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[Wok]

NS has wings. It makes sense.

drow frost arrows (no longer uam) + deso + skadi

+ lifesteal?

Basically, everything is possible, except lifesteal on AM and OD.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Holy shit, does that mean Deso on OD can be a thing now?

 

[waxinlyrical]

I wonder if Deso Mom PA is good...

 

[Dreams-Visions]

lol. Drow win rate for the last 6 months about to go up to 85%.

 

[waxinlyrical]

Rod of Atos seems like it'd be pretty good for Bristle.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Rod of Atos seems like it'd be pretty good for Bristle.

Oh god no. No escape.

 

[xuchu]

Man that sheever news is heartbreaking She has the strength to pull through though

 

[Reven]

Drow is so much more fun now. Deso and mask of madness worked well. Only problem is survivability.

 

[yagal]

Alliance just dropped their roster to have more flexibility before the lock date.

For the best

Bring back Akke

 

[shira]

For the best

Bring back Akke

Xcalibur is 9k - if he can play with Limmp and if Loda moves to support/offlane/retires they might be legit.

 

[inkls]

Holy shit, does that mean Deso on OD can be a thing now?

why would it be a thing tho? His orb is pure dmg.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Drow is so much more fun now. Deso and mask of madness worked well. Only problem is survivability.

farm an Aghs and Skadi :3333

why would it be a thing tho? His orb is pure dmg.

for when they bkb, silly!

 

[Sigismundo]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the deny EXP changes will be changed very quickly.

 

[LucidMomentum]

why would it be a thing tho? His orb is pure dmg.

Uh...

for when they bkb, silly!

...Yeah.

That was it. Not a brain fart.

Lol.

 

[pislit]

that medusa aghs is real? anyone tried it? seems like an OP mess.

 

[LucidMomentum]

that medusa aghs is real? anyone tried it? seems like an OP mess.

Witch Doctor and Axe Aghs also look fun.

 

[shira]

that medusa aghs is real? anyone tried it? seems like an OP mess.

I can see NP doing something with that. Aui jungle Alchemist gets EE an aghs/hyperstone while EE farms rapier.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK THESE PATCH NOTES

DESOLATOR NOT AN UAM WHAT WHAT WHAT

NO TP COOLDOWN ON PROPHET WHAT WHAT WHAT

TREE NERFED BECAUSE HE CAN'T BE IMBA FOR MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS WHAT WHAT WHAT

CAUSTIC FINALE FINAL(E) NOT AN UAM YES

Spoiler

is deso now a a must get item for drow?

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE SHEEVER HAS CANCER??????? Fuck this. This is saddening.

 

[J2d]

For the best

Bring back Akke

This made me think, what is your favourite player gaf? I'd give akke a shout though( still thinking), but I do appreciate a player like akke, no streaming presence, no drama or bullshit, a solid support with some great plays..

 

[LucidMomentum]

BDN
Kuroky
Black
Fear
Zai

<3

 

[waxinlyrical]

This made me think, what is your favourite player gaf? I'd give akke a shout though( still thinking), but I do appreciate a player like akke, no streaming presence, no drama or bullshit, a solid support with some great plays..

Got to be Envy. He's the person 16 year old me would have wanted to become.

 

[Technosteve]

Drows movement speed is going to be nerfed next patch

 

[Cellbomber]

Wait...isn't warlock summoning a golem on death at 20 way powerful? So you summon 2 with aghs, die and another is summoned?

 

[Monochromaticx]

Wait...isn't warlock summoning a golem on death at 20 way powerful? So you summon 2 with aghs, die and another is summoned?

Next level bloodstone strats
Wonder how it works with the morph aghs

 

[J2d]

Got to be Envy. He's the person 16 year old me would have wanted to become.

I guess somethings has spoiled me on his persona, the time he poured a glad of water on someone, can't remember, I always thought of him as a kind of dysfunctional dick with hilarious plays. Last years ti (?) video with him explaining his motivation or such was pretty good though.

 

[shira]

Wait...isn't warlock summoning a golem on death at 20 way powerful? So you summon 2 with aghs, die and another is summoned?

nah just one on death

 

[Maddrical]

Thoughts on slotting deso into AM's build? I feel like it would be pretty strong either before or after manta.

 

[Cellbomber]

nah just one on death

But still 3 in total if you casted your ult first (2) then died afterwards (1)?

Just tested it and it seems to work as I explained above. Even seems to do another stun as warlock dies.

 

[shira]

But still 3 in total if you casted your ult first (2) then died afterwards (1)?

Just tested it and it seems to work as I explained above. Even seems to do another stun as warlock dies.

Yeah the top reddit post is:
Go mid with gloves of haste and tangos
Rush Midas
Farm Aghs, Refresher, boots of travel and Bloodstone and get level 20
Ult, deny yourself, buyback, Refresh, BOT back to the fight, ult and deny yourself again
Congrats, you now have 6 golems and 9 reports.

 

[Sibylus]

Lifestealing, armor melting frost arrows is my kind of filthy.

 

[NormalFish]

people building atos and deso+skadi now. I was ahead of my time.

 

[Hylian7]

First 7.06 game I played, I hover on Drow and immediately some guy on my team goes "Are you going to pick Drow?" I said "I'm thinking about it." and he says "Well stop thinking about it, hero is trash". I disagreed with him about it, and picked it anyway. He went Legion Commander thinking he would have to carry me.

https://www.opendota.com/matches/3182760072

Windrunner and Pudge did open the game up to snowballing out of control, but man Lifesteal Deso Drow was awesome. Melting towers like no other, a Crystal Maiden walked by and I thought it was an illusion, I killed her in 3 hits. I'm really excited to see how people play Drow this patch.

I've only played two games today, but so far I am liking this patch better than the previous one. I won both games, and it definitely felt like it suited me more.

 

[Rorschach]

Mango Soul Ring!

 

[Hylian7]

Mango Soul Ring!

Yeah, it's a nice little "at least I don't need to take a piece of paper with me" thing. Although I can imagine it being nice to have that mango if you need to use it to prevent a death, you can buy another.

 

[Sigismundo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6bdlsc/icefrog_what_is_u_problem/

This week in "Reddit is bad at the video game"

 

[1.09]

The WR and LC both owned

 

[Kard8p3]

i forgot how good ns is

 

[Twookie]

1437 doin a Jimmy - NP.Rose -> TNC.Rose

 

[Monochromaticx]

Noooooo I want 1437 to be on the panel

 

[Hylian7]

There's a thread on gaming side about it, but:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1506703488/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I preordered one.

 

[Abilidebob]

There's a thread on gaming side about it, but:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1506703488/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I preordered one.

Looking good, price is great here too.

 

[Monochromaticx]

There's a thread on gaming side about it, but:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1506703488/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I preordered one.

wonder how much the artist will get from this.

 

[LucidMomentum]

So what's the Drow build?

Do you go safelane or Mid?

I want to try it tonight. <3 Drow.

*Edit* I guess I can check Hylian's match but more specific info would be dope.

Also my brother is loving the Double Down feature. 4.7K MMR, gained like 200 MMR yesterday lol.

 

[Hylian7]

So what's the Drow build?

Do you go safelane or Mid?

I want to try it tonight. <3 Drow.

*Edit* I guess I can check Hylian's match but more specific info would be dope.

Also my brother is loving the Double Down feature. 4.7K MMR, gained like 200 MMR yesterday lol.

I have to experiment with it more, but safelane was fine honestly. This patch does favor it a bit more. I can see mid being a viable option.

It's crazy how much this Deso change opens the floodgates for. I can do Deso Lifesteal (not the talent) PA for one thing.

Also why the hell was Caustic Finale still a UAM for so long? I felt like it should have had the UAM property removed years ago. I honestly never could see what would be incredibly OP with it.

 

[inkls]

You can run her mid, I'm just not a big fan of it. I just feel like if you want to run a drow you go in the safelane shielded by 1-2 supports and get a ranged mid that can create some chaos for you.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So what's the Drow build?

Do you go safelane or Mid?

I want to try it tonight. <3 Drow.

*Edit* I guess I can check Hylian's match but more specific info would be dope.

Also my brother is loving the Double Down feature. 4.7K MMR, gained like 200 MMR yesterday lol.

Drow is better mid. She needs level 6 more than maybe any other carry other than Slark. Safe lane is fine as long as she is protected long enough to get 6 without much issue, quickly. The sooner she gets to 6, the sooner she can pressure towers, rotate and move to the jungle, giving supports the lane for their leveling.

AQ --> Treads --> Dragon Lance --> whatever you want

You could go fast pike, maelstrom (later to combine with aghs for maximum clear speeds), shadow blade (for picking off and ratting), yasha (later into manta), deso. whatever you think will help you push and fight during the midgame. Your 3rd item should probably be BKB; 4th at the latest. Then whatever you think you need after that. MKB? Daed? Bfly? Skadi? Satanic? AC? Silver Edge? She's a build-a-bear these days.

Just look at what the enemy team wants or needs to do to win and pick your itemization accordingly.

Note: if you're dealing with an illusion carry like TB or PL or Naga, expect to go maelstrom + aghs. If the enemy team has multiple blink dagger buyers, expect to get a BKB earlier than you'd like. If they have some shit like Bristle, expect to get a Silver Edge.

 

[LiQuid!]

Would it make sense to have some condition (other than Alchemist) that allows aghs to stop taking up an inventory space? Like maybe if you buy a special upgrade (like BoT's level 2) that moves it to the buff slot and frees the inventory slot back up. Even if it costs as much as just buying a 2nd Aghs. Reason I wonder is cause I keep seeing all these new Aghs upgrades for core heroes that nobody in their right mind would ever buy because the item slot is so much more valuable than whatever the effect is (like the useless new Medusa Aghs). If there was a way to pay for it to not take a slot at least these things might find some use in super late games where cores are normally 6 slotted. It would still be rare to see cause the game seems to be getting faster and faster lately, but I think seeing a Medusa spend 8k on a buff-slotted Aghs in a 60 minute game would be way way less rare than seeing one ever purchased for 4k and having it use up a valuable item slot.

Is this crazy talk?

 

[inkls]

Drow is better mid. She needs level 6 more than maybe any other carry other than Slark. Safe lane is fine as long as she is protected long enough to get 6 without much issue, quickly. The sooner she gets to 6, the sooner she can pressure towers, rotate and move to the jungle, giving supports the lane for their leveling.

AQ --> Treads --> Dragon Lance --> whatever you want

You could go fast pike, maelstrom (later to combine with aghs for maximum clear speeds), shadow blade (for picking off and ratting), yasha (later into manta), deso. whatever you think will help you push and fight during the midgame. Your 3rd item should probably be BKB; 4th at the latest. Then whatever you think you need after that. MKB? Daed? Bfly? Skadi? Satanic? AC? Silver Edge? She's a build-a-bear these days.

Just look at what the enemy team wants or needs to do to win and pick your itemization accordingly.

Note: if you're dealing with an illusion carry like TB or PL or Naga, expect to go maelstrom + aghs. If the enemy team has multiple blink dagger buyers, expect to get a BKB earlier than you'd like. If they have some shit like Bristle, expect to get a Silver Edge.

She's pretty easy to jump mid though. Most of the time having a single support rotate and she's dead.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Would it make sense to have some condition (other than Alchemist) that allows aghs to stop taking up an inventory space? Like maybe if you buy a special upgrade (like BoT's level 2) that moves it to the buff slot and frees the inventory slot back up. Even if it costs as much as just buying a 2nd Aghs. Reason I wonder is cause I keep seeing all these new Aghs upgrades for core heroes that nobody in their right mind would ever buy because the item slot is so much more valuable than whatever the effect is (like the useless new Medusa Aghs). If there was a way to pay for it to not take a slot at least these things might find some use in super late games where cores are normally 6 slotted. It would still be rare to see cause the game seems to be getting faster and faster lately, but I think seeing a Medusa spend 8k on a buff-slotted Aghs in a 60 minute game would be way way less rare than seeing one ever purchased for 4k and having it use up a valuable item slot.

Is this crazy talk?

I certainly wouldn't mind. For example, one of my itemization frustrations with Drow is that in having to use a slot for Aghs (in those games) and a slot for BKB and Pike (2 defensive items) + boots....you're down to 2 slots for offensive itemization. Kinda hurts Drow. If you want a Satanic too, your offensive output is pretty weak. Never mind new, valid options like Skadi and Desolator.

Then again, I suppose it's the trade-off for being able to rapid-clear waves.

Anyway, yea it would be cool if I could have that 1 slot back. But I understand if not.

 

[inkls]

But dota is balanced around items being slot efficient. Removing that restriction with aghs other than it being situational with having an alch feels like its going against that idea.