I needed a new chair anyway since my cheap Office Max chair had been shot for nearly a year. So I checked out these ones after seeing them on stream advertising and in a few tourneys. So far I really like the chair, but too bad it's sitting at my house now while I'm at college. And who couldn't pass up getting the C9 version?
Forgot to show off the cool new chair I bought a week or two ago.
I needed a new chair anyway since my cheap Office Max chair had been shot for nearly a year. So I checked out these ones after seeing them on stream advertising and in a few tourneys. So far I really like the chair, but too bad it's sitting at my house now while I'm at college. And who couldn't pass up getting the C9 version?
Forgot to show off the cool new chair I bought a week or two ago.
I needed a new chair anyway since my cheap Office Max chair had been shot for nearly a year. So I checked out these ones after seeing them on stream advertising and in a few tourneys. So far I really like the chair, but too bad it's sitting at my house now while I'm at college. And who couldn't pass up getting the C9 version?
Leshrac has gone totally unpicked in this tournament. I honestly don't understand this. The hero has only gotten buffs and I think a core leshrac that rushes aghs would be so strong in early fights.
He will be buffed 1 or 2 more times and be a pub terror by the end of the year. Lightning will slow for a full second, and they will give him 5 more starting int.
Forgot to show off the cool new chair I bought a week or two ago.
I needed a new chair anyway since my cheap Office Max chair had been shot for nearly a year. So I checked out these ones after seeing them on stream advertising and in a few tourneys. So far I really like the chair, but too bad it's sitting at my house now while I'm at college. And who couldn't pass up getting the C9 version?
Leshrac has gone totally unpicked in this tournament. I honestly don't understand this. The hero has only gotten buffs and I think a core leshrac that rushes aghs would be so strong in early fights.
The "bandwagon" sentiment around Secret makes zero sense to me. It's just a product of the instability of the professional scene.
If a bunch of NBA teams folded and a new team formed which was comprised not only of the best or 2nd best player in the league at each position but also some of people's favorite players personally, you wouldn't call the new fans bandwagoners. They're just fans of a new team which they have numerous reasons to be excited about.
It's a definitely an issue with trying to follow pro-Dota, but it'll never be like a traditional league sport, anyway. Most people follow a specific traditional league team for geographical or historical reasons, regardless of the players.
Even in the most stable of circumstances, the teams will always have turnover, so for what reasons are you following a team? Geographical factors have some meaning certainly, but there aren't really "home town" teams. Historical factors are going to be rare. The closest that Dota has to a Manchester United or a New York Yankees or a Montreal Canadiens is Na'Vi, but even that hasn't really been put to the test.
All that said, most sports see an uptick in team fandom when a team is doing well. It's just the nature of sports.
I think the build quality is pretty impressive. The problem with my cheap office store chair before was that it slowly turned into sitting on the hard wood/plastic beneath the fluff as the cushions gave out over its lifetime. But the great thing about this chair is that the cushions are pseudo-memory foam in the sense that they bounce back to their shape once you are done for the day, unlike the cheap chair that kind of wilts into a permanent shape of your butt. And these chairs can recline which is nothing I totally care about but is kind of fun. The base with the wheels is really heavy and made out of metal so there is no chance of reclining and tipping backwards at all. The frame within the chair is metal as well so it's super sturdy and reliable.
You are definitely right about them being expensive. The ones I looked at between Dx Racer and Maxnomic started at a price of $320 I think. These were the only two brands I looked at since they have been all I see on streams and stuff like that.
I actually drove to the Need for Seat location in Columbus, Ohio since I am somewhat close and they gave me a RIDICULOUS discount because they said I was nice. So I paid less for the C9 chair than it costs for the casual sport chair. That was unexpected as I just wanted to sit in some chairs and make sure the $400 chair I was purchasing was worth it!
You are definitely right about them being expensive. The ones I looked at between Dx Racer and Maxnomic started at a price of $320 I think. These were the only two brands I looked at since they have been all I see on streams and stuff like that.
I actually drove to the Need for Seat location in Columbus, Ohio since I am somewhat close and they gave me a RIDICULOUS discount because they said I was nice. So I paid less for the C9 chair than it costs for the casual sport chair. That was unexpected as I just wanted to sit in some chairs and make sure the $400 chair I was purchasing was worth it!
He will be buffed 1 or 2 more times and be a pub terror by the end of the year. Lightning will slow for a full second, and they will give him 5 more starting int.
Looking at the playoff brackets, it's not a correct double elimination bracket. Someone fucked up. The team coming from the winner's bracket to the grand final does not get a second chance should they lose in the grand final (but every other team in the winner's bracket that loses beforehand did) nor do they get any advantage against the lower bracket team in the grand final.
Looking at the playoff brackets, it's not a correct double elimination bracket. Someone fucked up. The team coming from the winner's bracket to the grand final does not get a second chance should they lose in the grand final (but every other team in the winner's bracket that loses beforehand did) nor do they get any advantage against the lower bracket team in the grand final.
Looking at the playoff brackets, it's not a correct double elimination bracket. Someone fucked up. The team coming from the winner's bracket to the grand final does not get a second chance should they lose in the grand final (but every other team in the winner's bracket that loses beforehand did) nor do they get any advantage against the lower bracket team in the grand final.
Dota's been doing variations of the double-elim bracket forever now. Sometimes they give them a one-game advantage, sometimes they're content to let the winners team rest for a day while they watch the people in losers duke it out, giving them the chance to see strats. Either way it's not a technical advantage but it's kind of an important one.
People like Bo5s for GFs, and the idea of having to play potential ten games in a row is probably something neither team wants, and there's no way people are going to watch that much dota in a row. There's no timeslot for it. They're not going to bet on extending the event another day, either. The day off/game advantage isn't ideal, but the nature of the game prevents them from really doing double elim.
Again, not ideal. But I don't think anyone "fucked up" or that it's "wrong and stupid."
Dota's been doing variations of the double-elim bracket forever now. Sometimes they give them a one-game advantage, sometimes they're content to let the winners team rest for a day while they watch the people in losers duke it out, giving them the chance to see strats. Either way it's not a technical advantage but it's kind of an important one.
People like Bo5s for GFs, and the idea of having to play potential ten games in a row is probably something neither team wants, and there's no way people are going to watch that much dota in a row. There's no timeslot for it. They're not going to bet on extending the event another day, either. The day off/game advantage isn't ideal, but the nature of the game prevents them from really doing double elim.
Again, not ideal. But I don't think anyone "fucked up" or that it's "wrong and stupid."
If they're not doing a proper double elim bracket, I'd actually be fine with at least replacing the reset with those two advantages coupled together. Starting 1-0 into the Bo5 and getting an extra day off. Or if there's no day off, make it a Bo7 and winner's bracket team starts 2-0. Not ideal, but at least then I feel that they'd respect the spirit of the double elim bracket.
I actually didn't think about the day off (too used to two-day events ), but the liquipedia entry doesn't mention if this is the case here. It does mention that there's no game advantage for the winner's bracket team. So yeah, I'm still criticising the format here. Winner's bracket team does not get the advantage they earned.
In most circumstances the winner's bracket is the vastly easier path to the finals. E.G. TI4 where you only had to win 2 matches and you're in the finals. Having to play like 3 less matches to get to the same place is plenty advantage as far as I'm concerned.
This. It's the goddamn finals just play a best of 5 and see who wins. The idea of playing a second match if the lower seed wins is straight up idiotic. Talk about a climactic moment folks.
oh man. blinding light in the rosh pit is the best thing ever (unless you are the medusa on the receiving end getting stuck on the ward cliff)
easiest rosh fight of my life.
the liquipedia entry doesn't mention if this is the case here. It does mention that there's no game advantage for the winner's bracket team. So yeah, I'm still criticising the format here. Winner's bracket team does not get the advantage they earned.
They play less, too, didn't think about that (ty Emerson). If they're doing it the same way TI4 did it (and it makes sense to run it this way), they'll do all the winners stuff on the first day, then do the lower-bracket on the second day. It'll take at least a day to run that many games (I think it took two/three days at TI?). So whoever's entering GF from winners will have a one or more days to rest. The only way they wouldn't is if DAC ran back and forth between brackets, which doesn't make sense to me.
We'd have to ask players what they think of the format, but I think not having to play as many matches and/or not being under pressure for one or more days while practicing/peeping strats would be enough of a bonus for winning two matches in a row. One game advantage I could take or leave. Not to mention it's a lot of guaranteed money for winning two games.
And I don't think "does the winner get the advantage they earned" is the proper standard for measuring the success of a double-elim. I think a better way to look at it would be "are teams incentivized to avoid losing and going to the losers bracket," and I think that by those terms the format is successful. Sure, one team may lose and get a chance to redeem themselves while the winner could lose once and be eliminated, but 3/4 times the team in winners has won the final at TIs (only iG have won from the lower bracket).
you can tell by my replies that my work got closed cuz of snow, huh
I don't think there's a game that runs this long and does double-elim, either. NFL/FIFA do single elim, right (pure guess on my part)? It would make more sense to use that since the games/setup times are so long. I think most fans (myself included) prefer double elim, and the format is a pretty good compromise that accommodates for the game.
And I'm a bigger FGC fan that steve dammit
I actually would have no idea how much fgc stuff he watches though
Forgot to show off the cool new chair I bought a week or two ago.
I needed a new chair anyway since my cheap Office Max chair had been shot for nearly a year. So I checked out these ones after seeing them on stream advertising and in a few tourneys. So far I really like the chair, but too bad it's sitting at my house now while I'm at college. And who couldn't pass up getting the C9 version?
And I don't think "does the winner get the advantage they earned" is the proper standard for measuring the success of a double-elim. I think a better way to look at it would be "are teams incentivized to avoid losing and going to the losers bracket," and I think that by those terms the format is successful. Sure, one team may lose and get a chance to redeem themselves while the winner could lose once and be eliminated, but 3/4 times the team in winners has won the final at TIs (only iG have won from the lower bracket).
you can tell by my replies that my work got closed cuz of snow, huh
Yup, I have a fundamental problem with the bolded. The team from the winner's bracket plays less games, true. But the team losing the winner's bracket final only plays one more series yet gets a second chance to play. I don't think that's fair, which means failure for a tournament format.
Also, I don't think a double elimination bracket is successful when it eliminates losing on purpose. If that were the main goal, you could just be running single elim. The ultimate goal of a double elim format compared to single elim is giving the best team the highest chance to win, as second chances and more games decrease variance. This variation of the standard double elim format fails to do so by denying that second chance to the winner's bracket winners without giving them enough of an advantage in return (something that could be easily accommodated within the system and scheduling without negative effects on the spectator's entertainment value).
Anyway, it's a topic that applies to a lot of other games as well. I remember the discussions about MLGs shitty tournament format in SC2 back in the day. :lol
I think if it was two bo3s winners would have too much of an advantage (since it would have to be on top of the all the advantages previously mentioned), but again I understand why others would disagree.
), but the liquipedia entry doesn't mention if this is the case here. It does mention that there's no game advantage for the winner's bracket team. So yeah, I'm still criticising the format here. Winner's bracket team does not get the advantage they earned.