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Dota 2 |OT3| #BetterThenEllenPudge
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Gentle Rodriguez
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Even if you do they had way too little lockdown. Alliance had a LOT of lockdown and could kill whenever they wanted to.
Ha, no you didn't. That's what I get for slamming out a response during break time.
It's a pity the all chat is just a small portion of the video's discussion. I'm curious of the changes to the percentage of games that have zero cross-team chat after the opt-in option was implemented. Would this be considered a success if the amount of games without cross-team chat doubled (putting it at 92% of games where teams don't talk to each other - which would mean that we've actually had fewer games with positive chat after the opt-in even though the percentages have increased)! Without knowing how much this affected overall all chat percentages (and I'd be surprised if it didn't in the first week from the very fact many players probably wouldn't have even noticed the change) these results are meaningless. Furthermore, I'm surprised they don't show an analysis over a longer period of time. I doubt this experiment was done the week prior to the conference and if you're analyzing a long term problem one week after implementation is not enough. Are these results consistent after the week? Is it a trend and positive chat changes are even more pronounced? Or did the initial change disappear once players got used to the new system?
Well, I'd argue the mechanics that make your mistakes in Dota 2 so punishing are the same mechanics that make coming back possible. Yes, every time you die in Dota you are losing out on money, time and experience but this cost is a dynamic relationship. Ending a killing spree gives quite a significant amount of gold now which helps to make up for the deficit. Furthermore, items in Dota 2 are of a higher impact. That 900 gold influx might be just the thing needed to get a Scythe which will help to lock down the offending carry or ganker who was snowballing earlier. Unless League has changed, they still don't have any decent control on heroes with the longest stun being two seconds.
I also think League has some more subtle relationships that make it harder to come back after early loses. For one, map control is much more important because of the various objectives around the map. Between the Baron, both team's blue and red buffs and dragon, you have a lot of the map that needs to be protected or assaulted and very few options to cover them. There's less mobility in League (unless it's changed) as the TP scroll was regulated to a summoner skill and almost universally ignored for the much more maligned Flash and getting across the map, even though it's smaller, I think is actually slower. Since League is all about incremental improvements, if you give up a first few early deaths, suddenly their heroes are getting their items faster without any way for you to prevent it. A fed carry in Dota 2 can always be stun locked into death but a fed carry in League has no mechanic to keep her in check.
In Dota, if the enemy carry is getting an early advantage, the easiest response is to apply more pressure to him with your supports and ganker. Back to back deaths on a carry will cripple what lead he gained. In League, you couldn't (and I'll keep it past tense since I've been out of the League sphere for over a season and half) really apply the same amount of pressure to the carry as everyone scaled with items and levels. If you focus on the AD ranged in the bottom lane, suddenly their AP in the middle is given lots of space to farm, push towers and achieve their objectives. You only really had one hero in place to apply pressure - the jungler - and he can't gank as effectively as in Dota because of having to control the jungle and needing to traverse the map without any mobility options. Not to mention that actually killing the carries is made even more problematic with everyone having a built in blink dagger (Flash is the worst).
When I was watching pro games, the vast majority of the time an early gold advantage of about 800-1k would be established in the laning phase and I would just watch that disparity grow and grow over the next twenty or so minutes. Come backs in pro games seemed to be far rarer than in Dota 2 because you can't even rely on the unique strengths of your line-up since the champion design was so every hero fit a specific role and mirrored their colleagues in that role. There were no push teams, no 4 protect 1, no mid game dominance etc...
But I'd argue that these heroes are some of those inherent "rubber banding" mechanics. Furthermore, the dynamic nature of items in Dota 2 helps to cover some of the weaknesses in drafting. As you mentioned, if you don't draft a split pusher but are suddenly on the defence and have to play Alliance-dota, you purchase shadowblades or boots of travel and be able to apply split pushing pressure. In League, your item options were "which stat do I want to improve more?" If you didn't draft enough disable you were out of luck (not that there was a lot of disable in the first place).
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Well, I think Valve is experimenting with some ideas. The chat wheel is great but underused and we have pinging and drawing on mini-map (often misused). As I said, I wouldn't say region locking is a positive especially since there are going to be very few situations where region locking will ensure a game with people that only speak your language. In North America we have French, Spanish and English in rather large percentages from native citizens. Europe would be an even bigger mess. I really think the discourse over Russians and Brazilians ruining every server is a misleading (and slightly racist) one.
Ack, I've got to run now. But I guess that's probably for the best else I'd ramble on for longer.
Another option (that may not work) would be to implement a ping-based region lockout only when queuing with region filters on.
ex 1. Player 1 queues and selects US East + US West for regions. He will be matched only with players that can ping US East or US West with <100 or <150 ping.
ex 2. Player 1 queues, but selects all available regions. He will be matched with anyone that is queuing at the time, no matter the region.
SteveWinwood
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In the wait time I stumbled upon this: http://www.twitch.tv/cheeseheadlogic
Some amateur stuff but they picked Bristle, Undying, Disraptor and Lina so...
Some amateur stuff but they picked Bristle, Undying, Disraptor and Lina so...
manfestival
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is na'vi the loser bracket game?
is the alliance match 2/3 or 3/5? cause 2 wins bro
is the alliance match 2/3 or 3/5? cause 2 wins bro
manfestival
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OOO thank you! This clears everything up. Makes things more exciting now that I know whats actually going on. I never cared for tournaments but now that I work at this place and have a ton of time to kill in between work. It works in my favor
I have the sound off cause I'm at work. Is Sheever trying to jump Puppey? Her face sure looks like she wants to.
Gentle Rodriguez
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God this is the worst.
I walked away, oh my god why is this still going
SteveWinwood
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this interview
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
This is awful.
I hope Na'Vi get embarrassed.
I hope Na'Vi get embarrassed.
MurkyZebra2417
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I wonder why anyone still interviews Puppey. Well, I am kinda entertained though
manfestival
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Neogaf, the land of puppey haters. Lets go Na'VI
Anuxinamoon
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You know what killed the cat, right? The hammer!
Ewww. Cat mush.
Great player, Navi are great fun team, but that guy just isn't funny.
You are right, I'm terrible but have nearly a 60% win rate with him. This video from Blitz goes over some basics about last hitting, farming, and decision making, it helped me get started:
http://youtu.be/zyjPdcfdxlI
Although it does get a little ridiculous at the end because he's so far ahead it's not really teaching you anything. He advocates always going bloodstone first but sometimes I'll go Orchid first if I'm having trouble with quick escapes or stuns. I like him a lot because I tend to play conservative and not die a lot, and he's perfect for that because you can ball lightning out of most situations. Even if you're not being extremely effective at least you're not feeding gold and xp to the enemy.
Awesome, I've been wanted to learn Storm as well.
blitz storm is "i'm not gonna help my team til i finish this selfish item and then i get picks and my then my team will have enough items where we win"
There are better storms you can learn from, and off the top of my head i'd say demon, ee, and kvh all have far better storm spirits then blitz.
Don't get me wrong his storm wins pubs, but its not really what that hero's supposed to do. Storm is amazing with an early orchid, as it allows him to solo pick-off any hero, even carries, and gives him alot of mana regen and damage. The only time i'd advocate bloodstone storm is if you're safelane farming, in which case the soul ring bloodstone build that envy does is really legit.
There are better storms you can learn from, and off the top of my head i'd say demon, ee, and kvh all have far better storm spirits then blitz.
Don't get me wrong his storm wins pubs, but its not really what that hero's supposed to do. Storm is amazing with an early orchid, as it allows him to solo pick-off any hero, even carries, and gives him alot of mana regen and damage. The only time i'd advocate bloodstone storm is if you're safelane farming, in which case the soul ring bloodstone build that envy does is really legit.
Orchid makes more sense to me unless you get like 20 BS charges early and derp around the entire map constantly.
Other don't have a 45 minutes video though.
Well I linked the Blitz one since it has commentary. Is there anything from these people (videos, text guide) with something similar? Just watching someone play isn't going to help me.
Pureauthor
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No Puppey drafts it for him a lot.
well she's level 1 4 minutes into the game so..
Yeah. The image trick to avoid bane is cute but she isn't gaining shit in lane.
I need to rant about something.
I just had a solo ranked game where our solo offline Bristle couldnt stay alive against the other teams WD, CM, and FV tri-lane. After dying to it ~4 times, we asked him to just leave the lane instead of just repeatedly feeding. Instead the dude flys off the handle and starts yelling at me over mic, bitching about not getting any help, no wards, etc etc general blaming everyone else for everything.
Then says he'll show us what feeding is, and starts repeatedly running down mid lane and feeding on purpose.
Why do people fucking do this shit? Why is it so hard for people to act mature in this game? You fucked up, you lost your lane, and you stayed and made it worse. It doesn't matter what the rest of your team did or didn't do. I know it gets frustrating. But turning into a giant baby about it after the fact doesn't make anything better for anyone.
And the absolute worst part about it is that, unless there's a Valve employee in the game, absolutely nothing will be done about this sort of behavior outside of him taking a couple reports for the game and MAYBE getting sent to low priority for a handful of matches.
It's enough to make me want to not play the game sometimes.
I just had a solo ranked game where our solo offline Bristle couldnt stay alive against the other teams WD, CM, and FV tri-lane. After dying to it ~4 times, we asked him to just leave the lane instead of just repeatedly feeding. Instead the dude flys off the handle and starts yelling at me over mic, bitching about not getting any help, no wards, etc etc general blaming everyone else for everything.
Then says he'll show us what feeding is, and starts repeatedly running down mid lane and feeding on purpose.
Why do people fucking do this shit? Why is it so hard for people to act mature in this game? You fucked up, you lost your lane, and you stayed and made it worse. It doesn't matter what the rest of your team did or didn't do. I know it gets frustrating. But turning into a giant baby about it after the fact doesn't make anything better for anyone.
And the absolute worst part about it is that, unless there's a Valve employee in the game, absolutely nothing will be done about this sort of behavior outside of him taking a couple reports for the game and MAYBE getting sent to low priority for a handful of matches.
It's enough to make me want to not play the game sometimes.
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