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Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
I was playing PA, I was a free kill whenever he had his ult up, and it was easy for him to kill me with spin in lane too. Was I doing something wrong?

He shouldn't be able to kill you with spin at all.
You have a blink, just position yourself in a way where you can use it to escape.
You are also faster than him, just by 5 ms, but it means that he shouldn't be able to just run you down before you can back up.

twobear · Jan 20, 2015

Volodja said:
He shouldn't be able to kill you with spin at all.
You have a blink, just position yourself in a way where you can use it to escape.

How do I do that? Creep waves were always too far away.

Manus · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
since the pub metagame at the moment is 'pick jugg and get two free kills with every omnislash', what are good counters to jugg

Ghost Scepter.

Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
How do I do that? Creep waves were always too far away.

Position yourself so they aren't.
Like when you see him coming if you are close to the wave, start walking away from it and when you are far enough blink on the wave you just left.
You are close in speed so he shouldn't just be able to overrun you.

If you are caught in the middle of nowhere with the wave at like 10 seconds away, that's just you messing up, that shouldn't happen. Especially when he shouldn't be able to just run towards you because, again, he isn't faster than you unless he has boots advantage.
I mean you can blink to any unit in the game, there should be something in range for you to escape most of the times.

twobear · Jan 20, 2015

Volodja said:
Position yourself so they aren't.
Like when you see him coming if you are close to the wave, start walking away from it and when you are far enough blink on the wave you just left.
You are close in speed so he shouldn't just be able to overrun you.

If you are caught in the middle of nowhere with the wave at like 10 seconds away, that's just you messing up, that shouldn't happen. especially when he shouldn't be able to just run towards you because, again, he isn't faster than you unless he has boots advantage.

So basically, just play super defensively?

Volodja said:
I mean you can blink to any unit in the game, there should be something in range for you to escape most of the times.

I probably had bad positioning, but it's not an exaggeration to say that there is never something in range for me to blink to.

Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
So basically, just play super defensively?

I wouldn't call it being super defensive.
I'm not saying stay at tower, I'm saying stay in range of a creep to blink to and if he goes on you react accordingly.
It shouldn't require to be that defensive while in lane.
I mean if he just walks towards you, make a judgement call, if you don't have any creep to blink towards away from him, back up a bit, if you do, you can stand there because if he tries to spin, you blink out.
Also as a PA you can get some last hits with dagger without having to stay right up in the wave or you can just slow him when he approaches so he has to spin earlier to reach you.

Drkirby · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
since the pub metagame at the moment is 'pick jugg and get two free kills with every omnislash', what are good counters to jugg

Those are some value ults, I feel normally Jugg only gets 1 free kill per ult.

twobear · Jan 20, 2015

Volodja said:
I wouldn't call it being super defensive.
I'm not saying stay at tower, I'm saying stay in range of a creep to blink to and if he goes on you react accordingly.
It shouldn't require to be that defensive while in lane.
I mean if he just walks towards you, make a judgement call, if you don't have any creep to blink towards away from him, back up a bit, if you do, you can stand there because if he tries to spin, you blink out.
Also as a PA you can get some last hits with dagger without having to stay right up in the wave or you can just slow him when he approaches so he has to spin earlier to reach you.

Thanks for the advice.

Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
Thanks for the advice.

Consider that this is just what I would do, I don't know if it is the best way to play the lane overall.
It also depends on support for both players.

twobear · Jan 20, 2015

Drkirby said:
Those are some value ults, I feel normally Jugg only gets 1 free kill per ult.

He just needs someone to get a couple of hits on another hero and he can take two down easily.

Volodja said:
Consider that this is just what I would do, I don't know if it is the best way to play the lane overall.
It also depends on support for both players.

My support in this game was a totally worthless Warlock that never cast heal on me even once, so that probably didn't help.

Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
He just needs someone to get a couple of hits on another hero and he can take two down easily.

My support in this game was a totally worthless Warlock that never cast heal on me even once, so that probably didn't help.

You don't need him to do anything other than stand a bit far from you so you can blink on him.
If he didn't do that then that's also his fault at positioning, he should be in a position where Jugg can't run him down but give you an avenue of escape.

twobear · Jan 20, 2015

Volodja said:
You don't need him to do anything other than stand a bit far from you so you can blink on him.
If he didn't do that then that's also his fault at positioning, he should be in a position where Jugg can't run him down but give you an avenue of escape.

He was generally right up with the creep wave, autoattacking like a pro.

Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
He was generally right up with the creep wave, autoattacking like a pro.

I should've known.

Madouu · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
Thanks for the advice.

perma right click him to draw the creep towards you , easier last hits. If he want to play aggressive on you then, he will miss cs while you can dagger for yours, if he goes back to the wave to cs then you can get your cs easily. It's like a dance.

Volodja · Jan 20, 2015

Madouu said:
perma right click him to draw the creep towards you , easier last hits.

Oh ya, for a general laning advice with any hero, especially melee, I forgot to mention this.
Right clicking the enemy while in aggro range of the creeps will make them come towards you for a second, they then will reaggro on your creep wave, but in the meantime their position will be shifted closer to you.

sleverfunk · Jan 20, 2015

Secret is already on china with a grill.

Haunted · Jan 20, 2015

Drkirby said:
Ugh, such a horrible CM set, I feel I should share:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=377710875

Some of the people designing and submitting sets like these need a sensibility workshop.

pompidu · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
since the pub metagame at the moment is 'pick jugg and get two free kills with every omnislash', what are good counters to jugg

For pubbing, rush ghost scepter. Pretty much needed with that ridiculous ultimate.

twobear · Jan 20, 2015

to be fair all CM sets are horrible and make her look like a b-tier pornstar

StrongArmSteady · Jan 20, 2015

Kade said:
Please respect Mirana.

Yes.

SneakyStephan · Jan 20, 2015

Drkirby said:
Ugh, such a horrible CM set, I feel I should share:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=377710875

If dota was a mobile game this is what it would look like, fucking nasty

G.ZZZ · Jan 20, 2015

sleverfunk said:
Secret is already on china with a grill.

My boy so stilin' KreyGasm

Acinixys · Jan 20, 2015

godelsmetric said:
to be fair all CM sets are horrible and make her look like a b-tier pornstar

You talking shit about Anuxis set?

The ixMike Mustache set is also pretty good imo

The rest are dumpster tier tho

ksan · Jan 20, 2015

these russian relocates

Pratfall · Jan 20, 2015

snowdrop set is boss. anuxi's sets are godtier

TUSR · Jan 20, 2015

Drkirby said:
Ugh, such a horrible CM set, I feel I should share:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=377710875

looks like something from a destiny of spirits event

Dreavus · Jan 20, 2015

Red doesn't seem like a great colour for CM; clashes a lot with the rest of her palette.

Not a fan of the shoehorned (ha) horns either. "It's the year of the goat? HORNS IT IS."

Acinixys · Jan 20, 2015

Dreavus said:
Red doesn't seem like a great colour for CM; clashes a lot with the rest of her palette.

Not a fan of the shoehorned (ha) horns either. "It's the year of the goat? HORNS IT IS."

Its not even clever. If they wanted to do horns why didnt they make it her hair, or some kind of chick accessory shit like an alice band with baby horns on it?

SteveWinwood · Jan 20, 2015

whats an alice band

Quesa · Jan 20, 2015

SteveWinwood said:
whats an alice band

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alice+band

M.D · Jan 20, 2015

sleverfunk said:
Secret is already on china with a grill.

They managed to get on a plane with a knife? very impressive

SteveWinwood · Jan 20, 2015

Quesa said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alice+band

im making fun of his foreigness

its a head band

Divvy · Jan 20, 2015

EGM is back on Alliance?

Regardless, they are still performing like shit

LiQuid! · Jan 20, 2015

Unable to win a game with Juggernaut for the hero challenge after 4 attempts now. One of my best heroes. I do fine every game but team is consistently too heavy to carry.

This guy I was playing with contends that Batrider was a fine pick in this game...

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1175357999

Look at the enemy lineup... As I said from the start, Batrider does nothing in that game. He went offlane, got level 3 then fucked off into the woods and got like a 15+ minute blink dagger. AM had the easiest game of his life and single handedly carried his team of feeders.

fake edit: actually, I HAVE won with Jugg since I got him in the hero challenge, twice, but both games were eaten by the servers. I've had 5 games eaten by the servers in the last week, all 5 were wins. All my losses manage to count tho! Thanks Volvo!

Madouu · Jan 20, 2015

How much space do Viper/Wisp have to create for their 0-8-0 puck/wk/sk by 25 minutes team to recover? a lot.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1176795990

Dreams-Visions · Jan 20, 2015

Divvy said:
EGM is back on Alliance?

Regardless, they are still performing like shit

outplayed in both games, yea.

Baha · Jan 20, 2015

So Admiral Bulldog is playing with Tinker today?

manfestival · Jan 20, 2015

Divvy said:
EGM is back on Alliance?

Regardless, they are still performing like shit

Yeah but they also lost bulldong and have jokesters in place of real members

Divvy · Jan 20, 2015

manfestival said:
Yeah but they also lost bulldong and have jokesters in place of real members

Are you saying you don't take MyNuts seriously?

Demoli · Jan 20, 2015

Baha said:
So Admiral Bulldog is playing with Tinker today?

Shouldn't be any different from a pub game then.

Monochromaticx · Jan 20, 2015

Demoli said:
Shouldn't be any different from a pub game then.

At least bulldogs pubs are fun to watch and has rocky music.

manfestival · Jan 20, 2015

Divvy said:
Are you saying you don't take MyNuts seriously?

Bulldog mynuts pls

Randdalf · Jan 20, 2015

Bulldong is standing in for TT it seems. I'm not sure if the official name system is working, because none of these players have the right name lol

Night_Hand · Jan 20, 2015

I just want to play Storm and Antimage all the time

Archie · Jan 20, 2015

Bayonetta skin for QoP when???

Gentle Rodriguez · Jan 20, 2015

Archie said:
Bayonetta skin for QoP when???

Zero Suit QoP

rakkadakka · Jan 20, 2015

Night_Hand said:
I just want to play Storm and Antimage all the time

Me too.

Once you go mobile you never go back.

TUSR · Jan 20, 2015

How'd that Tusk pick work out for Tinker?

Baha · Jan 20, 2015

TUSR said:
How'd that Tusk pick work out for Tinker?

They won game 1. Picked Tusk again for game 2 now.

arab · Jan 20, 2015

sleverfunk said:
Secret is already on china with a grill.

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