB-piercing slows.

Viper is better in lane and also is less item dependant. He's not a 1 but he's definitely solid in the 2-3 position. I still say that aghs viper is the best way to go on him unless you have to be the carry. Orchids/Pipe/Mek are all good pick ups on him as well, I view him as a flexible utility damage dealer.

Yeah, I see him as a semi-carry, not a true carry like Drow. He's capable of snowballing pretty hard, but usually in the late game he needs to start focusing on utility over raw damage.
 
Viper is better in lane and also is less item dependant. He's not a 1 but he's definitely solid in the 2-3 position. I still say that aghs viper is the best way to go on him unless you have to be the carry. Orchids/Pipe/Mek are all good pick ups on him as well, I view him as a flexible utility damage dealer.
 
So the compendium has raised 200k in 4 days.

$1 million actually seems possible.

Depends on how front heavy it is. I could see a lot of pickups closer to TI3 from people succumbing to the hype and who may be new to Dota 2 or only play very casually (perhaps turned off after a couple games), but the value from getting it earlier due to the BP bonus is pretty high.
 
I could see that number go up A LOT this very weekend. A lot of people cant or wont play during the week. And when they do llay this weekend and see the compendium, as well as the battle bonus being shared, I could easily see this going to 500k+ by sunday night.
 
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