The biggest throw in the history of throws.
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The biggest throw in the history of throws.
SteveWinwood
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Did you see your guys scores?
Do you see the ancients?
I'm not sure what's worse, you using a calculator to know how much 10x125 is or that Shadow Shaman
May as well try to do replay takeover if it still works (not sure if that works anymore) and see if bots/wards woulda won the game to drive the point home.
I'm not sure what's worse, you using a calculator to know how much 10x125 is or that Shadow Shaman
lol I thought that too just didn't wanna point it out
You have to have 10 people to do it. Otherwise it just doesn't put in the people you don't have players for.
Also I wasn't thinking about the math when I did that calculation. Was a derp moment.
I'm pretty sure the wards would've won the game, they only had earth spirit defending and SS could've bought back and bot'd at the same time as hyllian did.
Worst part is that he wasn't even able to trap dudes in the wards, what a fucking dunce.
Edit: Okay, not worst, but if you're going to do something that stupid at least try to do it right.
I can understand his frustration, something similar happened to me once(Alch instead of SS) and I got really fucking mad at the dude. Sometimes this game just brings the worst out of you.
I'm sorry but that's common sense that you can just go win the game instead of not winning the game. Missing your stun, not ward trapping someone, fine, that shit happens, but that is absolutely huge. I said almost nothing negative to him the entire game until then, and even then I don't think he saw what I said because he DC'd if I'm not mistaken as soon as the ancient dropped.
thacker could at least read a map
e: or are we growing this from south americans playing on the north american servers to anyone playing on anyone else's server
e2: assuming e situation given your location
that video was hard to watch... you should adjust the levels on your microphone.
I'm not trying to troll, I swear. I just don't get why mmr is so important. It's not worth getting that upset over, when you hit 4k (it's bound to happen if you play long enough) there's gonna be just as many shitty feeders there too.... and it's not like having a higher mmr is going to win you anything.... and it's not like your gonna be getting sponsors or going pro (no offense). So what's the point?
I would imagine it's because you want to get better at the game, and mmr is a nice way to see that happening. But loosing matches because your teammates are crap (or winning because they done good) doesn't make any difference in your skill level. The only thing MMR is doing is causing you grief.
Whether you win or loose, the more you play the better you'll get... but if your pissed at the game so much it's just gonna make you want to quit and then your mmr really wont matter.
I'm not trying to troll, I swear. I just don't get why mmr is so important. It's not worth getting that upset over, when you hit 4k (it's bound to happen if you play long enough) there's gonna be just as many shitty feeders there too.... and it's not like having a higher mmr is going to win you anything.... and it's not like your gonna be getting sponsors or going pro (no offense). So what's the point?
I would imagine it's because you want to get better at the game, and mmr is a nice way to see that happening. But loosing matches because your teammates are crap (or winning because they done good) doesn't make any difference in your skill level. The only thing MMR is doing is causing you grief.
Whether you win or loose, the more you play the better you'll get... but if your pissed at the game so much it's just gonna make you want to quit and then your mmr really wont matter.
Didn't you get the memo? We changed the country the bad dota players are from this month from Peru to South Africa.
rhophiehalul78
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I agree with you. MMR will only cause stress if you let it be the main motivation for playing this game. I myself has only participated in 1 ranked match so I dont know my MMR but I'm guessing I'm around 2500
i still dont get it
youre angry because your teammate didnt want to go for the base race with you? the fact that you have to engage in base race means somebody fucked up beforehand. I dont get why youre so angry at SS.
You wouldnt have lost the game if you had defended instead - since you already had 3 lanes of megas. you just had to repel them and then just push later.
youre just being a huge asshole who cant see your own mistakes. did you see how much damage their ancients took when you went for it? the base race was DUMB. it was the WRONG CALL because you already had a guaranteed win in megas and yet you BoT'ed to do shit all damage to their ancient. whats the point? even if you would have won if SS BoT'd as well, defending and pushing later is just a safer choice.
lol "that shadow shaman threw the game for us" - dude you were asking for a base race against ursa and huskar. "biggest throw in the history of throws" no, that game was already lost before that.
basically you were trying to do an xpeke but then you do like 30 damage per auto.
youre angry because your teammate didnt want to go for the base race with you? the fact that you have to engage in base race means somebody fucked up beforehand. I dont get why youre so angry at SS.
You wouldnt have lost the game if you had defended instead - since you already had 3 lanes of megas. you just had to repel them and then just push later.
youre just being a huge asshole who cant see your own mistakes. did you see how much damage their ancients took when you went for it? the base race was DUMB. it was the WRONG CALL because you already had a guaranteed win in megas and yet you BoT'ed to do shit all damage to their ancient. whats the point? even if you would have won if SS BoT'd as well, defending and pushing later is just a safer choice.
lol "that shadow shaman threw the game for us" - dude you were asking for a base race against ursa and huskar. "biggest throw in the history of throws" no, that game was already lost before that.
basically you were trying to do an xpeke but then you do like 30 damage per auto.
my point is if youre winning so hard, then why are you base racing
also, what is the point of pudge going to the enemy ancient when he does like 30 damage per auto. he shouldve defended, SS shouldve went. either that or both defend. it was pointless for pudge to be the first to TP
also, what is the point of pudge going to the enemy ancient when he does like 30 damage per auto. he shouldve defended, SS shouldve went. either that or both defend. it was pointless for pudge to be the first to TP
I'm quite aware that everyone (including myself) on our team fucked up beforehand. I BoT'sd in because I knew we had no hope of successfully defending our base, and would be better off attempting a base race. There was no way were taking a teamfight against that team. When I went in, I figured SS would buyback and follow. It was the only logical thing to do. Why he didn't do that, I have no idea. However I think everyone can agree that regardless what happened before, we could have won the game right there, and did not because of that Shadow Shaman
Exactly what I thought while watching it.
tsunami643
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Rhasta wards do Piercing damage which do 35% damage against structures. Additionally, the ancient itself has 15 armor, which provides ~47.4% damage reduction, and 4k HP.
I don't have a calculator on hand, but it would have taken faaaaar longer than 3s to kill the ancient.
I don't have a calculator on hand, but it would have taken faaaaar longer than 3s to kill the ancient.
Fair enough, but it would still have been faster than the other team.
same logic applies
you couldve won the game (before), but didn't because of X. I dont know why you'd blame the loss solely SS. I mean it makes sense psychologically because this is the direct cause of loss, and what he had to do was so simple - but i'm pretty sure you should blame whoever got you in this situation.
this is not the "greatest throw in history", its merely a sad missed opportunity.
you couldve won the game (before), but didn't because of X. I dont know why you'd blame the loss solely SS. I mean it makes sense psychologically because this is the direct cause of loss, and what he had to do was so simple - but i'm pretty sure you should blame whoever got you in this situation.
this is not the "greatest throw in history", its merely a sad missed opportunity.
also given those numbers, ursa and huskar probably wouldve out damaged SS wards
Sorry hylian but they're right, it was the wrong decision to base race when your team had three mega lanes and they only had one. You should have defended and let the mega creeps take theit ancients. SS did the right thing to defend, IMO.
Edit: also there is absolutely no way in hell that you would have won that base race with just SS and Pudge.
Edit: also there is absolutely no way in hell that you would have won that base race with just SS and Pudge.
Pretty much. This was team beef and rat/push doto was the only thing keeping us in it to begin with. We didn't exactly have the teamfight to fight that team 5v5.
I also don't think a lot of people realize that if we tried to defend, we would have been teamwiped immediately and lost the game right there.
Edit: I wish there was more in the replay takeover mode. Maybe setting up AI scripts for players that you don't have players for or stuff like that. I would love to test out some of these "What ifs" but can't without 10 people.
if you cant defend, and base racing is a 50/50 at best - you've already lost.
so relax and stop yelling at SS
tsunami643
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I'm skeptical about that, but I'd suggest creating a lobby to test it. In a best case scenario (Rhasta TPs in the same time as you, doesn't get silenced by ES, no wards get killed, the enemy glyph doesn't come up in the next 10 seconds) you have around a 5 second head start on the enemy team. If Agh Rhasta wards can kill the ancient in ~15 seconds, then you could have possibly won.
Yeah I don't get why Hylian TP'd in by himself as a Pudge. Maybe if he was a farmed Luna or something that could actually do some substantial damage to an ancient it would have made some sense. But he was Pudge and it was a poor decision to TP in alone without first coordinating with maybe his SS or NP to go in together for the base race. Never assume anything about your teammates following your lead. Maybe you said something in game and they ignored you, but lack of coordination definitely lost the game it seems. It would have still been pretty close even if SS went with you with the ES back there to disrupt things.
Unfortunately I can't simulate all factors of this with replay takeover, but I'm going to try this.
1. Enter Replay Takeover when Shadow Shaman buys back
2. Takeover Shadow Shaman
3. BoTs into radiant base.
4. Drop wards and right click.
5. Time how long it takes.
If anyone has other ideas, throw them out there.
1. Enter Replay Takeover when Shadow Shaman buys back
2. Takeover Shadow Shaman
3. BoTs into radiant base.
4. Drop wards and right click.
5. Time how long it takes.
If anyone has other ideas, throw them out there.
He did tell SS to 'bots in' but then again there's no guarantee he knew what that meant.
BoosterDuck
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When are we getting the Titanfall MOBA?
Game is multiplayer, online, and there are battles in arenas. Sounds like a moba to me.
After Dawngate launches and is shut down < 18 months later?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
The struggle is real in reddit IH for milkman
this is wrong
when you takeover, ES cant pull the megas anymore and they just shit on the ancient. You would've lost.
Reddit to take Travdood tourney???
Earth Spirit would have murdered those wards pretty quick. You wouldn't have gotten enough damage from them. And that's if he wasn't silenced and then killed by the ES instead. Shadow Shaman and Pudge can't base race. It isn't going to work without someone who can tower murder, like an NP with a Deso.
The struggle is real in reddit IH for milkman
not even superior ember build could carry that game
neurosisxeno
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The struggle is real in reddit IH for milkman
Treant with Midas.
Sniper with Basher.
Jugg with Scythe.
WTF AM I LOOKING AT...
Nirvana
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Shadow Shaman can definitely base race, but whether or not in this circumstance it was the right call is a different story. I think I agree that staying to defend might have been better, but when you're in the game you get the feeling of whether you can stand and fight 5v5 or not and if he's saying they couldn't, then maybe a base race would have been better.
Either way, it's 1 loss out of a thousand more to come, that's fucking dota.
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Another successful pub duo with Iron Badger. We're now 2-0! Look out world!
He can help, but he can't solo it the way a Nature's Prophet can. He needs backup, and Pudge doesn't have enough right click to be enough of a backup, especially against an Earth Spirit.
Personally though, I don't care about win/loss. Only how well I play in each game. I've lost games that have been great fun because my hero was doing work. Though it's also a great feeling when you win a game with two disconnects on your side despite having already lost all of your towers. That Disruptor. He's like one giant middle finger to the opposing team.
PS - I'd really like an alternate voice for Enchantress. The constant 'sproink!' nearly drove me insane.
I've recently found success with killing myself after getting basi + ring of regen. Quick respawn, full hp, full mana, and you don't lose any gold if you time it right. Let's you get a 6-7.5 min vlads.
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